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Kalk 02/25/25 10:20:16 AM #51:	Agent_Stroud posted... I know a certain loud mouthed culture vulture who is known for saying Star Wars is dead in every single YouTube video he craps out onto his cringey channel is going to be gloating about this. Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. --- f(O_o)f <cite>Kalk posted [p:984162407] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>Agent_Stroud posted... </cite><quote>I know a certain loud mouthed culture vulture who is known for saying Star Wars is dead in every single YouTube video he craps out onto his cringey channel is going to be gloating about this. </quote>Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
realnifty1 02/25/25 10:21:11 AM #52:	How about a new Trilogy where we send Rey and Finn back through time to just after RotJ with a goal of preventing everything in the Sequel Trilogy from happening. And we can pull in all the Filoni and EU characters over time at that point. <cite>realnifty1 posted [p:984162413] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>How about a new Trilogy where we send Rey and Finn back through time to just after RotJ with a goal of preventing everything in the Sequel Trilogy from happening. And we can pull in all the Filoni and EU characters over time at that point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
012yArthur0 02/25/25 10:24:35 AM #53:	mehmeh1 posted... Eeeeeeeeeh I don't think they will get vindicated by time or anything. A big reason the PT's have gotten somewhat salvaged is the worldbuilding, the "so bad its good" qualities/memes, and stuff like clone wars doing an amazing job with the era. The sequels don't really have much of anything for those and end up being forgettable. Also, I think the games. I remember that SW had a lot of games and some of the banger ones was in the prequels. Battlefront II managed to get both the PT and OT on the game, for example. I always said I'm one of the weird ones that grew up more with SW games than the movies. --- Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained. ~~ Gilgamesh <cite>012yArthur0 posted [p:984162452] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>mehmeh1 posted... </cite><quote>Eeeeeeeeeh I don't think they will get vindicated by time or anything. A big reason the PT's have gotten somewhat salvaged is the worldbuilding, the "so bad its good" qualities/memes, and stuff like clone wars doing an amazing job with the era. The sequels don't really have much of anything for those and end up being forgettable. </quote>Also, I think the games. I remember that SW had a lot of games and some of the banger ones was in the prequels.Battlefront II managed to get both the PT and OT on the game, for example.I always said I'm one of the weird ones that grew up more with SW games than the movies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SAlYAN 02/25/25 10:31:53 AM #54:	012yArthur0 posted... Also, I think the games. I remember that SW had a lot of games and some of the banger ones was in the prequels. Battlefront II managed to get both the PT and OT on the game, for example. I always said I'm one of the weird ones that grew up more with SW games than the movies. The games are a big one. The PT era had a shit load of excellent video games that colored people's opinions of the era as a whole. Even games not associated with the PT, like KotOR, still get lumped in with the general era. The ST has basically none of that. New Battlefronts with no decent story and stained by a shitty lootbox fiasco. Fortnite crossovers explaining Palpatine's return. Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor are nice; but they're still just samey "young order 66 survivor vs the inquisitors" crap we've gotten a thousand times by now. --- Doesn't take a lot of brains to be a good fighter. <cite>SAlYAN posted [p:984162520] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>012yArthur0 posted... </cite><quote>Also, I think the games. I remember that SW had a lot of games and some of the banger ones was in the prequels.Battlefront II managed to get both the PT and OT on the game, for example.I always said I'm one of the weird ones that grew up more with SW games than the movies.</quote>The games are a big one. The PT era had a shit load of excellent video games that colored people's opinions of the era as a whole. Even games not associated with the PT, like KotOR, still get lumped in with the general era.The ST has basically none of that. New Battlefronts with no decent story and stained by a shitty lootbox fiasco. Fortnite crossovers explaining Palpatine's return. Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor are nice; but they're still just samey "young order 66 survivor vs the inquisitors" crap we've gotten a thousand times by now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
012yArthur0 02/25/25 11:13:09 AM #55:	SAlYAN posted... The games are a big one. The PT era had a shit load of excellent video games that colored people's opinions of the era as a whole. Even games not associated with the PT, like KotOR, still get lumped in with the general era. The ST has basically none of that. New Battlefronts with no decent story and stained by a shitty lootbox fiasco. Fortnite crossovers explaining Palpatine's return. Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor are nice; but they're still just samey "young order 66 survivor vs the inquisitors" crap we've gotten a thousand times by now. I guess thats a thing too. There was Star Wars Eclipse that we know nothing of the game so far and Outlaws that was a failure and an internet meme for some time. I don't think SW is dead like people think but it lost its sacred cow status. It is just another franchise now. --- Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained. ~~ Gilgamesh <cite>012yArthur0 posted [p:984162924] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>SAlYAN posted... </cite><quote>The games are a big one. The PT era had a shit load of excellent video games that colored people's opinions of the era as a whole. Even games not associated with the PT, like KotOR, still get lumped in with the general era.The ST has basically none of that. New Battlefronts with no decent story and stained by a shitty lootbox fiasco. Fortnite crossovers explaining Palpatine's return. Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor are nice; but they're still just samey "young order 66 survivor vs the inquisitors" crap we've gotten a thousand times by now.</quote>I guess thats a thing too. There was Star Wars Eclipse that we know nothing of the game so far and Outlaws that was a failure and an internet meme for some time.I don't think SW is dead like people think but it lost its sacred cow status. It is just another franchise now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 02/25/25 11:26:08 AM #56:	I doubt anything gets fixed with her departure. I'm not saying she's blameless in what happened with the franchise, but I think the general weakening of the Star Wars brand was much more of a group effort than any one person. And I think the corporate forces behind that group effort will still very much be present. Star Wars needs a bit of a creative reset. They need to step back from launching any new saga and just let the franchise breathe a bit. It's one of the most recognizable franchises on earth and a favorite among a lot of talented filmmakers who grew up with it. Try to get some of them to come in pitch the story they want to tell and how they want to tell it. With the only major oversight being tweaks to keep things canon. Stop trying focus on making things they think people will want and just let talented people make good shit. It will work itself out. And it's noy a hard sell either. A lot of people will jump at a chance to work on Star Wars. Also stop ballooning the shit out of all these budgets. Just because it's Star Wars doesn't mean everything needs to be hundreds of millions of dollars. You get a lot more room for success when you don't need to recoup $150 million dollars for an 8 episode show. --- 1 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:984163052] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>I doubt anything gets fixed with her departure. I'm not saying she's blameless in what happened with the franchise, but I think the general weakening of the Star Wars brand was much more of a group effort than any one person. And I think the corporate forces behind that group effort will still very much be present.Star Wars needs a bit of a creative reset. They need to step back from launching any new saga and just let the franchise breathe a bit. It's one of the most recognizable franchises on earth and a favorite among a lot of talented filmmakers who grew up with it. Try to get some of them to come in pitch the story they want to tell and how they want to tell it. With the only major oversight being tweaks to keep things canon. Stop trying focus on making things they think people will want and just let talented people make good shit. It will work itself out. And it's noy a hard sell either. A lot of people will jump at a chance to work on Star Wars.Also stop ballooning the shit out of all these budgets. Just because it's Star Wars doesn't mean everything needs to be hundreds of millions of dollars. You get a lot more room for success when you don't need to recoup $150 million dollars for an 8 episode show.