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GeraldDarko
03/28/25 10:37:23 AM
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Should they do one where they go back to their roots?


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WingsOfGood
03/28/25 10:37:58 AM
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it has been since 12 came out
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-Crissaegrim-
03/28/25 10:39:13 AM
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It's long overdue it's turn.

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gmanthebest
03/28/25 10:39:20 AM
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It's well past time for one

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Lonestar2000
03/28/25 10:41:24 AM
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No, turn-based games suck.

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Hayame_Zero
03/28/25 10:41:37 AM
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I'd like to see one, but at the same time, I think the FFVII:R combat system is the best one they've made and I don't want them to drop that one.

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PeteyParker
03/28/25 10:44:35 AM
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I was hoping that mobile FF VII game they did that was supposed to incorporate all the games was going to be exactly that. Then it turned out to not be that and it's not very fun. Disappointing.

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
03/28/25 10:44:54 AM
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Square seems terrified of going back to what works.

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Jupiter
03/28/25 10:45:02 AM
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While I love the Remake series, my favorite FF combat system is FFX. I love turn-based games, and FFX felt the best to me.

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WingsOfGood
03/28/25 10:47:14 AM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
No, turn-based games suck.

shut the fuck up
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ellis123
03/28/25 10:59:08 AM
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Clearly not. If people actually wanted the games they would buy them rather than complaining about them not existing.

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Baron_Ox
03/28/25 11:04:08 AM
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I like turn-based games, when done correctly, but IMO, turn-based JRPGs generally don't have compelling mechanics.

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uwnim
03/28/25 11:07:38 AM
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Jupiter posted...
While I love the Remake series, my favorite FF combat system is FFX. I love turn-based games, and FFX felt the best to me.
FFX had a good system, yeah.

Most classic FF games were ATB though which is something that should never come back. VIIRs system makes ATB obsolete.

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archizzy
03/28/25 11:09:25 AM
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We had a nice ATB game in World of Final Fantasy. It was a great game that felt like classic Final Fantasy and it was mostly criticized for the chibi artstyle used and it is largely completely ignored even on gamefaqs where a lot of the more committed and die hard fans are.

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Jupiter
03/28/25 11:13:24 AM
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uwnim posted...
FFX had a good system, yeah.

Most classic FF games were ATB though which is something that should never come back. VIIRs system makes ATB obsolete.
Yea I wasn't a huge fan of the ATB system to be honest.

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Solid_Snake07
03/28/25 11:15:46 AM
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ellis123 posted...
Clearly not. If people actually wanted the games they would buy them rather than complaining about them not existing.


Baldurs gate 3 is probably the best selling rpg in recent memory. So I wouldnt say turn based games have no audience. They just need to be good.

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Jupiter
03/28/25 11:19:24 AM
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ellis123 posted...
Clearly not. If people actually wanted the games they would buy them rather than complaining about them not existing.
Oh, you mean like Persona, Metaphor, Dragon Quest 11, Baldur's Gate 3, etc? There's also a lot of hype for that Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 game.

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Giant_Aspirin
03/28/25 11:24:59 AM
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SE needs to get over this idea of trying to appeal to everyone. just make RPGs and don't worry about 'casual gamers'. of course, this means lowering production costs, but who really cares about those $20M FMVs anyway?

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ellis123
03/28/25 11:25:38 AM
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Solid_Snake07 posted...
Baldurs gate 3 is probably the best selling rpg in recent memory. So I wouldnt say turn based games have no audience. They just need to be good.
I'm specifically talking about JRPGs, and more specifically Final Fantasy. If people actually wanted a classic-style FF they would have bought Dimensions, wouldn't pretend like it didn't exist, etc. But all of those things apply: people clearly just want to bitch about a bygone time, they don't actually want to put their money/time down. It isn't about the style done by Square either, as the whole 2DHD line up has had multiples of classic-styled games: they just don't explicitly have the "Final Fantasy" name.

