Current Events > NYPD now writing criminal summonses, not tickets, to bikes running red

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Antifar
05/02/25 9:28:29 AM
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https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/05/02/policy-change-nypd-will-write-criminal-summonses-not-traffic-tickets-for-cyclists

Insanely stupid, considering the prevalence of cars running red. Also part of Adams' regime trying to funnel immigrants into ICE's hands.

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NeonPhoenix
05/02/25 9:32:20 AM
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Eh, fuck them cyclists. They're always jerk offs around my area lol

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AnsestralRecall
05/02/25 9:34:12 AM
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NeonPhoenix posted...
Eh, fuck them cyclists. They're always jerk offs around my area lol

Get banned

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GenesisReturns
05/02/25 9:43:29 AM
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AnsestralRecall
05/02/25 9:50:45 AM
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GenesisReturns posted...
Good

AnsestralRecall posted...
Get banned


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voldothegr8
05/02/25 10:25:55 AM
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Want to share the road with motor vehicles, share the same laws. The entitlement never ends with cyclists.

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AnsestralRecall
05/02/25 10:28:05 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Want to share the road with motor vehicles, share the same laws. The entitlement never ends with cyclists.

They're being singled out by this while motorists get special treatment

Motorists are the problem, not cyclists.

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NeonPhoenix
05/02/25 10:33:14 AM
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Why are you stanning cyclists so hard? lol

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HashtagSEP
05/02/25 10:34:45 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Want to share the road with motor vehicles, share the same laws. The entitlement never ends with cyclists.

But the point is that they're not sharing the same laws, they're actually now being punished more than motor vehicles.

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Dungeater
05/02/25 10:35:09 AM
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rules should be enforced with equity

car drivers have a higher responsibility to adhere to the rules of the road due to the size, licensure, and potentially lethality

no one should be running reds, period. the people going "good" are doing so out of shortsighted spite

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Were_Wyrm
05/02/25 10:38:45 AM
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If I had a nickel for every time I was almost hit by a car running a red light or stop sign, I could buy tesla, amazon, and a couple of yachts.

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LSGW_Zephyra
05/02/25 10:40:23 AM
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Dungeater posted...
rules should be enforced with equity

car drivers have a higher responsibility to adhere to the rules of the road due to the size, licensure, and potentially lethality

no one should be running reds, period. the people going "good" are doing so out of shortsighted spite

This.

Why are some of you suddenly acting like ACAB isn't a thing and there is a double standard despite how cars cause infinitely more fatalities and serious injuries. Why do we treat cars like they run everything?

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bluezero
05/02/25 10:44:54 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Want to share the road with motor vehicles, share the same laws. The entitlement never ends with cyclists.
As a cyclist, I agree

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AnsestralRecall
05/02/25 11:07:56 AM
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LSGW_Zephyra posted...
This.

Why are some of you suddenly acting like ACAB isn't a thing and there is a double standard despite how cars cause infinitely more fatalities and serious injuries. Why do we treat cars like they run everything?

Addiction to cars is honestly one of the worst cultural elements of the US. Failure to build real public transportation infrastructure is criminal.

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BlackScythe0
05/02/25 11:21:29 AM
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AnsestralRecall posted...
Addiction to cars is honestly one of the worst cultural elements of the US. Failure to build real public transportation infrastructure is criminal.

Have you been to the US?
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AnsestralRecall
05/02/25 11:24:28 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Have you been to the US?

I live here. There is no excuse for the abysmal state of our public transit.

Within some cities it can be good, but overall it's awful. There is absolutely no reason for our passenger rail service to be as dreadful as it is.

"It's too big" is the worst excuse thrown out to justify the over reliance on personal vehicles

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Nemu
05/02/25 11:32:38 AM
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AnsestralRecall posted...
I live here. There is no excuse for the abysmal state of our public transit.

Within some cities it can be good, but overall it's awful. There is absolutely no reason for our passenger rail service to be as dreadful as it is.