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AceMos 02/25/25 11:38:31 AM #58:	Compsognathus posted... Also stop ballooning the shit out of all these budgets. Just because it's Star Wars doesn't mean everything needs to be hundreds of millions of dollars. You get a lot more room for success when you don't need to recoup $150 million dollars for an 8 episode show. this is why they should have stuck to the CGI cartoons for none film related content --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:984163178] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>Compsognathus posted... </cite><quote>Also stop ballooning the shit out of all these budgets. Just because it's Star Wars doesn't mean everything needs to be hundreds of millions of dollars. You get a lot more room for success when you don't need to recoup $150 million dollars for an 8 episode show.</quote>this is why they should have stuck to the CGI cartoons for none film related content</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
012yArthur0 02/25/25 11:44:08 AM #59:	Compsognathus posted... Also stop ballooning the shit out of all these budgets. Just because it's Star Wars doesn't mean everything needs to be hundreds of millions of dollars. You get a lot more room for success when you don't need to recoup $150 million dollars for an 8 episode show. This is a broader problem for Disney and not only SW. MCU movies had some ridiculous budgets too. It got to the point that I wouldn't be surprised if there was some embezzlement or money laundering scheme going on because holy shit. --- Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained. ~~ Gilgamesh <cite>012yArthur0 posted [p:984163234] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>Compsognathus posted... </cite><quote>Also stop ballooning the shit out of all these budgets. Just because it's Star Wars doesn't mean everything needs to be hundreds of millions of dollars. You get a lot more room for success when you don't need to recoup $150 million dollars for an 8 episode show.</quote>This is a broader problem for Disney and not only SW. MCU movies had some ridiculous budgets too. It got to the point that I wouldn't be surprised if there was some embezzlement or money laundering scheme going on because holy shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 02/25/25 11:47:53 AM #60:	012yArthur0 posted... This is a broader problem for Disney and not only SW. MCU movies had some ridiculous budgets too. It got to the point that I wouldn't be surprised if there was some embezzlement or money laundering scheme going on because holy shit. i doubt its embezzlement rather it just seems to be a flex from disney its far to wide spread to be embezzlement --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:984163269] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>012yArthur0 posted... </cite><quote>This is a broader problem for Disney and not only SW. MCU movies had some ridiculous budgets too. It got to the point that I wouldn't be surprised if there was some embezzlement or money laundering scheme going on because holy shit.</quote>i doubt its embezzlement rather it just seems to be a flex from disney its far to wide spread to be embezzlement </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boomgetchopped3 02/25/25 11:52:33 AM #61:	Compsognathus posted... I doubt anything gets fixed with her departure. I'm not saying she's blameless in what happened with the franchise, but I think the general weakening of the Star Wars brand was much more of a group effort than any one person. And I think the corporate forces behind that group effort will still very much be present. This 100% Star Wars needs a bit of a creative reset. They need to step back from launching any new saga and just let the franchise breathe a bit. It's one of the most recognizable franchises on earth and a favorite among a lot of talented filmmakers who grew up with it. Try to get some of them to come in pitch the story they want to tell and how they want to tell it. With the only major oversight being tweaks to keep things canon. Stop trying focus on making things they think people will want and just let talented people make good shit. It will work itself out. And it's noy a hard sell either. A lot of people will jump at a chance to work on Star Wars. The problem here is who are they pitching to. Id like Disney to relinquish control to an accomplished filmmaker committee to head talent recruitment. Also stop ballooning the shit out of all these budgets. Just because it's Star Wars doesn't mean everything needs to be hundreds of millions of dollars. You get a lot more room for success when you don't need to recoup $150 million dollars for an 8 episode show. I dont know how this happens tbh. With an old franchise you have lots of people wetting their beaks but that doesnt explain why a tv show that heavily uses LED backdrops costs so much --- When Cameron Was in Egypt's Land <cite>boomgetchopped3 posted [p:984163323] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>Compsognathus posted... </cite><quote>I doubt anything gets fixed with her departure. I'm not saying she's blameless in what happened with the franchise, but I think the general weakening of the Star Wars brand was much more of a group effort than any one person. And I think the corporate forces behind that group effort will still very much be present.</quote>This 100%<quote>Star Wars needs a bit of a creative reset. They need to step back from launching any new saga and just let the franchise breathe a bit. It's one of the most recognizable franchises on earth and a favorite among a lot of talented filmmakers who grew up with it. Try to get some of them to come in pitch the story they want to tell and how they want to tell it. With the only major oversight being tweaks to keep things canon. Stop trying focus on making things they think people will want and just let talented people make good shit. It will work itself out. And it's noy a hard sell either. A lot of people will jump at a chance to work on Star Wars.</quote>The problem here is who are they pitching to. Id like Disney to relinquish control to an accomplished filmmaker committee to head talent recruitment.<quote>Also stop ballooning the shit out of all these budgets. Just because it's Star Wars doesn't mean everything needs to be hundreds of millions of dollars. You get a lot more room for success when you don't need to recoup $150 million dollars for an 8 episode show.</quote>I dont know how this happens tbh. With an old franchise you have lots of people wetting their beaks but that doesnt explain why a tv show that heavily uses LED backdrops costs so much </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReiRei89 02/25/25 11:55:37 AM #62:	ScazarMeltex posted... Fucking lol, no. The EU, despite having a few gems, is almost overwhelmingly complete trash. Mostly because it to had no real guidance or vision other than "THE EMPIRE RETURNS AGAIN AND AGAIN" and then just a series of "GIANT GALAXY ENDING CRISIS MUST BE STOPPED". Not saying that Disney stuff was great, but I will take it over the old EU any day of the week. Agreed on the old EU. Aside for like the OG Thrawn trilogy it's pretty craptastic. I much prefer the High Republic books in the new canon tbh. --- FGO US:973,940,202 JP:410,404,215 Resident Europa fangirl <cite>ReiRei89 posted [p:984163358] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite><quote>Fucking lol, no. The EU, despite having a few gems, is almost overwhelmingly complete trash. Mostly because it to had no real guidance or vision other than "THE EMPIRE RETURNS AGAIN AND AGAIN" and then just a series of "GIANT GALAXY ENDING CRISIS MUST BE STOPPED".Not saying that Disney stuff was great, but I will take it over the old EU any day of the week.