Current Events > I didn't know Sonic Adventure 2 Battle's cutscenes were so fucked up

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*Sonic Adventure 2 spoilers obviously*
https://youtu.be/yMauzPcOorQ

tl;dw: Basically anything with lighting, transparency, video files, and jpg background stuff is fucked up when it got ported from Dreamcast to Gamecube (and the later ports)

Especially anything involving a computer screen. Wow did they drop the ball hard on those scenes
https://youtu.be/yMauzPcOorQ?t=1079

Battle is still the better version but geez >_> Is there any mods that fix this like that one for Sonic Adventure 1 Director's Cut that turns it back to the Dreamcast version

NeonPhoenix posted...

Is there any mods that fix this like that one for Sonic Adventure 1 Director's Cut that turns it back to the Dreamcast version

The person who made the videos you linked to is responsible for a lot of SA1/SA2 mods that fix the games. You can mod SA1 so that it's basically 1:1 to the Dreamcast version and even play the original calendar-specific DLC that was available in it too.

I didnt think you meant Original vs Battle and was thinking the video was going to explain why the audio mixing is dogshit in all versions.

I remember the audio being messed up and sometimes they would talk over each other.

Kami_no_Kami posted...

I didnt think you meant Original vs Battle and was thinking the video was going to explain why the audio mixing is dogshit in all versions.

The audio mixing is dogshit cuz it's going off the Japanese version which has shorter spoken dialogue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ockHHFfZ3b8

wait, there was a version of sonic adventure 2 that didn't have the "Battle" subtitle?

IIRC there's not an all-in-one Dreamcast conversion mod for SA2 that makes as widespread changes as SA1, but I've got a list of GameBanana mods (in order) that you can try.

• No Model Tinting
• Cutscene Revamp
• High Quality Textures
• Oddity Patch
• Eggman Lighting Fix
• SA2 Volume Controls
• SA2 Input Controls

I also have SA2 Render Fix installed which is more of an overhaul mod, but it's turned off right now. I haven't had the time to test it to see if it's compatible with the other mods above. Might be worth trying.

Rika_Furude posted...

wait, there was a version of sonic adventure 2 that didn't have the "Battle" subtitle?

Understandable confusion, the updated version came out 6 months later and the original all but disappeared from shelves.

i played both versions of the game and barely even noticed most of these

NeonPhoenix posted...

The audio mixing is dogshit cuz it's going off the Japanese version which has shorter spoken dialogue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ockHHFfZ3b8

A. They couldve written shorter lines or had the actors say them faster (in the scene you linked, Sonic and Shadow both sound super hammy, in part because they take their sweet time delivering lines) or slowed the visuals down (its not like the lip flaps matched the audio anyway).
B. That doesnt explain the scenes where the music completely muffles the dialogue.

Rika_Furude posted...

wait, there was a version of sonic adventure 2 that didn't have the "Battle" subtitle?

Is this a real post? >_>

If so, yes that the original Dreamcast version. When it got ported to GCN, it added a couple of things like way more multiplayer maps and characters (though it removed Big the Cat from it lol) as well as extra Chao Garden stuff like Chao Karate.

The original DC intro was also way lamer compared to the GCN version >_>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOyncfeDQkw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcQ7w-S4J88

sa2 multiplayer kinda sucks outside of like 3 stages but the dreamcast version had no content and ran considerably worse. i don't care about the chao garden but it was awful on dreamcast (felt like a beta in sa1)

the good changes vastly outweigh the oddities added

BakonBitz posted...

IIRC there's not an all-in-one Dreamcast conversion mod for SA2 that makes as widespread changes as SA1, but I've got a list of GameBanana mods (in order) that you can try.

* No Model Tinting
* Cutscene Revamp
* High Quality Textures
* Oddity Patch
* Eggman Lighting Fix
* SA2 Volume Controls
* SA2 Input Controls

I also have SA2 Render Fix installed which is more of an overhaul mod, but it's turned off right now. I haven't had the time to test it to see if it's compatible with the other mods above. Might be worth trying.

Appreciate this, thanks

Huh, never noticed any of that as a kid, and I played both versions. That's pretty interesting.

Only ever played battle. Never even learned it was a port til later on.

I.e. I literally found out big was in the game originally like 2 weeks ago lmao

Toonstrack posted...

Only ever played battle. Never even learned it was a port til later on.

I.e. I literally found out big was in the game originally like 2 weeks ago lmao

yeah, he was a mech user for the dark side. He got replaced with dark chao in battle

anttttt posted...

sa2 multiplayer kinda sucks outside of like 3 stages

Nah it's the perfect way to give a sonic game a versus mode imo

While it's not the most balanced, it's really fun to do head to head races, hunting or shooting battles with the various characters introduced

Rika_Furude posted...

wait, there was a version of sonic adventure 2 that didn't have the "Battle" subtitle?

The original Dreamcast version.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8d456be1.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b1490f05.jpg

Nice

Gamespoht posted...

Nah it's the perfect way to give a sonic game a versus mode imo

specials basically kill off any chances of it being any good tbh. same with the awful checkpoint system. i think downtown race and the grind level are the only two racing levels that are any good.

hunting's probably the best of the three but it's not remarkable

anttttt posted...

specials basically kill off any chances of it being any good tbh. same with the awful checkpoint system. i think downtown race and the grind level are the only two racing levels that are any good.

hunting's probably the best of the three but it's not remarkable

Yeah the special moves are pretty hit & miss, I believe they add to the games meta but I understand the dislikes they get

The checkpoint system is perfect tho since theirs a catch up mechanic, but if I don't want my opponent to catch up by dying I'll just skip them

lcampoy posted...

I remember the audio being messed up and sometimes they I'LL MAKE

YOU EAT THOSE WORDS!

Characters interrupting and talking over each other is weird, but I've played games where characters talk over themselves:

(FF4 spoilers; skip to about 3:56)
https://youtu.be/MuExtE_P8go?si=S08yY08JEbfzsSDh

You might think the guy's supposed to be like some kind of super weirdo and somehow his voice can just do that, but it doesn't happen in the DS version, of which this is a remaster:

(Also spoilers)
https://youtu.be/Zst4NmN8KJA?si=2OMplY8UN4PYS_4T

lcampoy posted...

I remember the audio being messed up and sometimes they would talk over each other.

That actually was because they were unable to delay the animations and clips and had to make the Japanese text work in English, and English sentences can take longer to speak

I actually liked them talking over each other. It felt more realistic than politely waiting for the other person to finish shit talking you.

NoxObscuras posted...

I actually liked them talking over each other. It felt more realistic than politely waiting for the other person to finish shit talking you.

It doesn't bother me in that particular instance but it pretty much happens regardless of the characters relationship with each other and just makes it hilarious.

Also, this has nothing to do with the Japanese to English, but the soun editing is laughably bad even for 90s game standards