Current Events > what's with every teenager speaking in a forced AAVE accent now

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i've been tutoring math and i'm pretty sure some of these rich suburban kids go weeks without seeing a black person irl <_<

and please spare me the lecturing on how it's "always been like this". when i was in high school in the early 2000s it was just one clique of rap-obsessed dudes who would do this. now it's the preps, the jocks, the anime nerds, literally all of them

the fuck is AAVE

Examples?

NeonPhoenix posted...

the fuck is AAVE

i'm just gonna copy-paste google's AI response <_<

AAVE is an acronym for African American Vernacular English, also known as Black English Vernacular or Ebonics. It's a unique variety of English with its own grammatical, vocabulary, and accent features, primarily spoken by African Americans, particularly in urban communities. It's also a distinct type of language from mainstream English, as it has its own unique features.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

• AAVE is a dialect:
• It's a variation of English, not a "bad" or "incorrect" version of it.
• It has its own linguistic rules:
• AAVE has unique grammatical structures and vocabulary that distinguish it from Standard English.
• It's a socially and historically significant language:
• AAVE is a reflection of the rich linguistic history and cultural traditions of African Americans.
• It's not just "slang":
• While some AAVE terms have become part of mainstream slang, AAVE is a complex and multifaceted linguistic system with its own grammar, vocabulary, and pronunciation features.
• It's a valid and important form of communication:
• Recognizing and respecting AAVE as a legitimate language is essential for understanding and valuing the diverse linguistic landscape of America.

But it has always been like that. The concept of putting on a fake blaccent isn't new.

Now?

it's basically just the funny internet talk now

A_Good_Boy posted...

But it has always been like that. The concept of putting on a fake blaccent isn't new.

Southernfatman posted...

Now?

it has never been nearly this widespread. it used to be a specific type of teen who'd copy it, now it's all of them by default. if Mean Girls was made today they'd have Regina talking like that

KhlavicLanguage posted...

i'm just gonna copy-paste google's AI response <_<

Oh that? That shit has been around for literal decades lol. Malibu's Most Wanted is the funniest portrayal of that and is my guilty pleasure movie >_>

A_Good_Boy posted...

But it has always been like that. The concept of putting on a fake blaccent isn't new.

it isnt new, but its definitely more ubiquitous now

if i had to guess its because hip hop has muscled most other music aside in popular culture over the past decade

ultimate_reaver posted...

it isnt new, but its definitely more ubiquitous now

yeah i don't know why this is so difficult to get across. i made sure i pre-empted it in the opening post and it's still been the primary response so far >_>

KhlavicLanguage posted...

it has never been nearly this widespread. it used to be a specific type of teen who'd copy it, now it's all of them by default. if Mean Girls was made today they'd have Regina talking like that

The Internet has homogenized culture a lot more than it used to be. When you can freely interact with anyone anywhere, you tend to collect idiosyncracies like that. Half (and that's being underly charitable) of the lingo we use nowaday comes from AAVE, but it's much easier to link the lingo to the source now with how quickly language evolves in the age of the Internet.

This isn't new

In the past, if your buddy told you to check out a video on yt you'd usually need to have a link sent or go looking for it. Now your phone will hear your conversation about skibidi and feed you skibidi toilet. So now you've got skibidi toilet on your phone and you're watching nothing but skibidi toilet. You start incorporating skibidi toilet into other aspects of life because all day long it's skibidi toilet, skibidi toilet.

specialkid8 posted...

Examples?

Anecdotally, I was playing Killer Klowns from Outerspace multiplayer game on PS5 with the comms on and one players sounds like a teenager and he drops something and says "Come on bruh, take it bruh, take it to bunker bruh".

It's also different than when I was in High School and you saw dudes dress like Malibu's Most Wanted and talk like "A'ight" and "Gnome sayin' CUH" or like "Feel me, dawg?" Twitter really kind of proliferated slang and for some reason Atlanta culture and then weirdly Gullah slang won out. Teens are like "what blud yapping about" or "this shit bussin" or "thats cap" or "that got me shook" or calling things "fire" or even just fuckin' saying the word "Rizz" at all for any reason.

