Current Events > Titles Considered Woke Have to Be Extremely Popular Now in Order to Survive

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Due to the current political climate as well as the amount of anti-woke content fodder being generated by right-wing influencers, the only way woke games and shows can survive now is if they manage to surpass all expectations and become too successful for the far right to collectively turn against. In other words, any titles that feature some form of DEI need to be as massively popular as X-Men '97 and Kingdom Come: Deliverance II in order to succeed and thrive. If a work identified as woke is shown to be of mediocre quality, it will inevitably be used as part of the anti-woke content mill. Now, is this fair? Hardly, but I don't see us being able to stop people like Asmongold or Smash JT from influencing the masses. And like it or not, the culture wars DOES have a pronounced effect on how people vote.

can't wait to play marcus fenix clone number 5 and master chief clone number 9

Maybe we'll get Half Life 3?

Entertainment will be very boring in about three years.

SmashJT was having a complete meltdown in the comments of a much smaller YouTuber laughing at him doubling down on his foolish legal slapfight with Alyssa Mercante in addition to trying to get himself sued by Alana Pierce, just mentioning that since it was hilarious to watch last night.

Yeah, this is how I feel as well. Media is going to go back to reflecting what the far right wants to see, as they are extremely vocal about anything that they seem "woke" or "DEI". So works featuring prominent women, minority, or LGBT characters may not even go into production.

Hell, for all we know, they may reinstate the Hays Code.

the real problem with DEI in certain games is it was more a corporate mandate than an artistic vision

Baldur's Gate 3 let you make whatever you want and yet the people who hate DEI still played and loved Baldur's Gate 3 because it was a product of passion and not some boardroom trying to figure out the currents of modern consciousness

and those companies with boardrooms like that we see are the first to let people go when they think the current changed direction

creativerealms posted...

Entertainment will be very boring in about three years.

I think greedy corporations are to blame for lowering the quality standards of AAA games by using DEI as a scapegoat rather than a quality enhancer. Plus, it's clear that creators need to focus less on picking fights with fans and focus more on what needs improving based on the suggestions of good faith respondents.

Oh, I almost forgot that now that DEI has been allegedly defeated, the anti-woke crowd has split into at least two factions as of the time of me writing this and theyre currently fighting each other to the death (figuratively speaking) over whether gooner content should be allowed in games at all or if the industry should go back to the nineties, but not the actual nineties, rather a caricature of it with regards to extreme censorship.

I think showing the general populace game player counts/concurrent peaks has been unfathomably bad for discourse and the industry

Not to say it's not useful data, but like...when the niche indie arts project that normally peaks at like 1000 people if it's lucky and would have been forgotten about in a week because it just wasn't *good* gets dragged into the limelight and used as an example by the stupidest people imaginable because it has purple hair and questionable writing

Trying to find the right words to phrase it. These games aren't failing because of "woke". They fail because they ultimately aren't good games (for reasons ranging from bad mechanics, bad narrative pacing, or lack of polish, to modern "so that just happened" type writing that's like pulling teeth after 40 minutes)

And it's frustrating because you could scrub all the "woke" out and the game would *still* be bad. But since none of these grifters *play* games that never comes up in discourse over "I'm sad I can't goon to this" or "how dare there be black people"

Humble_Novice posted...

lowering the quality standards of AAA games by using DEI as a scapegoat rather than a quality enhancer.

what do you mean by this? they actually said DEI lowered the quality?

I don't recall this ever happening but maybe you mean a game is poorly received and they say that is because gamers are sexist etc?

It doesn't surprise me that a generally liberal group like artists and writers want diversity in their output. The idea that the have to be forced to do that by corporate diktat seems counter intuitive and the result of propaganda.

If anything, it will be the removal of diversity that will come as the result of corporate insistence. Most artists are fine with minority characters.

Voidgolem posted...