</quote>Agreed on the old EU. Aside for like the OG Thrawn trilogy it's pretty craptastic. I much prefer the High Republic books in the new canon tbh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 02/25/25 12:23:25 PM #63:	Are we really defending the ST now to fight back against the chuds? Cmon now it was trash --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:984163661] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>Are we really defending the ST now to fight back against the chuds?Cmon now it was trash</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hayame_Zero 02/25/25 12:28:10 PM #64:	refmon posted... Are we really defending the ST now to fight back against the chuds? Cmon now it was trash The ST was trash, but Kennedy still did better for SW than Lucas had been. --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame_Zero posted [p:984163701] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>refmon posted... </cite><quote>Are we really defending the ST now to fight back against the chuds?Cmon now it was trash</quote>The ST was trash, but Kennedy still did better for SW than Lucas had been.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 02/25/25 12:28:47 PM #65:	refmon posted... Are we really defending the ST now to fight back against the chuds? Cmon now it was trash force awakens was fine last jedi is amazing rise of the skywalker sucks entirely because disney bent the knee to the haters --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:984163704] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>refmon posted... </cite><quote>Are we really defending the ST now to fight back against the chuds?Cmon now it was trash</quote>force awakens was finelast jedi is amazingrise of the skywalker sucks entirely because disney bent the knee to the haters </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
apocalyptic_4 02/25/25 12:32:35 PM #66:	Disney lacks the creatively to move the franchise past George Lucas ideas and the sequel trilogy exposes this blatantly. This is a step in the right direction but I have no faith in modern day Disney to create anything good with this ip. <cite>apocalyptic_4 posted [p:984163738] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>Disney lacks the creatively to move the franchise past George Lucas ideas and the sequel trilogy exposes this blatantly.This is a step in the right direction but I have no faith in modern day Disney to create anything good with this ip. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 02/25/25 12:34:12 PM #67:	apocalyptic_4 posted... Disney lacks the creatively to move the franchise past George Lucas ideas and the sequel trilogy exposes this blatantly. This is a step in the right direction but I have no faith in modern day Disney to create anything good with this ip. the last jedi tried to move the series away from the past fans threw a tantrum because they dont actually want the franchise to move forward they want it to orbit the OT forever --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:984163755] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>apocalyptic_4 posted... </cite><quote>Disney lacks the creatively to move the franchise past George Lucas ideas and the sequel trilogy exposes this blatantly.This is a step in the right direction but I have no faith in modern day Disney to create anything good with this ip.</quote>the last jedi tried to move the series away from the pastfans threw a tantrum because they dont actually want the franchise to move forwardthey want it to orbit the OT forever </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
012yArthur0 02/25/25 12:50:18 PM #68:	AceMos posted... the last jedi tried to move the series away from the past fans threw a tantrum because they dont actually want the franchise to move forward they want it to orbit the OT forever Or it was just skill issue on their part. They tried the same with High Republic with comics and The Acolyte and that also got nuked hard. --- Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained. ~~ Gilgamesh <cite>012yArthur0 posted [p:984163903] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>the last jedi tried to move the series away from the pastfans threw a tantrum because they dont actually want the franchise to move forwardthey want it to orbit the OT forever</quote>Or it was just skill issue on their part.They tried the same with High Republic with comics and The Acolyte and that also got nuked hard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SAlYAN 02/25/25 12:55:15 PM #69:	AceMos posted... fans threw a tantrum because they dont actually want the franchise to move forward Don't be reductive. Fans have been perfectly OK with the franchise "moving forward" for a long time. Plenty of stories that have nothing to do with the OT have been received extremely well. The WAY you move forward matters. Miles Morales is perfectly well received as a successor to Peter Parker. If Peter Parker went out by blowing up a building while shouting "Allahu Akbar," Miles would be much less well received, because fans wouldn't appreciate the disrespectful way Peter was suddenly shelved. Fans not receiving the story of TLJ well doesn't mean they aren't open to anything. --- Doesn't take a lot of brains to be a good fighter. <cite>SAlYAN posted [p:984163946] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>fans threw a tantrum because they dont actually want the franchise to move forward</quote>Don't be reductive. Fans have been perfectly OK with the franchise "moving forward" for a long time. Plenty of stories that have nothing to do with the OT have been received extremely well.The WAY you move forward matters. Miles Morales is perfectly well received as a successor to Peter Parker. If Peter Parker went out by blowing up a building while shouting "Allahu Akbar," Miles would be much less well received, because fans wouldn't appreciate the disrespectful way Peter was suddenly shelved. Fans not receiving the story of TLJ well doesn't mean they aren't open to anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
012yArthur0 02/25/25 12:57:24 PM #70:	SAlYAN posted... Don't be reductive. Fans have been perfectly OK with the franchise "moving forward" for a long time. Plenty of stories that have nothing to do with the OT have been received extremely well. Yeah, the case is that Disney failed. It wasn't the idea, it was the execution. Having the brilliant "plan" at changing directors that it clearly seemed at odds with each other ideas destroying and rebuilding concepts on the sandbox that was ST was asinine. --- Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained. ~~ Gilgamesh <cite>012yArthur0 posted [p:984163965] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>SAlYAN posted... </cite><quote>Don't be reductive. Fans have been perfectly OK with the franchise "moving forward" for a long time. Plenty of stories that have nothing to do with the OT have been received extremely well.</quote>Yeah, the case is that Disney failed. It wasn't the idea, it was the execution.Having the brilliant "plan" at changing directors that it clearly seemed at odds with each other ideas destroying and rebuilding concepts on the sandbox that was ST was asinine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 02/25/25 12:59:58 PM #71:	SAlYAN posted... Don't be reductive. Fans have been perfectly OK with the franchise "moving forward" for a long time. Plenty of stories that have nothing to do with the OT have been received extremely well. what stories move forward that have no connection to the OT --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:984163992] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>SAlYAN posted... </cite><quote>Don't be reductive. Fans have been perfectly OK with the franchise "moving forward" for a long time. Plenty of stories that have nothing to do with the OT have been received extremely well.