Square keeps returning to classic turn based games. They never stop doing it.

Jupiter posted...
Oh, you mean like Persona, Metaphor, Dragon Quest 11, Baldur's Gate 3, etc? There's also a lot of hype for that Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 game.
Which of those are by Square Enix?

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Tyranthraxus
03/28/25 11:26:45 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
but who really cares about those $20M FMVs anyway?

Did you forget the part where they bankrupted themselves to make a movie out of those FMVs and Enix had to bail them out? They are the ones who care about those movies.

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Hayame_Zero
03/28/25 11:30:57 AM
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uwnim posted...
FFX had a good system, yeah.

Most classic FF games were ATB though which is something that should never come back. VIIRs system makes ATB obsolete.
Pretty much how I feel. I wouldn't mind seeing a turn-based system again, but I don't want to see one that's just tapping the confirm button or hitting auto-battle for most regular fights again.

Give me a reason to use other skills and target specific enemies.

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Jupiter
03/28/25 11:36:03 AM
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ellis123 posted...
If people actually wanted a classic-style FF they would have bought Dimensions, wouldn't pretend like it didn't exist, etc.
Are you sure you meant Dimensions? I just googled this as I have legit never heard of it, and google tells me this was a mobile game for iOS and Android released in 2010. Again, I have legit never heard of this game before your post.

ellis123 posted...
Which of those are by Square Enix?
At first I thought you meant FF games exclusively until I saw that other post. But Dragon Quest is Square Enix. If you mean Square Enix exclusively, there's also Octopath Traveler series that sold 5 million. Triangle Strategy sold 1 million copies in 2 weeks without being multiplatform. I'm sure there are others. Keep in mind, these games do not have the same budget as FF. I don't think it's fair to criticize people for wanting a new mainline FF game that is turn-based.

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TheOtherMike
03/28/25 11:43:28 AM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
No, turn-based games suck.

Wrong.

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ellis123
03/28/25 11:47:19 AM
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Jupiter posted...
Are you sure you meant Dimensions? I just googled this as I have legit never heard of it, and google tells me this was a mobile game for iOS and Android released in 2010. Again, I have legit never heard of this game before your post.
Yes. It is quite literally a "classic FF" in every single way that the TC wants, based on FFV. It's pretty good.

Jupiter posted...
At first I thought you meant FF games exclusively until I saw that other post. But Dragon Quest is Square Enix. If you mean Square Enix exclusively, there's also Octopath Traveler series that sold 5 million. Triangle Strategy sold 1 million copies in 2 weeks without being multiplatform. I'm sure there are others. Keep in mind, these games do not have the same budget as FF. I don't think it's fair to criticize people for wanting a new mainline FF game that is turn-based.
You appear to be missing my point. I am pointing out the hypocritical nature of TC's entire topic, that we keep on getting exactly what they're saying they want over and over, but any time it specifically has the Final Fantasy title everyone ignores it like it will kill their dog.

And it is impossible to have a classic turn based JRPG with a budget on par with the non. It is purely a ridiculous, almost pig-headed, unwillingness to actually accept that the overwhelming about of any modern game's budget comes from things that do not exist in classic JRPGs. Persona 5's team was, at its height, just a bit over 60 people. Final Fantasy XV had over 200, its massive budget coming from them. And there is no world where P5 would have been made any better by adding in another 200 developers solely so they could add in stuff like physics interactions: the expensive part of modern games.

Dimensions had all the budget that it needed for a modern FF in the classical style: no, the fact that it didn't have a massive physics bloat on its budget was not needed.

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Tyranthraxus
03/28/25 11:48:47 AM
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Yeah Dimensions is a game that you could probably lie about to someone saying it was released on the SNES and they'd never realize otherwise.

Edit: but not Dimensions 2. Only the first one.