Trying to find the right words to phrase it. These games aren't failing because of "woke". They fail because they ultimately aren't good games (for reasons ranging from bad mechanics, bad narrative pacing, or lack of polish, to modern "so that just happened" type writing that's like pulling teeth after 40 minutes)

correct

the right term is soulless corporate slop

the game is bad because that is all it is and it has DEI in for the same reasons

DEI didn't cause it to be bad but the fact that the board room is inept and force it to be a bad game, they also wanted DEI in it because that was the current trend, just as microtransactions and always online was the current trend

WingsOfGood posted...

correct

the right term is soulless corporate slop

the game is bad because that is all it is and it has DEI in for the same reasons

DEI didn't cause it to be bad but the fact that the board room is inept and force it to be a bad game, they also wanted DEI in it because that was the current trend, just as microtransactions and always online was the current trend

It's not always the boardroom that is responsible for terrible games.

Sometimes the creators will just be a bit shit.

WingsOfGood posted...

correct

the right term is soulless corporate slop

the game is bad because that is all it is and it has DEI in for the same reasons

DEI didn't cause it to be bad but the fact that the board room is inept and force it to be a bad game, they also wanted DEI in it because that was the current trend, just as microtransactions and always online was the current trend

Well, I wouldn't go that far. Most of the examples I can think of weren't big enough to have "a board room".

(This, naturally, also seems to lead into "weren't big enough to playtest their game")

This does make the examples that *are* big stand out more, mind. There was no reason for Forspoken or KTJL to launch in the condition they were in, to pick the 2 usual suspects.

WingsOfGood posted...

Baldur's Gate 3 let you make whatever you want and yet the people who hate DEI still played and loved Baldur's Gate 3 because it was a product of passion and not some boardroom trying to figure out the currents of modern consciousness

Don't forget Metaphor ReFantazio, which got a nomination for game of the year at the previous VGA. Racism is a major part of the game's mythos and plot.

Voidgolem posted...

Most of the examples I can think of weren't big enough to have "a board room".

usually the DEI games complained about are from the biggest western corporations not some small indie

EA
Activision
Ubisoft
Square-Enix (mainly Forspoken)
etc

as such after relieving supposed DEI programs they will continue to produce slop

Cynrascal posted...

Don't forget Metaphor ReFantazio, which got a nomination for game of the year at the previous VGA. Racism is a major part of the game's mythos and plot.

Ah I remember when chuds kept whining on reddit about bringing politics into the discussion for Metaphor. When the whole fucking game is about politics.

Solar_Crimson posted...

Yeah, this is how I feel as well. Media is going to go back to reflecting what the far right wants to see, as they are extremely vocal about anything that they seem "woke" or "DEI". So works featuring prominent women, minority, or LGBT characters may not even go into production.

Hell, for all we know, they may reinstate the Hays Code.

The way I see it, we will likely see a number of works that emphasize more on gratuitous sex appeal and less on diverse body types. Also, issues involving the LGBTQ+ community will largely be pushed aside or made more subtle as to not attract the wrath of anti-woke gamers. If a gay, lesbian, or bisexual character does appear, expect them to be attractive and gender-conforming.

WingsOfGood posted...

the real problem with DEI in certain games is it was more a corporate mandate than an artistic vision

Baldur's Gate 3 let you make whatever you want and yet the people who hate DEI still played and loved Baldur's Gate 3 because it was a product of passion and not some boardroom trying to figure out the currents of modern consciousness

and those companies with boardrooms like that we see are the first to let people go when they think the current changed direction

When you compare that game to Veilguard, it's clear that the former was made with a lot of love and passion. Plus, it helps to actually create a character that many gamers can actually empathize with and look up to. From what I understand, the character of Taash didn't exactly please a lot of fans due to the way they were written.

Agent_Stroud posted...

Oh, I almost forgot that now that DEI has been allegedly defeated, the anti-woke crowd has split into at least two factions as of the time of me writing this and theyre currently fighting each other to the death (figuratively speaking) over whether gooner content should be allowed in games at all or if the industry should go back to the nineties, but not the actual nineties, rather a caricature of it with regards to extreme censorship.

