Current Events > There should be more studies or reports done on the 90+ million who did NOT vote

(+) Yeah! (+)

Like, are they genuinely okay with everything that is going down, knowing that if they bothered to get out of their chair and voted for Kamela, none of it would be happening?

Cause that is a large group of people who did not vote, even though the future of the country was on a referendum.

These people are completely checked out or extremely cynical. It was always a huge risk, more for Harris than Trump.

If you didn't vote (Assuming you legally could), you're okay with everything that's going on right now.

Otherwise, you would have tried to stop it.

As the so-called self proclaimed defender of democracy and freedom in the world a lot of jurisdictions in the United States actually and intentionally make the voting process unpleasant and sometimes difficult so its not all too surprising that many choose not vote.

I know you are okay with it you fucking chud.

Geiki_Ganger posted...

Like, are they genuinely okay with everything that is going down, knowing that if they bothered to get out of their chair and voted for Kamela, none of it would be happening?

I 100% guarantee you if I had gotten out of my chair and voted, Trump still would have been elected.

I do not have the power to swing the state by myself.

I also 100% guarantee you if the other however many non-voters in my state voted, the state still would have gone red.

The problem is that the American people have been trained and conditioned to believe that government is just a bloated bureaucracy that doesn't get anything meaningful done and if it does, it's because both sides wanted to do it.

Americans legitimately believe that elections are the illusion of choice and that everything that's happening would happen regardless of their participation.

It's a difference of principle.

My uncle was like, "nah I don't feel like voting bc California is in the bag for Harris"

Which is true

But him bitching about the outcome all the time? There's a point where I just have to make light of the fact he didn't at all participate in the process.

The biggest problem is voting literally doesnt matter in certain states. Only the swing states matter.

Nemu posted...

The biggest problem is voting literally doesnt matter in certain states. Only the swing states matter.

This. This is a big factor.

KaZooo posted...

It's a difference of principle.

My uncle was like, "nah I don't feel like voting bc California is in the bag for Harris"

Which is true

But him bitching about the outcome all the time? There's a point where I just have to make light of the fact he didn't at all participate in the process.

I really hate that type of thinking. A blue state is blue until it isn't. Even if you live in deep blue or deep red state, still vote.

Look at New Jersey, it's a blue state on tbe verge of purpling, which I can probably guess a lot of blue voters thought, it's blue no need to vote.

Relm_Arrowny_87 posted...

This. This is a big factor.

Problem is, the only way to do away with the EC, and institute national ranked choice voting, is to elect a bunch of progressives into power. But we couldn't do that because of the EC and lack of ranked choice.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The problem is that the American people have been trained and conditioned to believe that government is just a bloated bureaucracy that doesn't get anything meaningful done and if it does, it's because both sides wanted to do it.

Americans legitimately believe that elections have no real consequences and that everything that's happening would happen regardless.

This, this the dominant opinion among normies and people who keep up with politics have an incredibly hard time grappling with that reality. People don't have the time, the training, or motivation to keep up with politics. It's an exhausting thing to do and for the most part, it doesn't improve your life, it just gives you anxiety. And people are incredibly unlikely to do so if they think the cake is already baked, the decisions have already been made, and few things really trickle down and affect their lives either way.

Even if they do trickle down, they genuinely don't believe they have control over what happens. They either sincerely believe that or believe it's safer/more esteemed to be seen believing that. Rather than being a political loony that doesn't affect anything or an ineffectual radical. They genuinely believe those are the other possibilities.

Nemu posted...

The biggest problem is voting literally doesnt matter in certain states. Only the swing states matter.

A lot of it is this.

90 million didnt vote, but how many of those non-voters lived in a state that wouldve swung the election?

Its not necessarily that they dont care about who wins, but lets say youre a red voter in Tennessee, you staying home meant nothing.

You seem to be very interested in American voters recently despite being Canadian and despite being a heavy Trump supporter in the past.

Sup with that, TC?

legendary_zell posted...

Even if they do trickle down, they genuinely don't believe they have control over what happens. They either sincerely believe that or believe it's safer/more esteemed to be seen believing that. Rather than being a political loony that doesn't affect anything or an ineffectual radical. They genuinely believe those are the other possibilities.

The sad thing is, youd think that thought process would motivate people to participate in more local elections, where their vote can actually make a difference, yet local and primary election numbers dwarf those of Presidential elections

bigblu89 posted...

The sad thing is, youd think that thought process would motivate people to participate in more local elections, where their vote can actually make a difference, yet local and primary election numbers dwarf those of Presidential elections

Our political conversations and media are increasingly nationalized, people are trained to only have political opinions on national subjects or even view national things as political. Meanwhile, their local government could be a den of corruption or or could have things that could be readily improved, and they have no idea. (This definitely applies to me, as interested as I am in politics, I have no idea what's going on where I actually live).