I'm not a strict authority on the specifics, but the slang is just like Black culture in general but the accent feels like straight up Atlanta hood accent for real. Or AT LEAST a southern hood accent.

I don't think it's fake, though I could be wrong. I've seen younger adults from Europe have accents closer to American solely because they've been terminally online since they could read.

wanderingshade posted...

the slang is just like Black culture in general but the accent feels like straight up Atlanta hood accent for real.

Youth slang has been AAVE on a roughly-ten-to-fifteen year delay for longer than most of us have been alive.

The only real difference now is that it spreads faster.

AAVE becoming standard lingo isn't new at all but Zoomers only knowing how to communicate in inaccurate, bastardized AAVE is due to the internet. Imo it's an elephant in the room that'll never be addressed but in chronological order here's how we ended up like this

• Big part of the online comedic zeitgeist in the late '00s/early '10s came from ignorant depictions of minorities - WorldStarHipHop, eccentric local news interviews, reality shows, etc
• Twitter gets its first influx of normies in the late 00s
• Edgy/racist parody comedy accounts become a trend; a lot of them being over-the-top depictions of Black people posting in really exaggerated, phonetic AAVE
• Black Twitter/IG emerges as daily internet/social media use becomes ubiquitous and non-Black users become exposed to different parts of Black culture
• "Parody" accounts become less popular; replaced with early meme accounts and proto-shitposters making fun of certain trends associated with Black Twitter/IG like deep fried memes, excessive emojis, etc
• People start to "ironically" use AAVE in their posts because America has a strange relationship with mocking and celebrating Black culture at the same time
• Online entrepeneurs and people behind viral marketing/astroturfing campaigns take advantage of Black Twitter/IG being a relatively new demographic and through a shitload of reasons that would take too much time to explain and would be too awkward/uncomfortable for a lot of people to read, Black Twitter/IG culture starts to skyrocket in visibility and reach
• SoundCloud rap era kicks off, shitload of new rappers gain huge visibility on the web and become c-list celebrities while sometimes introducing new slang into the cultural zeitgeist
• Influencer culture starts to be a thing, which is a mess that deserves its own timeline
• American social media culture starts to become homogenized + the product of Black culture and people not understanding (or sometimes outright mocking) Black culture
• Gen Z starts to adapt their own culture to match the online culture they've been immersed in
• Large swaths of the developing world starts to gain 24/7 internet access and gets exposed to the homogenized culture + AAVE
• Non-English speaking internet users frequently see the homogenized culture and adapt to it; AAVE being superficially seen as a simpler, looser form of English that could be understood across the web
• Young people (teens, twentysomethings) start unironically using AAVE in real life
• Shitposting culture starts to be a thing with AAVE being a huge part of it + some remnants of early Twitter-era edginess/racism. Shitposting also starts to become a universal part of online culture
• Younger Zoomers + the oldest of Gen Alpha get immersed in shitposting culture the same way older Zoomers and the youngest Millennials got immersed in 2010s online culture
• Kids start unironically saying "skibidi rizz" and stupid shit

what does skibidi toilet ohio rizz monka have to do with AAVE?

WingsOfGood posted...

what does skibidi toilet ohio rizz monka have to do with AAVE?

Nothing specifically but it's just showing that online culture has a huge effect on young people since that's where they spend most of their time. Today's kids are being influenced by brainrot and shitposting culture just like how yeard ago young people were influenced by the online culture they were immersed in.

CRON posted...

Nothing specifically but it's just showing that online culture has a huge effect on young people since that's where they spend most of their time. Today's kids are being influenced by brainrot and shitposting culture just like how yeard ago young people were influenced by the online culture they were immersed in.

meant that to the tc not your post as pretty sure teenagers say skibidi toilet ohio rizz monka sadge

I guess someone might try to claim rizz is AAVE cause of Kai but that makes no sense either

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I'll never forget working retail just before COVID hit and once a week I had to work a closing shift with a bunch of seasonal hires. It was always the white college students who would spam the fuck out of AAVE and somehow find a way to shoehorn "I be" or "she/he/they be" into any sentence, yet they would completely drop the AAVE when around older Black/Hispanic coworkers and actively go out of their way to not interact with them.

WingsOfGood posted...