This is something that woke creators can try to take advantage of by shifting to more sex-positive works that would attract more gooners to their side. Since woke has a reputation for rejecting sex appeal, why not turn against that trend?

I generally don't play western Tripell Aaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy games anyways.

the topic name reads like an Onion article (no offense, humble)

too bad can't post Tifa copypasta anymore

Humble_Novice posted...

This is something that woke creators can try to take advantage of by shifting to more sex-positive works that would attract more gooners to their side.

That's ironically Nikke. Hiding behind all the jiggling breasts and butts, there are actually themes and discussions on the nikkes gaining equal civil rights as humans and there being a pushback about that for years in both the main plot, mini events, and character side stories.

So Metroid Prime 4 is delayed until a Democrat is in the White House?

I'm not sure the griftercel crowd knows samus is a woman Metroid will probably be fine when it releases

In 2032

WingsOfGood posted...

too bad can't post Tifa copypasta anymore

Of course you can. It was always a lie. So keep lying.

Cynrascal posted...

That's ironically Nikke. Hiding behind all the jiggling breasts and butts, there are actually themes and discussions on the nikkes gaining equal civil rights as humans and there being a pushback about that for years in both the main plot, mini events, and character side stories.

Yeah, I'm thinking that games or shows with aspects of DEI can thrive if it's done in a way that doesn't alienate normies.

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I don't have any problems with those types of games making it to the West, but the prudes on the far left and far right certainly do.

creativerealms posted...

Of course you can. It was always a lie. So keep lying.

?

prove it, you post the Tifa copypasta, or are you gonna lie?

Cynrascal posted...

That's ironically Nikke. Hiding behind all the jiggling breasts and butts, there are actually themes and discussions on the nikkes gaining equal civil rights as humans and there being a pushback about that for years in both the main plot, mini events, and character side stories.

Yeah, I gave it a try to this game not too long ago.

The lore of this game is surprisingly big and the worldbuilding is pretty damn impressive.

I think a lot of "anti-woke" people would easily shut up about the stuff when there are shameless fanservice on it. Hell, I'm pretty sure the entire anti-DEI and anti-Woke started around the "they uglified/censored the women" talking point.

The only problem with woke are the people who continue to misuse the term. It never stopped meaning what it actually means. Playing along with dishonest idiots instead of correcting them while theyre in the act of misusing it only helped them further spread confusion.

Good films that become popular will only survive now? Shouldn't that be the standard in the first place?

WingsOfGood posted...

the real problem with DEI in certain games is it was more a corporate mandate than an artistic vision

Baldur's Gate 3 let you make whatever you want and yet the people who hate DEI still played and loved Baldur's Gate 3 because it was a product of passion and not some boardroom trying to figure out the currents of modern consciousness

and those companies with boardrooms like that we see are the first to let people go when they think the current changed direction

uh no lots of media called "woke" or "DEI" was made with passion

the only reason the grifters backed down on baldurs gate 3 was because it was such a huge hit they absolutely tried to attack it

creativerealms posted...

Entertainment will be very boring in about three years.

It's not already?

AceMos posted...

uh no lots of media called "woke" or "DEI" was made with passion

the only reason the grifters backed down on baldurs gate 3 was because it was such a huge hit they absolutely tried to attack it

ya, People tend to forget just how many games the Idiots have attacked as woke over the last few years since once it comes out and is good they quickly shut up and try to downplay their past stupidity and shout out the big failures

AceMos posted...

the only reason the grifters backed down on baldurs gate 3 was because it was such a huge hit they absolutely tried to attack it

This is what I'm saying. Woke games have no choice but to be super good in order to survive the current political climate. If it's anything less than stellar like Veilguard or Dustborn, it's only going to serve as content mill slop for far-right gamers. You want to deny them that by making a masterpiece that is both undeniably good and an awesome representation of diversity.

Humble_Novice posted...

This is what I'm saying. Woke games have no choice but to be super good in order to survive the current political climate. If it's anything less than stellar like Veilguard or Dustborn, it's only going to serve as content mill slop for far-right gamers. You want to deny them that by making a masterpiece that is both undeniably good and an awesome representation of diversity.