</quote>what stories move forward that have no connection to the OT</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlveinFencer 02/25/25 1:19:03 PM #72:	SAlYAN posted... The WAY you move forward matters. Miles Morales is perfectly well received as a successor to Peter Parker. If Peter Parker went out by blowing up a building while shouting "Allahu Akbar," Miles would be much less well received, because fans wouldn't appreciate the disrespectful way Peter was suddenly shelved. Fans not receiving the story of TLJ well doesn't mean they aren't open to anything. ...I can't help but feel like you only learned about Miles through the Spider-Verse movies and weren't actually there when Peter died and Miles was introduced. --- Boku wa Dhaos wo taosu! This board is a daycare with no adults.-HoshinoKatta <cite>AlveinFencer posted [p:984164230] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>SAlYAN posted... </cite><quote>The WAY you move forward matters. Miles Morales is perfectly well received as a successor to Peter Parker. If Peter Parker went out by blowing up a building while shouting "Allahu Akbar," Miles would be much less well received, because fans wouldn't appreciate the disrespectful way Peter was suddenly shelved. Fans not receiving the story of TLJ well doesn't mean they aren't open to anything.</quote>...I can't help but feel like you only learned about Miles through the Spider-Verse movies and weren't actually there when Peter died and Miles was introduced.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancing_cactuar 02/25/25 1:19:52 PM #73:	AceMos posted... the last jedi tried to move the series away from the past fans threw a tantrum because they dont actually want the franchise to move forward they want it to orbit the OT forever Funny, because the worst parts of Last Jedi like anything that happened on the casino planet and Finn being cemented as a joke character when he had the most potential in the entire sequel trilogy have literally nothing to do with the original trilogy. AceMos posted... force awakens was fine Force Awakens is mediocre at best and that's if you pretend that it's not a sequel to Return of the Jedi and pretend it's a movie that is not followed up by Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker. --- PS5s have liquid metal tech like the T-1000- AceCombatX All games, movies, albums, and books are fads- Darkfire12 <cite>dancing_cactuar posted [p:984164237] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>the last jedi tried to move the series away from the pastfans threw a tantrum because they dont actually want the franchise to move forwardthey want it to orbit the OT forever</quote>Funny, because the worst parts of Last Jedi like anything that happened on the casino planet and Finn being cemented as a joke character when he had the most potential in the entire sequel trilogy have literally nothing to do with the original trilogy.AceMos posted... </cite><quote>force awakens was fine</quote>Force Awakens is mediocre at best and that's if you pretend that it's not a sequel to Return of the Jedi and pretend it's a movie that is not followed up by Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 02/25/25 1:25:14 PM #74:	AceMos posted... the last jedi tried to move the series away from the past fans threw a tantrum because they dont actually want the franchise to move forward they want it to orbit the OT forever Maybe some people think the chuds suck but tLJ is still a bad movie for many reasons. god, set it a hundred years in the future for all I care, but it's kinda shitty to expect people to NOT want the story to revolve around the actual story. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:984164309] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>the last jedi tried to move the series away from the pastfans threw a tantrum because they dont actually want the franchise to move forwardthey want it to orbit the OT forever</quote>Maybe some people think the chuds suck but tLJ is still a bad movie for many reasons.god, set it a hundred years in the future for all I care, but it's kinda shitty to expect people to NOT want the story to revolve around the actual story. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SAlYAN 02/25/25 1:42:30 PM #75:	AceMos posted... what stories move forward that have no connection to the OT The Old Republic era has nothing to do with the OT, and is one of the most universally beloved parts of star wars lore. KotOR 2 even manages to be heavily deconstructive of the mythos the same way TLJ tried to be, and is universally beloved for it. The High Republic has by and large separated itself from existing stories, and is also very well received. And if you're solely looking at "moving forward" chronologically: The Mandalorian managed to be beloved for a solid two seasons, before Disney Corporate decided to shit the bed with Book of Boba Fett and Season 3. Skeleton Crew pulled in weak numbers due to a variety of factors, but reviewed extremely positively. There were quite a few stories in the EU that did the same, from the universally-loved Thrawn Trilogy, to a few of the storiesbset thousands of years in the future. It can be done, and has been done. People just didn't appreciate the way TLJ tried to do it. "All the people from your favorite story as a kid actually kinda sucked, they all died sad and alone, and everything they built and fought for was meaningless" isn't exactly a great sell to anyone other than contrarian "high media" enthusiasts. Like, that kind of story works for the PT because it's a tragedy. The OT wasn't supposed to be a tragedy, but was retconned into one after the fact. And people generally don't appreciate that. --- Doesn't take a lot of brains to be a good fighter. <cite>SAlYAN posted [p:984164498] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>what stories move forward that have no connection to the OT</quote>The Old Republic era has nothing to do with the OT, and is one of the most universally beloved parts of star wars lore. KotOR 2 even manages to be heavily deconstructive of the mythos the same way TLJ tried to be, and is universally beloved for it.The High Republic has by and large separated itself from existing stories, and is also very well received.And if you're solely looking at "moving forward" chronologically:The Mandalorian managed to be beloved for a solid two seasons, before Disney Corporate decided to shit the bed with Book of Boba Fett and Season 3.Skeleton Crew pulled in weak numbers due to a variety of factors, but reviewed extremely positively.There were quite a few stories in the EU that did the same, from the universally-loved Thrawn Trilogy, to a few of the storiesbset thousands of years in the future.It can be done, and has been done. People just didn't appreciate the way TLJ tried to do it. "All the people from your favorite story as a kid actually kinda sucked, they all died sad and alone, and everything they built and fought for was meaningless" isn't exactly a great sell to anyone other than contrarian "high media" enthusiasts. Like, that kind of story works for the PT because it's a tragedy. The OT wasn't supposed to be a tragedy, but was retconned into one after the fact. And people generally don't appreciate that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