Instead of people getting in where they could actually have some effect, it's only the true believers and the most corrupt at the local level. One of the many consequences of a decline in local media and local community not oriented around shopping.

legendary_zell posted...

Our political conversations and media are increasingly nationalized, people are trained to only have political opinions on national subjects or even view national things as political. Meanwhile, their local government could be a den of corruption or or could have things that could be readily improved, and they have no idea. (This definitely applies to me, as interested as I am in politics, I have no idea what's going on where I actually live).

Instead of people getting in where they could actually have some effect, it's only the true believers and the most corrupt at the local level. One of the many consequences of a decline in local media and local community not oriented around shopping.

Which is wild to me, considering your local representation is BY FAR the easiest to access. I've had multiple face to face and phone conversations with my local County executives, District congressmen, and Mayor.

The only thing that might have shifted would be the popular vote, and that's only assuming that there was no Muskrat electoral fraud going on in the first place (which at this point I feel seems rather likely, not that any consequences for it would happen anyway if we found out there was)

And the popular vote isn't what matters anyway because our system is already busted as hell even without people like Muskrat potentially getting their grubby hands on it.

I really didn't pay attention to politics until Trump won. I assume most who don't vote are the same. They don't pay attention at all.

Can we let go of the it doesnt matter because I dont live in a swing state

It did matter. Trump won the popular vote, and that is something he and his followers can hang their hats on.

Its part of the reason so many organizations and politicians and corporations are so easily bending the knee and kissing the ring, because officially Trump got more votes than Harris, more people in this country got up to show support for Trump than did for Harris.

If Trump won the electoral but lost the popular vote the narrative would the people didnt want him, the narrative now is they wanted him more than Harris.

Politicians who would fight against Trump are less likely because on paper there is little support for it, people who stayed home showed most of the country is okay with Trump.

When dealing with the rest of the world the fact that Trump won the popular vote means to the world America wanted this, if Trump only got the electoral college, at least the world would know he isnt a real president. But now he is just as legit as Obama.

There is a lot more, but the point is simple.

The electoral college needs to go away but regardless every vote counts in some way.

Voting doesnt always help, but not voting can still hurt.

There's a weird mentality where people somehow believe that if everyone voted, the outcome would be different. Basic statistics principles would disagree with you. America wanted this because many of us are dumb or evil. That's the sad reality

After 2004, 2020, and 2024; Im really not convinced high turnout significantly helps Democrats

hmnut7 posted...

Can we let go of the it doesnt matter because I dont live in a swing state

It did matter. Trump won the popular vote, and that is something he and his followers can hang their hats on.

Its part of the reason so many organizations and politicians and corporations are so easily bending the knee and kissing the ring, because officially Trump got more votes than Harris, more people in this country got up to show support for Trump than did for Harris.

If Trump won the electoral but lost the popular vote the narrative would the people didnt want him, the narrative now is they wanted him more than Harris.

Politicians who would fight against Trump are less likely because on paper there is little support for it, people who stayed home showed most of the country is okay with Trump.

When dealing with the rest of the world the fact that Trump won the popular vote means to the world America wanted this, if Trump only got the electoral college, at least the world would know he isnt a real president. But now he is just as legit as Obama.

There is a lot more, but the point is simple.

The electoral college needs to go away but regardless every vote counts in some way.

Voting doesnt always help, but not voting can still hurt.

Interesting.

Pitbuller_26 posted...

I really hate that type of thinking. A blue state is blue until it isn't. Even if you live in deep blue or deep red state, still vote.

Look at New Jersey, it's a blue state on tbe verge of purpling, which I can probably guess a lot of blue voters thought, it's blue no need to vote.

I think the point is that if California was ever in play for Republicans then its already over.

I can afford to vote third party in every election because Republicans havent seriously contested my state since Reagan.

why would you assume every single non-voters wouldve voted for Kamala to start with when DT won the popular vote and over 90 percent of all us counties shifted red this election?

samsungsalt posted...

why would you assume every single non-voters wouldve voted for Kamala to start with when DT won the popular vote and over 90 percent of all us counties shifted red this election?

What's more, he did best among the less-engaged portions of the electorate. Those non-voters are almost certainly more likely than the voters to have gone for Trump, if they'd had to show up.

Justin2Krelian posted...

After 2004, 2020, and 2024; Im really not convinced high turnout significantly helps Democrats

It does. The people who sat out in 2024 were people who voted for Biden in 2020.