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SocialistGamer
04/08/25 5:28:13 PM
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Why only 4 playable characters?

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Prestoff
04/08/25 5:32:47 PM
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To make room for Fire Emblem characters.

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darkbuster
04/08/25 5:33:15 PM
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Link (3 variants, actually), Zelda, Ganondorf, who else is there to seriously add? Besides maybe Tingle or Impa, that's pretty much everyone who most consistently matters in the Zelda series. I really think people just need to accept that some series have more relevant characters than others, instead of trying to put some metric of representation as a measure of prestige.

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LonelyStoner
04/08/25 5:36:41 PM
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We havent had a good Zelda game in over a decade, and thats being generous.

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K181
04/08/25 5:39:38 PM
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darkbuster posted...
Link (3 variants, actually), Zelda, Ganondorf, who else is there to seriously add? Besides maybe Tingle or Impa, that's pretty much everyone who most consistently matters in the Zelda series. I really think people just need to accept that some series have more relevant characters than others, instead of trying to put some metric of representation as a measure of prestige.

BotW and TotK are the best-selling games in franchise history by far. With that in mind, honestly surprised that they haven't added the champions to the roster.

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DuuuDe14
04/08/25 5:40:24 PM
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Prestoff posted...
To make room for Fire Emblem characters.


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Tyranthraxus
04/08/25 5:41:56 PM
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darkbuster posted...
who else is there to seriously add?

Vaati
Impa

You know nvm I'm tired of having this conversation I don't want to hear any bullshit anymore about "what characters!?!?" When there's three fucking musou games full of characters and they find time for literal bullshit like Piranha Plant and Dark Pit.

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Amakusa
04/08/25 5:47:26 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Vaati
Impa
Keep in mind the Impa that would be the most appropriate to add came from Hyrule Warriors.

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mehmeh1
04/08/25 5:47:59 PM
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K181 posted...
BotW and TotK are the best-selling games in franchise history by far. With that in mind, honestly surprised that they haven't added the champions to the roster.
BotW and Ultimate were in development at the same time

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darkbuster
04/08/25 5:49:49 PM
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K181 posted...
BotW and TotK are the best-selling games in franchise history by far. With that in mind, honestly surprised that they haven't added the champions to the roster.

The champions (BotW) were functionally replaced with the sages (TotK). It's not as big a deal, if you're from a series where recurring characters & direct sequels are relatively rare, such as Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, or Fire Emblem, but for Zelda, its most important characters are (reincarnation or otherwise) recurring.

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That's technically just a Zelda variant; more or less, Pirate Sheik, when you get down to it.

Midna
Skull Kid
Vera
Onyx
Zant
Ghirahim

Most of these are one-shots, except Skull Kid, & that's mostly because of Termina.

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YoungMutual
04/08/25 6:50:24 PM
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LonelyStoner posted...
We havent had a good Zelda game in over a decade, and thats being generous.
Even if you dislike BotW and TotK, we just got Echoes of Wisdom last year...

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ReturnOfDevsman
04/08/25 6:52:37 PM
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Does Sheik still not have a dedicated spot in the roster?

I dunno, I haven't played Ultimate.

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Clovershroom
04/08/25 6:54:14 PM
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ReturnOfDevsman posted...
Does Sheik still not have a dedicated spot in the roster?

I dunno, I haven't played Ultimate.

She does. It's been like that since Smash for WiiU and 3DS.

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
04/08/25 7:07:52 PM
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darkbuster posted...
who else is there to seriously add?
Zelda, Nintendo's third-biggest franchise, has as many unique characters as fuckin' Metroid and you babble "well obviously Sakurai can't think of anybody else"? Meanwhile Mario has a goddamn Piranha Plant as a character?

Sakurai somehow didn't have a single good idea for another Zelda character in the 17 years that spanned Melee and Ultimate.

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PowerOats
04/08/25 7:11:26 PM
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Honestly I just want Hyrule Warriors versions of Zelda characters in smash
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Piplup_Sniper
04/08/25 7:12:55 PM
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the fact that ganon is still a semi-clone of falcon is a travesty

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Tyranthraxus
04/08/25 7:41:39 PM
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Piplup_Sniper posted...
the fact that ganon is still a semi-clone of falcon is a travesty
This.

They need to give his moveset to Black Shadow and declone Ganondorf to fight with a sword mixing up his stuff from OoT, TP, and TotK.

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Turbam
04/08/25 7:43:51 PM
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It's probably way too much to do, but Young Link should have a Majora's Mask moveset. His down B should change him from Regular -> Deku -> Goron -> Zora, and his moveset should be different for all of them.