012yArthur0 02/25/25 1:43:51 PM #76:	LightSnake posted... Maybe some people think the chuds suck but tLJ is still a bad movie for many reasons. god, set it a hundred years in the future for all I care, but it's kinda shitty to expect people to NOT want the story to revolve around the actual story. The idea that the empire somehow managed to undo everything made me believe they actually wanted to do that. But they also wanted the old cast so they have to make the empire somehow undoing everything in a very small amount of time. They wanted to have the cake and eat it too. --- Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained. ~~ Gilgamesh <cite>012yArthur0 posted [p:984164512] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>Maybe some people think the chuds suck but tLJ is still a bad movie for many reasons.god, set it a hundred years in the future for all I care, but it's kinda shitty to expect people to NOT want the story to revolve around the actual story.</quote>The idea that the empire somehow managed to undo everything made me believe they actually wanted to do that.But they also wanted the old cast so they have to make the empire somehow undoing everything in a very small amount of time. They wanted to have the cake and eat it too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McmadnessV3 02/25/25 1:52:32 PM #77:	I think blaming all of star wars problems on her is unfair. --- Thank you for taking the time to read this sig. This sig loves you. <cite>McmadnessV3 posted [p:984164595] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>I think blaming all of star wars problems on her is unfair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Enclave 02/25/25 1:54:05 PM #78:	The thing about Force Awakens is that it was a bit dumb but it did a good job setting up the trilogy, it had a lot of mystery boxes to play with. Last Jedi of course comes along and burns them all to ash and then there was practically nowhere to go with the last movie so we got "somehow Palpatine returned". The only movie in that trilogy that wasn't complete trash was Force Awakens and how good it would have been depended largely on how good the trilogy as a whole was so in the end Force Awakens was garbage too. That plan of having different directors for each movie was absolutely idiotic. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. <cite>Enclave posted [p:984164609] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>The thing about Force Awakens is that it was a bit dumb but it did a good job setting up the trilogy, it had a lot of mystery boxes to play with. Last Jedi of course comes along and burns them all to ash and then there was practically nowhere to go with the last movie so we got "somehow Palpatine returned".The only movie in that trilogy that wasn't complete trash was Force Awakens and how good it would have been depended largely on how good the trilogy as a whole was so in the end Force Awakens was garbage too.That plan of having different directors for each movie was absolutely idiotic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nocturnal_traveler 02/25/25 1:54:14 PM #79:	Not even George Lucas was able to placate the Star Wars fanbase. They're a toxic, divisive bunch. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- <cite>nocturnal_traveler posted [p:984164612] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>Not even George Lucas was able to placate the Star Wars fanbase. They're a toxic, divisive bunch.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
012yArthur0 02/25/25 1:55:24 PM #80:	nocturnal_traveler posted... Not even George Lucas was able to placate the Star Wars fanbase. They're a toxic, divisive bunch. But they generally went to watch and buy stuff, I don't see this happening anymore. Hardcore fans generally bitch and moan about everything but they stay through the end. When they are leaving the ship is when things are getting bad. --- Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained. ~~ Gilgamesh <cite>012yArthur0 posted [p:984164625] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>nocturnal_traveler posted... </cite><quote>Not even George Lucas was able to placate the Star Wars fanbase. They're a toxic, divisive bunch.</quote>But they generally went to watch and buy stuff, I don't see this happening anymore.Hardcore fans generally bitch and moan about everything but they stay through the end. When they are leaving the ship is when things are getting bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nocturnal_traveler 02/25/25 2:01:32 PM #81:	012yArthur0 posted... But they generally went to watch and buy stuff, I don't see this happening anymore. Hardcore fans generally bitch and moan about everything but they stay through the end. When they are leaving the ship is when things are getting bad. True, but back then we didn't have right wingers politicizing everything. I'm afraid Star Wars might be permanently tarnished. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- <cite>nocturnal_traveler posted [p:984164684] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>012yArthur0 posted... </cite><quote>But they generally went to watch and buy stuff, I don't see this happening anymore.Hardcore fans generally bitch and moan about everything but they stay through the end. When they are leaving the ship is when things are getting bad.</quote>True, but back then we didn't have right wingers politicizing everything. I'm afraid Star Wars might be permanently tarnished.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancing_cactuar 02/25/25 2:07:05 PM #82:	SAlYAN posted... "All the people from your favorite story as a kid actually kinda sucked, they all died sad and alone, and everything they built and fought for was meaningless" isn't exactly a great sell to anyone other than contrarian "high media" enthusiasts. Like, that kind of story works for the PT because it's a tragedy. The OT wasn't supposed to be a tragedy, but was retconned into one after the fact. And people generally don't appreciate that. Next to nobody likes when the happy ending is overwritten, and it's astonishing how many fucking times it's been done and both executives and contrarians still don't get it. Nobody liked how Alien 3 started with Newt and Hicks dead, or how Resurrections undoes the end of 3 Nobody liked how Terminator Dark Fate undid everything Kyle Reese, Sarah Connor, and John did in T1 and 2 Nobody liked Clerks III having Dante be fucking miserable because his wife and kid died Nobody liked how Indy was a bitter divorced old man in Dial of Destiny because his son died in 'Nam Nobody liked Halloween Resurrection as a follow up to H20 And we're getting that fucking Avatar series that basically goes "Korra fucked over the world" which sounds like shit. It's almost always terrible, stop fucking doing it. --- PS5s have liquid metal tech like the T-1000- AceCombatX All games, movies, albums, and books are fads- Darkfire12 <cite>dancing_cactuar posted [p:984164738] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>SAlYAN posted... </cite><quote>"All the people from your favorite story as a kid actually kinda sucked, they all died sad and alone, and everything they built and fought for was meaningless" isn't exactly a great sell to anyone other than contrarian "high media" enthusiasts. Like, that kind of story works for the PT because it's a tragedy. The OT wasn't supposed to be a tragedy, but was retconned into one after the fact. And people generally don't appreciate that.</quote>Next to nobody likes when the happy ending is overwritten, and it's astonishing how many fucking times it's been done and both executives and contrarians still don't get it.Nobody liked how Alien 3 started with Newt and Hicks dead, or how Resurrections undoes the end of 3Nobody liked how Terminator Dark Fate undid everything Kyle Reese, Sarah Connor, and John did in T1 and 2Nobody liked Clerks III having Dante be fucking miserable because his wife and kid diedNobody liked how Indy was a bitter divorced old man in Dial of Destiny because his son died in 'NamNobody liked Halloween Resurrection as a follow up to H20And we're getting that fucking Avatar series that basically goes "Korra fucked over the world" which sounds like shit.It's almost always terrible, stop fucking doing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