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Piplup_Sniper
03/28/25 11:52:58 AM
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Solid_Snake07 posted...
Baldurs gate 3 is probably the best selling rpg in recent memory. So I wouldnt say turn based games have no audience. They just need to be good.
BG3 is a different beast than the traditional four guys in a row combat of FF.

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ellis123
03/28/25 11:53:13 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Edit: but not Dimensions 2. Only the first one.
Man, Dimensions 2 still annoys me. What a waste of the spin-off name.

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Tyranthraxus
03/28/25 11:56:48 AM
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Piplup_Sniper posted...
BG3 is a different beast than the traditional four guys in a row combat of FF.

Ok hear me out

FFT2 but it's got the combat system of D:OS2 instead.


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AvlButtslam
03/28/25 11:57:49 AM
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Play Bravely Default 2

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GeraldDarko
03/28/25 12:03:42 PM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
Pretty much how I feel. I wouldn't mind seeing a turn-based system again, but I don't want to see one that's just tapping the confirm button or hitting auto-battle for most regular fights again.

Give me a reason to use other skills and target specific enemies.
FFX did a great job ramping up the pressure while introducing new mechanics. Once you hit the calm lands, you really need to start using everything youve learned.

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masterpug53
03/28/25 12:19:10 PM
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Is Pokemon still the eternal comeback to people who think there's no market for turn-based RPGs?

(I'm forced to ask because I dropped out of the series after Gen 6 and know that the Arceus game mixed things up a bit)

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Tyranthraxus
03/28/25 12:19:58 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
Is Pokemon still the eternal comeback to people who think there's no market for turn-based RPGs?

I sure hope not because Z-A is... not doing that anymore

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Baron_Ox
03/28/25 12:55:59 PM
#33:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Ok hear me out

FFT2 but it's got the combat system of D:OS2 instead.


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Jupiter
03/28/25 2:08:23 PM
#34:


ellis123 posted...
Yes. It is quite literally a "classic FF" in every single way that the TC wants, based on FFV. It's pretty good.

You appear to be missing my point. I am pointing out the hypocritical nature of TC's entire topic, that we keep on getting exactly what they're saying they want over and over, but any time it specifically has the Final Fantasy title everyone ignores it like it will kill their dog.

And it is impossible to have a classic turn based JRPG with a budget on par with the non. It is purely a ridiculous, almost pig-headed, unwillingness to actually accept that the overwhelming about of any modern game's budget comes from things that do not exist in classic JRPGs. Persona 5's team was, at its height, just a bit over 60 people. Final Fantasy XV had over 200, its massive budget coming from them. And there is no world where P5 would have been made any better by adding in another 200 developers solely so they could add in stuff like physics interactions: the expensive part of modern games.

Dimensions had all the budget that it needed for a modern FF in the classical style: no, the fact that it didn't have a massive physics bloat on its budget was not needed.
When I was referring to budget, I moreso meant the marketing aspect of it. The point I was trying to make is those games didn't have as much marketing as a Final Fantasy game and still were able to sell in the millions. I also still stand by my statement that I don't think it's fair to criticize people for wanting a turn based Final Fantasy game that looks like Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 or even Dragon Quest 11.

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Giant_Aspirin
03/28/25 2:10:14 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Did you forget the part where they bankrupted themselves to make a movie out of those FMVs and Enix had to bail them out? They are the ones who care about those movies.

exactly! they're the only ones who care. i certainly dont consider the quality of FMVs when deciding if i want to buy a game or not. and i suspect most gamers dont either

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Jiek_Fafn
03/28/25 2:17:30 PM
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Why it gotta be specifically FF?
Square has made a lot of turn based rpgs in recent years but no one really talks about them.

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Tyranthraxus
03/28/25 2:30:10 PM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
Why it gotta be specifically FF?
Square has made a lot of turn based rpgs in recent years but no one really talks about them.
The only turn based RPGs they've made these days are remakes and remasters. The last original non gacha turn based game was Octopath 2

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