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AceMos
04/08/25 7:46:34 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Dark Pit.

this is still the most blatant example of sakurai having a bias

yes he was a quick and easy add

but it was still bluntly sakurai adding his fanfic character

back to the topic at hand

i think the bigger issue is all 3 links play the same and ganondorf STILL has a moveset that does not fit him at all

granted seeing as sakurai is working on air ride 2 maybe we will have some fresh blood for the new smash game

what that will mean who knows

but i do hope we have some one new in charge

but odds are nintendo will just port smash ultimate call it smash ultimate delux and then add a few new characters

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BakonBitz
04/08/25 8:43:46 PM
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darkbuster posted...
Most of these are one-shots, except Skull Kid, & that's mostly because of Termina.
It's worth noting that being one-shot characters did not harm the chances of other characters getting into Smash. At the end of the day what matters is popularity.

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Murphiroth
04/08/25 8:44:51 PM
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LonelyStoner posted...
We havent had a good Zelda game in over a decade, and thats being generous.

Incorrect.
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AceMos
04/08/25 8:45:36 PM
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Murphiroth posted...
Incorrect.

indeed we got echoes of wisdom just last year

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BakonBitz
04/08/25 8:48:11 PM
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AceMos posted...
indeed we got echoes of wisdom just last year
That's true. It might not reach the heights of some other 2D-style Zelda games but I feel like for those who don't like the direction of BotW/TotK it was actually pretty good.

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Azn_Psycho
04/08/25 8:49:15 PM
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He hates Zelda as the princess is never a top-tier character

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SocialistGamer
04/09/25 9:35:00 AM
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darkbuster posted...
The champions (BotW) were functionally replaced with the sages (TotK). It's not as big a deal, if you're from a series where recurring characters & direct sequels are relatively rare, such as Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, or Fire Emblem, but for Zelda, its most important characters are (reincarnation or otherwise) recurring.

That's technically just a Zelda variant; more or less, Pirate Sheik, when you get down to it.

Most of these are one-shots, except Skull Kid, & that's mostly because of Termina.
same with a lot of the Fire Emblem characters.


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Mad-Dogg
04/09/25 10:18:38 AM
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I seriously do think we should have got vaati and impa as new zelda franchise smash characters forever ago.

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asdf8562
04/09/25 10:32:41 AM
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I definitely think he dislikes Zelda.

Ganondorfs original inclusion was a costume change Captain Falcon who's slower and hits slightly harder.
He received a "revamped" later that still pulls moves from Captain Falcon.... but now with sword action.

He claimed he was bringing everyone back, but Zelda/Sheik technically wasn't brought back. But his wife Pythra can character swap.

There's 3 Link clones with slight deviations

The latest Link (BotW) barely has BotW representation in its moveset. Down B.

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McmadnessV3
04/09/25 10:46:49 AM
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I'd sooner blame the abundance of FE characters on the corporate side of Nintendo personally.

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Kisai
04/12/25 7:43:45 PM
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I feel a bigger sign of his disinterest in Zelda is making Ganondorf a clone of Captain Falcon.

It would have been nice to see Ghirahim as a playable character, and someone else as an assist trophy, like Aganihm.

asdf8562 posted...
He claimed he was bringing everyone back, but Zelda/Sheik technically wasn't brought back. But his wife Pythra can character swap.
I'm fine with making Zelda a regular, non-transformation character. I never really wanted to play as Shiek anyway.

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ssjevot
04/12/25 8:15:44 PM
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Just add a generic ass goron, because that would be cool.

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Phantom_Nook
04/12/25 8:25:55 PM
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"He didn't add all the Zelda characters I wanted, so he hates Zelda."

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AceMos
04/12/25 8:30:41 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
"He didn't add all the Zelda characters I wanted, so he hates Zelda."

not even close to what is being discussed here

but sakurais cult will always defend him from any criticism

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Phantom_Nook
04/12/25 9:47:20 PM
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AceMos posted...
sakurais cult
Lol

There's a difference between criticism and projecting your own feelings on to him.

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Siculu
04/12/25 9:59:30 PM
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I know this is a Zelda Smash topic, but we need Sub-Zero/Scorpion and Fulgore to turn it into the GOAT.

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SilentSeph
04/12/25 10:10:13 PM
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When you consider stages, music, Assist Trophies, etc. then Zelda representation is good overall. I'm certainly not opposed to more characters but I'm satisfied with the roster. That being said, I don't like the arguments of "this character can't be in because they're not x and haven't been in y games in z amount of years" or whatever

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ReturnOfDevsman
04/13/25 9:31:07 AM
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Huh, I always assumed there just only were three Zelda characters, since there hasn't been a new one in ash Bros since Melee.

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