I guess someone might try to claim rizz is AAVE cause of Kai but that makes no sense either

"Popularization" and "creation" are not the same thing.

He didn't invent the word, he popularized it, it was colloquial AAVE long before.

DrizztLink posted...

He didn't invent the word,

He says he did

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qffTC3vRuw4

That's just how it be.

I graduated high school in 2000 and it was definitely a thing back then too, just different slang

WingsOfGood posted...

He says he did

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qffTC3vRuw4

And?

Yeah the Internet just spreads it faster than before. Welcome to the future lol

DrizztLink posted...

"Popularization" and "creation" are not the same thing.

He didn't invent the word, he popularized it, it was colloquial AAVE long before.

I'm gonna need more evidence before I believe this. A quick Google search for "rizz before:2020" gives zero instances as it's used today that aren't more recent instances that Google thinks are older.

Garioshi posted...

I'm gonna need more evidence before I believe this. A quick Google search for "rizz before:2020" gives zero instances as it's used today that aren't more recent instances that Google thinks are older.

use on the internet before 2022 was basically 0

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f5926083.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/ca067869.jpg

CRON posted...

AAVE becoming standard lingo isn't new at all but Zoomers only knowing how to communicate in inaccurate, bastardized AAVE is due to the internet. Imo it's an elephant in the room that'll never be addressed but in chronological order here's how we ended up like this

* Big part of the online comedic zeitgeist in the late '00s/early '10s came from ignorant depictions of minorities - WorldStarHipHop, eccentric local news interviews, reality shows, etc
* Twitter gets its first influx of normies in the late 00s
* Edgy/racist parody comedy accounts become a trend; a lot of them being over-the-top depictions of Black people posting in really exaggerated, phonetic AAVE
* Black Twitter/IG emerges as daily internet/social media use becomes ubiquitous and non-Black users become exposed to different parts of Black culture
* "Parody" accounts become less popular; replaced with early meme accounts and proto-shitposters making fun of certain trends associated with Black Twitter/IG like deep fried memes, excessive emojis, etc
* People start to "ironically" use AAVE in their posts because America has a strange relationship with mocking and celebrating Black culture at the same time
* Online entrepeneurs and people behind viral marketing/astroturfing campaigns take advantage of Black Twitter/IG being a relatively new demographic and through a shitload of reasons that would take too much time to explain and would be too awkward/uncomfortable for a lot of people to read, Black Twitter/IG culture starts to skyrocket in visibility and reach
* SoundCloud rap era kicks off, shitload of new rappers gain huge visibility on the web and become c-list celebrities while sometimes introducing new slang into the cultural zeitgeist
* Influencer culture starts to be a thing, which is a mess that deserves its own timeline
* American social media culture starts to become homogenized + the product of Black culture and people not understanding (or sometimes outright mocking) Black culture
* Gen Z starts to adapt their own culture to match the online culture they've been immersed in
* Large swaths of the developing world starts to gain 24/7 internet access and gets exposed to the homogenized culture + AAVE
* Non-English speaking internet users frequently see the homogenized culture and adapt to it; AAVE being superficially seen as a simpler, looser form of English that could be understood across the web
* Young people (teens, twentysomethings) start unironically using AAVE in real life
* Shitposting culture starts to be a thing with AAVE being a huge part of it + some remnants of early Twitter-era edginess/racism. Shitposting also starts to become a universal part of online culture
* Younger Zoomers + the oldest of Gen Alpha get immersed in shitposting culture the same way older Zoomers and the youngest Millennials got immersed in 2010s online culture
* Kids start unironically saying "skibidi rizz" and stupid shit

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b4c4a974.jpg

The weird one is calling slightly older people unc. I see teenagers and people in their early 20s calling people in the mid to late 20s unc

Piplup_Sniper posted...

The weird one is calling slightly older people unc. I see teenagers and people in their early 20s calling people in the mid to late 20s unc

pretty sure that is from asian culture as literally they do this in China, Korea and to some extent Japan actually maybe more China thing

people call low tier god unc nonstop, i admit it's kinda funny. i assume it means uncle

WingsOfGood posted...

pretty sure that is from asian culture as literally they do this in China, Korea and to some extent Japan actually maybe more China thing

Nah, unc is another one that's been around in black culture for a long time. An older friend of the family/crew would be called Uncle or Auntie even though they're not blood related. And unc is just a short version of that. Snoop Dogg calls younger people "Nephew" and that's in the same vein.