012yArthur0 02/25/25 2:17:31 PM #83:	nocturnal_traveler posted... True, but back then we didn't have right wingers politicizing everything. I'm afraid Star Wars might be permanently tarnished. I think it is also part that trading old fans for new fans can be risky business. You can try to get a new audience but it isn't a guaranteed success, and it may alienate the old fanbase that was still investing on stuff. Now that even the casuals aren't watching the slop anymore, they might try to win the old fans back but it might be too late. Which is why I'm skeptical about "the kids are watching SW" because if they were things wouldn't be cancelled. --- Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained. ~~ Gilgamesh <cite>012yArthur0 posted [p:984164835] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>nocturnal_traveler posted... </cite><quote>True, but back then we didn't have right wingers politicizing everything. I'm afraid Star Wars might be permanently tarnished.</quote>I think it is also part that trading old fans for new fans can be risky business. You can try to get a new audience but it isn't a guaranteed success, and it may alienate the old fanbase that was still investing on stuff. Now that even the casuals aren't watching the slop anymore, they might try to win the old fans back but it might be too late. Which is why I'm skeptical about "the kids are watching SW" because if they were things wouldn't be cancelled.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AgentCoulson 02/25/25 2:18:20 PM #84:	012yArthur0 posted... The idea that the empire somehow managed to undo everything made me believe they actually wanted to do that. But they also wanted the old cast so they have to make the empire somehow undoing everything in a very small amount of time. They wanted to have the cake and eat it too. Crazy part is that they could have still had the old cast in a movie set a hundred years after the OT. Luke and Leia could've showed up as force ghosts. Wookies are extremely long lived so Chewie could still be around. Then R2 and Threepio are droids... The only character that wouldn't make sense appearing is Han. --- I haven't set a signature for the message boards yet <cite>AgentCoulson posted [p:984164846] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>012yArthur0 posted... </cite><quote>The idea that the empire somehow managed to undo everything made me believe they actually wanted to do that.But they also wanted the old cast so they have to make the empire somehow undoing everything in a very small amount of time. They wanted to have the cake and eat it too.</quote>Crazy part is that they could have still had the old cast in a movie set a hundred years after the OT. Luke and Leia could've showed up as force ghosts. Wookies are extremely long lived so Chewie could still be around. Then R2 and Threepio are droids... The only character that wouldn't make sense appearing is Han.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuerillaGorilla 02/25/25 2:26:48 PM #85:	As good as Filoni is he can shit out some whoppers too like with the Ahsoka show. And surely he's been involved in the slate of garbage that has been pumped for the last several years. Not sure if it'd be best to have him running the show either. --- NNID: GuerillaGorilla <cite>GuerillaGorilla posted [p:984164943] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>As good as Filoni is he can shit out some whoppers too like with the Ahsoka show. And surely he's been involved in the slate of garbage that has been pumped for the last several years. Not sure if it'd be best to have him running the show either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 02/25/25 2:30:06 PM #86:	SAlYAN posted... The issue is the sequels. The issue was always the sequels. It literally doesn't matter what theyvput out from this point, the sequels have tarnished everything. If you don't like the last jedi, every new movie, story, or project inevitably leads to the character assassination of Luke Skywalker. If you're someone who doesn't care about that, then still, every project still inevitably builds to "somehow, Palpatine returned" and the mess that was RISE of Skywalker. The Mandalorian careened into setting up ST plot points. So did Bad Batch. Ahsoka and Thrawn are both destined to literally nor matter, because it's all building to "somehow, Palpatine returned." Like, none of it matters. And nobody, literally nobody, is even remotely excited about a Rey Skywalker New Jedi Order movie, because the sequels gave us no reason to give a shit about it. Theyve dumped a TON of resources into trying to salvage the ST the same way TCW and the EU salvaged the prequels. Damn near every single story has "project Necromancer" lurking in it, amd its not fun, not cool, and not even particularly good setup; it's just a constant reminder that the ultimate payoff for what we're watching is three bad movies. It has not worked. And until they can shake the albatross around their neck that is the ST, the reactions are going to remain the same. Disney Star Wars is at its best when it keeps the old continuity out of arm's reach. Plugging in tangentially, but not trying to alter it. Early Mandalorian, Andor, and Skeleton Crew got this. The only reason Skeleton Crew tanked was because fans are burnt out and have lost faith in the franchise; if it had come out alongside Mando S1, it would have fared much better. I think you are right in regards to the sequels. Having no vision or basic plan for what would happen to them + planning to have a different director on a per movie basis (third director jumped ship though) was a recipe for disaster. And it was the movies that people cared about the most, and The Last Jedi managed to destroy a lot of goodwill there (the mentioned character assassination of Luke)...+ that led to Palps coming back as the lack of planning left them with no clear ST finale villain. Additionally, after the failure and aftermath of the Sequel Trilogy, I wish after the fact Disney left most of the old continuity alone if they couldn't do it justice. Pick a timeframe sufficiently far from it and tell what you want to tell. Succeed or fail, it wouldn't taint either the PT or OT like say the Obi Wan show did, which I feel made Episode 4 make less sense in retrospect. I also don't like how several of the shows won't shut up about Project Necromancer. Just wish we can get to the part where Thrawn is fought (which should be good) and then the shows can try to explain why Ahsoka wasn't around in the Sequel Trilogy (being somewhat sarcastic on that last part). 012yArthur0 posted... The idea that the empire somehow managed to undo everything made me believe they actually wanted to do that. But they also wanted the old cast so they have to make the empire somehow undoing everything in a very small amount of time. They wanted to have the cake and eat it too. Although it wouldn't make sense with the Sequel Trilogy, something like the OG Thrawn Trilogy could be done in a similar fashion to the Clones Wars animation show. Still keep the OG cast and just get different voice actors for those who either don't sound like themselves anymore or are no longer with us. Recasting voice actors also doesn't seem to cause much controversy considering Force Unleashed 2 got away with recasting Leia's voice actor as Natalie Portman (who you know, was Padme's actor). Otherwise, if you really want live action, you got CGI recasts like Luke got in the Mandoverse (which I thought was well done compared to Rogue One's CGI stuff like Tarkin/Leia) or just complete recasts altogether (Han in the Solo movie). --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:984164975] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>SAlYAN posted... </cite><quote>The issue is the sequels.The issue was always the sequels.It literally doesn't matter what theyvput out from this point, the sequels have tarnished everything. If you don't like the last jedi, every new movie, story, or project inevitably leads to the character assassination of Luke Skywalker. If you're someone who doesn't care about that, then still, every project still inevitably builds to "somehow, Palpatine returned" and the mess that was RISE of Skywalker.The Mandalorian careened into setting up ST plot points. So did Bad Batch. Ahsoka and Thrawn are both destined to literally nor matter, because it's all building to "somehow, Palpatine returned." Like, none of it matters.And nobody, literally nobody, is even remotely excited about a Rey Skywalker New Jedi Order movie, because the sequels gave us no reason to give a shit about it.Theyve dumped a TON of resources into trying to salvage the ST the same way TCW and the EU salvaged the prequels. Damn near every single story has "project Necromancer" lurking in it, amd its not fun, not cool, and not even particularly good setup; it's just a constant reminder that the ultimate payoff for what we're watching is three bad movies. It has not worked. And until they can shake the albatross around their neck that is the ST, the reactions are going to remain the same.Disney Star Wars is at its best when it keeps the old continuity out of arm's reach. Plugging in tangentially, but not trying to alter it. Early Mandalorian, Andor, and Skeleton Crew got this. The only reason Skeleton Crew tanked was because fans are burnt out and have lost faith in the franchise; if it had come out alongside Mando S1, it would have fared much better.