Current Events > The Abandon Harris Crowd is awfully silent all of a sudden...

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I might be saying the same for Biden if he implemented Medicare for All or obliterated corporate influence on our politics or codified Roe v Wade or any other number of things, but he didn't. All of his achievements (and his achievements with labor are not to be understated) are being undone before our eyes by the fascism that he and the Democrats enabled. I will admit that when I posted that, I didn't fully appreciate how atrociously bad Vietnam was for the Democrats and the US as a whole. Nixon is the first domino that sent us down this path and he outright sabotaged Vietnam peace talks before the election and kept the war going for 7 more years purely so he could continue having power. Netanyahu was in a similar position to the South Vietnamese government in the 2024 election, but I'm sure Netanyahu didn't need Trump to tell him to continue the genocide to increase Trump's chances of winning.

I unfortunately know one in real life. I'm not friends with them or anything, but they do hop onto our friends discord group and start bitching about how Republicans are ruining their lives (they're MtF trans), but they were also very very vocal about boycotting to vote (and even encouraging others on Twitter/X to join them) because of the Palestine vs Israel thing. I want to so badly rub it in their face, but I also have enough empathy to know that Trump is making their lives worst and that (hopefully) they learned their lesson.

They probably didn't learn anything.

codified Roe v Wade

LBJ did literally none of the things you just asked for from Biden

Yes, because most of the landmark achievements from his Presidency are (maybe not for much longer) mostly intact decades after the fact and they're such facts of American life that it's hard to imagine the country without them. Biden can't sign the Voting Rights Act again.

They should be scared. Fucking morons.

This was not the election to try making your point with your vote.

Why not ask if they will vote Democrat next election despite something like Gaza happening ? That isn't rubbing it in their face, and it will tell you if they learned their lesson.
Heck, that's what you should ask any remorseful non voter or red voter if they complain.

just to be clear, you blame Biden for this more than a 50-50 democratic senate that can only pass so much a year and the conservative Supreme Court that struck it down?

do you also blame LBJ and Carter as creating the conditions for Reagan btw?

and to be clear, you think Bidens achievements in infrastructure arent going to last and the GOP wont take credit for them?

I don't understand what is so hard to grasp about

"i cannot in good conscience vote for one complicit in or contributing to genocide, even if the other candidate is significantly worse"

I voted for Harris. But I understand. I'm not going to tell someone who has a tangible stake on the wrong end of genocide "suck it up and vote anyway"

If one isn't willing to stop the significantly worse option, it brings into question how upset they actually are about it. Sitting on the fence is saying "I won't stop the worse option".

no it doesnt. some peoples principles are uncompromisable and they cant be utilitarian about it. it's as simple as "i cant bring myself to vote for genocide", and that point is so utterly succinct and inarguable

I understand people disagree with it and think it's foolish or morally wrong. Sucks. It is what it is

no it doesnt. some peoples principles are uncompromisable

Biden called for a ceasefire plenty of times. He even had some ceasefire deals "in place" before the Israeli government rejected them in favor of mulching more toddlers. Why should I believe that he's sincere the 18th time he calls for one, and why should I believe his Vice President, who stood shoulder-to-shoulder with him on all of this, when she does the same?

So why should they complain when that comes back to bite them?

It's admirable to have principles, don't get me wrong. Sometimes you need to swallow your pride and do what needs to be done, regardless of how you feel about it.

When all the death and destruction continues to get worse, they can stand proud and say "BUT I STUCK TO MY GUNS!".

complain about what? idk why you guys seem to think people are doing this out of sanctimony. theyre not doing it to brag they did the right thing

they understand there is a worse option. they understand that. you guys on this board have this problem where you assume people are stupid and/or arrogant

it begins and ends at "i cannot bring myself to enable genocide"

they understand there is a worse option. they understand that. you guys on this board have this problem where you assume people are stupid and/or arrogant

it begins and ends at "i cannot bring myself to enable genocide"

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they did not save anyone

it begins and ends at "i cannot bring myself to enable genocide"

You guys literally gave 128 posts to a clown whose entire life view is "but, but Killer Kamala!!!"

Why do we pathologically put so much of the onus on the voters to vote for evil instead of the onus on the politicians to be less evil, which would get more people to vote for them? The job of a politician is to earn votes. It's mind-boggling.

they understand there is a worse option. they understand that. you guys on this board have this problem where you assume people are stupid and/or arrogant

it begins and ends at "i cannot bring myself to enable genocide"

I don't understand what is so hard to grasp about

"i cannot in good conscience vote for one complicit in or contributing to genocide, even if the other candidate is significantly worse"

I voted for Harris. But I understand. I'm not going to tell someone who has a tangible stake on the wrong end of genocide "suck it up and vote anyway"

Someone turn Dungeater off and on again.

well, i did my best to try to clarify it for people. it seems like some people are having the conversation (argument) they want to have, as opposed to like, listening to what im saying. though its entirely possible im articulating it poorly too

they understand there is a worse option. they understand that. you guys on this board have this problem where you assume people are stupid and/or arrogant

it begins and ends at "i cannot bring myself to enable genocide"

they understand there is a worse option. they understand that. you guys on this board have this problem where you assume people are stupid and/or arrogant

it begins and ends at "i cannot bring myself to enable genocide"

Why do we pathologically put so much of the onus on the voters to vote for evil instead of the onus on the politicians to be less evil, which would get more people to vote for them? The job of a politician is to earn votes. It's mind-boggling.

Itchey is like that?

Would it? Because we just saw first hand not bothering to vote against an objectively evil **** just won the last presidential election.

I think it's more understandable if you frame it as having to vote for a candidate that is personally responsible for killing half of your family and is going to give mealy-mouthed justifications for killing the other half if they get elected. I have a Palestinian friend that has personally lost family members and ended up voting for Jill Stein (in a blue state, so calm down) because he just couldn't bring himself to do it.

"I cannot bring myself to enable genocide, therefore I will refuse to vote against the man who has outright said he's going to accelerate the genocide, while simultaneously beginning new genocides against other groups of people and fucking over my own country in irreparable ways as well."