Hell in the mid 2000's we even had the late DJ Unk.

KhlavicLanguage posted...

i'm just gonna copy-paste google's AI response <_<

AAVE is an acronym for African American Vernacular English, also known as Black English Vernacular or Ebonics. It's a unique variety of English with its own grammatical, vocabulary, and accent features, primarily spoken by African Americans, particularly in urban communities. It's also a distinct type of language from mainstream English, as it has its own unique features.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
* AAVE is a dialect:
* It's a variation of English, not a "bad" or "incorrect" version of it.
* It has its own linguistic rules:
* AAVE has unique grammatical structures and vocabulary that distinguish it from Standard English.
* It's a socially and historically significant language:
* AAVE is a reflection of the rich linguistic history and cultural traditions of African Americans.
* It's not just "slang":
* While some AAVE terms have become part of mainstream slang, AAVE is a complex and multifaceted linguistic system with its own grammar, vocabulary, and pronunciation features.
* It's a valid and important form of communication:
* Recognizing and respecting AAVE as a legitimate language is essential for understanding and valuing the diverse linguistic landscape of America.

This is what they mean surely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrZlWw8Di10

NoxObscuras posted...

Nah, unc is another one that's been around in black culture for a long time. An older friend of the family/crew would be called Uncle or Auntie even though they're not blood related. And unc is just a short version of that. Snoop Dogg calls younger people "Nephew" and that's in the same vein.

Hell in the mid 2000's we even had the late DJ Unk.

Do you believe Koreans starting using it cause of AAVE or they having already called men just barely older than them Uncle naturally did it when Korean culture became popular via KPop and all the plethora of shows like Squid Games etc (in regards to english use)

Brain rot is to blame.

Interfusor posted...

This is what they mean surely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrZlWw8Di10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUw2fIa0dSI

WingsOfGood posted...

Do you believe Koreans starting using it cause of AAVE or they having already called men just barely older than them Uncle naturally did it when Korean culture became popular via KPop and all the plethora of shows like Squid Games etc (in regards to english use)

I don't know if those are really connected as Korean has honorifics in their language. So the use case is a bit different. But I imagine that some teens probably did pick up their usage of Uncle from KPop, rather than AAVE.

KhlavicLanguage posted...

i'm just gonna copy-paste google's AI response <_<

AAVE is an acronym for African American Vernacular English, also known as Black English Vernacular or Ebonics. It's a unique variety of English with its own grammatical, vocabulary, and accent features, primarily spoken by African Americans, particularly in urban communities. It's also a distinct type of language from mainstream English, as it has its own unique features.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
* AAVE is a dialect:
* It's a variation of English, not a "bad" or "incorrect" version of it.
* It has its own linguistic rules:
* AAVE has unique grammatical structures and vocabulary that distinguish it from Standard English.
* It's a socially and historically significant language:
* AAVE is a reflection of the rich linguistic history and cultural traditions of African Americans.
* It's not just "slang":
* While some AAVE terms have become part of mainstream slang, AAVE is a complex and multifaceted linguistic system with its own grammar, vocabulary, and pronunciation features.
* It's a valid and important form of communication:
* Recognizing and respecting AAVE as a legitimate language is essential for understanding and valuing the diverse linguistic landscape of America.

I've never seen something say so much yet so little all at once.

It's not new

In years to come, common English dialect will incrementally continue to change. It's fascinating.

Not saying it's necessarily good or bad, but take the current influences and drivers of this, vs what used to drive it. Things are different now. Tastes, communication, articulation. This is how we change as a society and species.

It's true. I'm from a town many would call ghetto, and I've worked around and went to school with lots of black people, but in 2019 I began working a city over which was much less diverse, made of mostly white people.

When the phrase "cap" became common in the internet and beyond I told a coworker that the phrase has been around awhile, and if you didn't know that you've probably lived a sheltered life lol

KaZooo posted...

It's fascinating

It really is.