</quote>I think you are right in regards to the sequels. Having no vision or basic plan for what would happen to them + planning to have a different director on a per movie basis (third director jumped ship though) was a recipe for disaster. And it was the movies that people cared about the most, and The Last Jedi managed to destroy a lot of goodwill there (the mentioned character assassination of Luke)...+ that led to Palps coming back as the lack of planning left them with no clear ST finale villain.Additionally, after the failure and aftermath of the Sequel Trilogy, I wish after the fact Disney left most of the old continuity alone if they couldn't do it justice. Pick a timeframe sufficiently far from it and tell what you want to tell. Succeed or fail, it wouldn't taint either the PT or OT like say the Obi Wan show did, which I feel made Episode 4 make less sense in retrospect.I also don't like how several of the shows won't shut up about Project Necromancer. Just wish we can get to the part where Thrawn is fought (which should be good) and then the shows can try to explain why Ahsoka wasn't around in the Sequel Trilogy (being somewhat sarcastic on that last part).012yArthur0 posted... </cite><quote>The idea that the empire somehow managed to undo everything made me believe they actually wanted to do that.But they also wanted the old cast so they have to make the empire somehow undoing everything in a very small amount of time. They wanted to have the cake and eat it too.</quote>Although it wouldn't make sense with the Sequel Trilogy, something like the OG Thrawn Trilogy could be done in a similar fashion to the Clones Wars animation show. Still keep the OG cast and just get different voice actors for those who either don't sound like themselves anymore or are no longer with us. Recasting voice actors also doesn't seem to cause much controversy considering Force Unleashed 2 got away with recasting Leia's voice actor as Natalie Portman (who you know, was Padme's actor).Otherwise, if you really want live action, you got CGI recasts like Luke got in the Mandoverse (which I thought was well done compared to Rogue One's CGI stuff like Tarkin/Leia) or just complete recasts altogether (Han in the Solo movie).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TMOG 02/25/25 2:33:48 PM #87:	The problem with the ST was that it tried to cling way too tightly to the OT characters and plot points. We could have had a brand new story with a new cast in a new part of space, but no, they brought the original trilogy characters back to steal spotlight, made sure half the new cast was related to the old cast instead of having their own identities, and repeated story beats from the OT verbatim. Instead of something brand new and exciting, we just got another chosen one from a desert planet, another droid being hunted, another Death Star, another war between the Empire vs. Rebellion (but with new names this time), another jaded mentor living as a hermit, another Jedi vs. Sith showdown. It was afraid to be new and different, and suffered for that. Say what you will about the PT but at least it tried to tell its own story. <cite>TMOG posted [p:984165017] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>The problem with the ST was that it tried to cling way too tightly to the OT characters and plot points. We could have had a brand new story with a new cast in a new part of space, but no, they brought the original trilogy characters back to steal spotlight, made sure half the new cast was related to the old cast instead of having their own identities, and repeated story beats from the OT verbatim. Instead of something brand new and exciting, we just got another chosen one from a desert planet, another droid being hunted, another Death Star, another war between the Empire vs. Rebellion (but with new names this time), another jaded mentor living as a hermit, another Jedi vs. Sith showdown.It was afraid to be new and different, and suffered for that. Say what you will about the PT but at least it tried to tell its own story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbyrk 02/25/25 2:40:29 PM #88:	SAlYAN posted... The Mandalorian managed to be beloved for a solid two seasons, before Disney Corporate decided to shit the bed with Book of Boba Fett and Season 3. To be fair, S2 wasn't as good as S1, and most of the issues with S2, BoBF and S3 all come out of covid and the fallout from that. And as I'm having trouble replying to your comment about Mandalorian creeping up on ST plot points... that was announced before the show even launched. Enclave posted... Last Jedi of course comes along and burns them all to ash and then there was practically nowhere to go with the last movie Arguably there was too many places for it to go, not a lack. --- Behold the angry wizard putt-putt-putting away. <cite>bobbyrk posted [p:984165092] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>SAlYAN posted... </cite><quote>The Mandalorian managed to be beloved for a solid two seasons, before Disney Corporate decided to shit the bed with Book of Boba Fett and Season 3.</quote>To be fair, S2 wasn't as good as S1, and most of the issues with S2, BoBF and S3 all come out of covid and the fallout from that.And as I'm having trouble replying to your comment about Mandalorian creeping up on ST plot points... that was announced before the show even launched.Enclave posted... </cite><quote>Last Jedi of course comes along and burns them all to ash and then there was practically nowhere to go with the last movie</quote>Arguably there was too many places for it to go, not a lack.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbyrk 02/25/25 2:41:48 PM #89:	Charged151 posted... (third director jumped ship though) Third director didn't "jump ship," he was ousted after Fallen Kingdom came out to poor reviews. Just like Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie was shelved after WW84 came out to poor reviews. --- Behold the angry wizard putt-putt-putting away. <cite>bobbyrk posted [p:984165111] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>Charged151 posted... </cite><quote>(third director jumped ship though)</quote>Third director didn't "jump ship," he was ousted after Fallen Kingdom came out to poor reviews. Just like Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie was shelved after WW84 came out to poor reviews.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 02/25/25 2:42:39 PM #90:	TMOG posted... Say what you will about the PT but at least it tried to tell its own story. The PT had most importantly two things working for it off the bat the ST didn't have. 1.It had a consistent director in George Lucas, who was the director for all three. Even if the dialogue isn't the best in spots, it retains a focus. The ST didn't have consistent directors which hurt it. 2.The Prequel Trilogy had a clear endpoint in that it had to end with Darth Vader coming to be, the Jedi being vanquished, and the Empire coming into existence to set up the OG Trilogy. Even without Lucas not having it clearly mapped out, the ending always had to keep these facts in mind. The Sequel Trilogy didn't have that in its favor and +having no real plan, went back and forth on what it wanted in Episode 8 and 9 specifically to most disastrous results. --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:984165116] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>TMOG posted... </cite><quote>Say what you will about the PT but at least it tried to tell its own story.</quote>The PT had most importantly two things working for it off the bat the ST didn't have.1.It had a consistent director in George Lucas, who was the director for all three. Even if the dialogue isn't the best in spots, it retains a focus. The ST didn't have consistent directors which hurt it.2.The Prequel Trilogy had a clear endpoint in that it had to end with Darth Vader coming to be, the Jedi being vanquished, and the Empire coming into existence to set up the OG Trilogy. Even without Lucas not having it clearly mapped out, the ending always had to keep these facts in mind. The Sequel Trilogy didn't have that in its favor and +having no real plan, went back and forth on what it wanted in Episode 8 and 9 specifically to most disastrous results.