To be fair, Dustborn looked like a caricature of the liberal left made by a MAGA.

I mean, you literally use cancel culture as a weapon and "trigger". C'mon now.

012yArthur0 posted...

To be fair, Dustborn looked like a caricature of the liberal left made by a MAGA.

I mean, you literally use cancel culture as a weapon and "trigger". C'mon now.

Yeah I actually thought it was a parody making fun of them, but someone said it was a 100% serious ResetEra user who made it, so I guess somehow that is what it is.

ssjevot posted...

Yeah I actually thought it was a parody making fun of them, but someone said it was a 100% serious ResetEra user who made it, so I guess somehow that is what it is.

Yeah. The game was essentially made to be farmed by streamers.

The hard part is to know that there was actual government investment in it. Which makes all the more ironic knowing the game is very pro-immigration and Europe is shifting very hard into anti-immigration stance.

It isn't right to compare Veilguard failure to Dustborn. Veilguard had many reasons to fail and some of them were beyond the control of the devs, but Dustborn was basically the entire stereotype of the liberal millennial made into a game without a shred of self-awareness.

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That's my thought. At most they can try to legislate "woke" games out of existence, but I feel like video games in general have had a long and pretty successful career of hiding progressive material where casually-searching idiots won't easily find it.

I do wonder what they'll do about foreign products that go more obvious, such as Bridget in Guilty Gear or Juniper or A in Xenoblade.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

I do wonder what they'll do about foreign products that go more obvious, such as Bridget in Guilty Gear or Juniper or A in Xenoblade.

Eastern games generally have generally better received. What I noticed that most of the "woke" contempt is mostly targeted at the western industry.

012yArthur0 posted...

Eastern games generally have generally better received. What I noticed that most of the "woke" contempt is mostly targeted at the western industry.

I mean both those examples had people screaming and bitching, hell with Bridget the anti woke asshats straight out started attacking and insulting Daisuke and for xenoblade 3 there are still people who refuse to acknowledge Junipers gender identity

not to mention they did try and rage at the paper Mario TTYD remake last year over Vivian with even the infamous libs of tik tok making a post about it

Raiden2909 posted...

I mean both those examples had people screaming and bitching, hell with Bridget the anti woke asshats straight out started attacking and insulting Daisuke and for xenoblade 3 there are still people who refuse to acknowledge Junipers gender identity

not to mention they did try and rage at the paper Mario TTYD remake last year over Vivian with even the infamous libs of tik tok making a post about it

I knew that there was controversy with Bridget but I didn't know the extent.

I thought the controversy was mild compared to Taash from Veilguard

012yArthur0 posted...

I knew that there was controversy with Bridget but I didn't know the extent.

I thought the controversy was mild compared to Taash from Veilguard

It was mostly the size and popularities of the games In questions. guilty gear for example while great is still a niche fighting game, and fighting games in general are a niche genre, Dragon age though has had a lot of past media hype built around it on top of being a BioWare game which also builds the hype

hell most of the big name fighting games for the last few years have had people screaming woke(SF6, tekken 8, MK 1) but it usually doesnt hit it big because for the most part the fighting game community shuts that shit down, it really doesnt seem to tolerate a lot of the anti woke BS

Raiden2909 posted...

hell most of the big name fighting games for the last few years have had people screaming woke(SF6, tekken 8, MK 1) but it usually doesnt hit it big because for the most part the fighting game community shuts that shit down, it really doesnt seem to tolerate a lot of the anti woke BS

I thought most of the "woke" complaints is about the censorships over characters like removing cleavages.

And FGC is one of the most diverse cast of players around. One of the most known fighting game champions is SonicFox, a black gay furry.

FGC is more occupied bitching about game design and balance to care about this stuff.

ssjevot posted...

Yeah I actually thought it was a parody making fun of them, but someone said it was a 100% serious ResetEra user who made it, so I guess somehow that is what it is.

Apparently, a lot of normies and conservatives view ResetEra as the epitome of modern leftism.