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 02/25/25 2:45:53 PM #92:	bobbyrk posted... Third director didn't "jump ship," he was ousted after Fallen Kingdom came out to poor reviews. Just like Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie was shelved after WW84 came out to poor reviews. Pretty sure Book of Henry is what killed him. He was hired specially because he was good at generic CGI action shlock like JW. --- Science and Algorithms <cite>lilORANG posted [p:984165167] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>bobbyrk posted... </cite><quote>Third director didn't "jump ship," he was ousted after Fallen Kingdom came out to poor reviews. Just like Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie was shelved after WW84 came out to poor reviews.</quote>Pretty sure Book of Henry is what killed him. He was hired specially because he was good at generic CGI action shlock like JW. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancing_cactuar 02/25/25 2:50:07 PM #94:	lilORANG posted... Pretty sure Book of Henry is what killed him. He was hired specially because he was good at generic CGI action shlock like JW. Yeah, Book of Henry absolutely got him off the project, I still don't know whether to put that movie under "so bad it's hilarious" or absolutely atrocious. The leaked script is still better than Rise of Skywalker though, but that's a bar that's just lying on the floor. --- PS5s have liquid metal tech like the T-1000- AceCombatX All games, movies, albums, and books are fads- Darkfire12 <cite>dancing_cactuar posted [p:984165202] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>lilORANG posted... </cite><quote>Pretty sure Book of Henry is what killed him. He was hired specially because he was good at generic CGI action shlock like JW.</quote>Yeah, Book of Henry absolutely got him off the project, I still don't know whether to put that movie under "so bad it's hilarious" or absolutely atrocious.The leaked script is still better than Rise of Skywalker though, but that's a bar that's just lying on the floor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 02/25/25 2:52:15 PM #95:	dancing_cactuar posted... The leaked script is still better than Rise of Skywalker though, but that's a bar that's just lying on the floor. Is that the script with the Son of Mortis as the final villain? --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:984165227] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>dancing_cactuar posted... </cite><quote>The leaked script is still better than Rise of Skywalker though, but that's a bar that's just lying on the floor.</quote>Is that the script with the Son of Mortis as the final villain?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancing_cactuar 02/25/25 3:04:35 PM #96:	Charged151 posted... Is that the script with the Son of Mortis as the final villain? It's the one where the final fight happens on Mortis between Kylo Ren and Rey and early on Kylo meets this 7000 year old sith that teaches him how to siphon the life force from people. --- PS5s have liquid metal tech like the T-1000- AceCombatX All games, movies, albums, and books are fads- Darkfire12 <cite>dancing_cactuar posted [p:984165348] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>Charged151 posted... </cite><quote>Is that the script with the Son of Mortis as the final villain?</quote>It's the one where the final fight happens on Mortis between Kylo Ren and Rey and early on Kylo meets this 7000 year old sith that teaches him how to siphon the life force from people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 02/25/25 3:07:49 PM #97:	dancing_cactuar posted... It's the one where the final fight happens on Mortis between Kylo Ren and Rey and early on Kylo meets this 7000 year old sith that teaches him how to siphon the life force from people. Oh. That one... This video made a funny about that. Also, I think that spider guy showed up in the Vader comic. Huh... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=itdfe5yQ0Hg --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:984165387] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>dancing_cactuar posted... </cite><quote>It's the one where the final fight happens on Mortis between Kylo Ren and Rey and early on Kylo meets this 7000 year old sith that teaches him how to siphon the life force from people.</quote>Oh. That one...This video made a funny about that.Also, I think that spider guy showed up in the Vader comic. Huh...https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=itdfe5yQ0Hg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 02/25/25 3:36:42 PM #98:	lilORANG posted... Pretty sure Book of Henry is what killed him. He was hired specially because he was good at generic CGI action shlock like JW. dancing_cactuar posted... Yeah, Book of Henry absolutely got him off the project, I still don't know whether to put that movie under "so bad it's hilarious" or absolutely atrocious. Also, I did some looking into it and it appears he was already off the Star Wars project before he went to work on Jurassic Park. So yeah, Book of Henry + KK/others like Iger not liking him asking to change who died in Episode 8 (instead Luke lives/Leia dies) after Carrie Fisher's passing to better suit his own script was the reason he got the boot. --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:984165667] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>lilORANG posted... </cite><quote>Pretty sure Book of Henry is what killed him. He was hired specially because he was good at generic CGI action shlock like JW.</quote>dancing_cactuar posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, Book of Henry absolutely got him off the project, I still don't know whether to put that movie under "so bad it's hilarious" or absolutely atrocious.</quote>Also, I did some looking into it and it appears he was already off the Star Wars project before he went to work on Jurassic Park. So yeah, Book of Henry + KK/others like Iger not liking him asking to change who died in Episode 8 (instead Luke lives/Leia dies) after Carrie Fisher's passing to better suit his own script was the reason he got the boot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 02/25/25 4:00:15 PM #99:	Charged151 posted... The Sequel Trilogy didn't have that in its favor and +having no real plan, went back and forth on what it wanted in Episode 8 and 9 specifically to most disastrous results. This to me is a big thing. I absolutely hate TLJ, but I could've come around to it if the sequel stuck with that direction and there was some payoff to all the bullshit. But the TLJ shit on everything and then RoS shit on TLJ and the end result was naturally a pile of shit. >_> --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:984165893] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>Charged151 posted... </cite><quote>The Sequel Trilogy didn't have that in its favor and +having no real plan, went back and forth on what it wanted in Episode 8 and 9 specifically to most disastrous results.</quote>This to me is a big thing.I absolutely hate TLJ, but I could've come around to it if the sequel stuck with that direction and there was some payoff to all the bullshit.But the TLJ shit on everything and then RoS shit on TLJ and the end result was naturally a pile of shit. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 02/25/25 4:23:22 PM #100:	Kim_Seong-a posted... But the TLJ shit on everything and then RoS shit on TLJ and the end result was naturally a pile of shit. >_> That's very aptly put. :) --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:984166124] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>Kim_Seong-a posted... </cite><quote>But the TLJ shit on everything and then RoS shit on TLJ and the end result was naturally a pile of shit. >_></quote>That's very aptly put. :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArkhamOrigins 02/25/25 4:29:55 PM #101:	LightSnake posted... Great producer. Awful studio head --- The <cite>ArkhamOrigins posted [p:984166179] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>Great producer.Awful studio head</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 02/25/25 4:30:45 PM #102:	I think JJ was just an awful start to it all. Starwars does not need his mystery box crap --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:984166189] in Kathleen K... [t:80940649]...</cite> <quote>I think JJ was just an awful start to it all. Starwars does not need his mystery box crap</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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