"It's too big" is the worst excuse thrown out to justify the over reliance on personal vehicles
There can definitely be local improvement in densely populated areas, but much of the country is way too sparse for it to be particularly helpful.
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ReiRei89
05/02/25 11:35:58 AM
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They do need to ticket motorists more but also fuck anyone who runs a red light, including bikers.

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ReturnOfDevsman
05/02/25 11:38:08 AM
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Is there a difference?

I learned in school that a traffic ticket is a criminal summons that you can just plea guilty to at a police station.

(HOLY SHIT, PHONE, I KNOW WHAT I'M TYPING, DAMN!)

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Miquella
05/02/25 11:42:05 AM
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All I know is that cyclists need to be reigned in a bit. I've almost been hit because cyclists don't respect red lights. It's not just bikes either; scooters and mopeds also run red lights, and it's dangerous for pedestrians who have the right of way.

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Lobinde
05/02/25 11:44:11 AM
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AnsestralRecall posted...
I live here. There is no excuse for the abysmal state of our public transit.

Within some cities it can be good, but overall it's awful. There is absolutely no reason for our passenger rail service to be as dreadful as it is.

"It's too big" is the worst excuse thrown out to justify the over reliance on personal vehicles

That excuse becomes even more ridiculous when you see just how much high speed rail China has built over the last 10-15 years, and China is about the same size as the continental US with just as much if not more difficult terrain to build on.

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DarkAssassin89
05/02/25 11:46:38 AM
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GenesisReturns posted...
Good

Agreed. Bikes and cars alike should be getting tickets for these infractions.

edit: Please give them tickets for jumping up onto sidewalks to get ahead of cars sitting at red lights too.

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ReturnOfDevsman
05/02/25 11:47:30 AM
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AnsestralRecall posted...
I live here. There is no excuse for the abysmal state of our public transit.

Within some cities it can be good, but overall it's awful. There is absolutely no reason for our passenger rail service to be as dreadful as it is.

"It's too big" is the worst excuse thrown out to justify the over reliance on personal vehicles
The excuse is a handful of people get really damn rich this way.

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voldothegr8
05/02/25 11:51:02 AM
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Lobinde posted...
That excuse becomes even more ridiculous when you see just how much high speed rail China has built over the last 10-15 years, and China is about the same size as the continental US with just as much if not more difficult terrain to build on.
Literally 95% of the population lives on one side of the country, and they also still have fuck tons of vehicles. I believe they surpassed the US for the most.

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specialkid8
05/02/25 11:55:26 AM
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Cars here generally obey the rules. Cyclists do not care about red lights, crosswalks, one ways, or sidewalks. It's especially bad with all of the ebikes and delivery guys. If they want to be on the road they should be held especially accountable until they learn.

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Tyranthraxus
05/02/25 12:09:49 PM
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This is a dumb rule.

Can't run red but if I just head to the middle of the sidewalk and "jaybike" I'm ok.

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Antifar
05/02/25 12:36:56 PM
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Miquella posted...
All I know is that cyclists need to be reigned in a bit. I've almost been hit because cyclists don't respect red lights. It's not just bikes either; scooters and mopeds also run red lights, and it's dangerous for pedestrians who have the right of way.
Cars kill people


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Crimson_Corsair
05/02/25 12:43:23 PM
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NYPD Traffic Division Commanding Officer Inspector Brian O'Sullivan said the cops would target six violations, including reckless driving, operating under the influence of alcohol or drugs, driving the wrong way, disobeying a red light, and failure to stop at a stop sign.
"With these six violations we've identified, we're gonna utilize the criminal court summons instead of the B summons," said O'Sullivan.

Good.

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specialkid8
05/02/25 1:03:38 PM
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Antifar posted...
Cars kill people
A hundred pound ebike can kill someone too. The difference is cars are already held accountable for violations but no one is enforcing rules for bikes.

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JE19426
05/02/25 1:06:15 PM
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Nemu posted...
There can definitely be local improvement in densely populated areas, but much of the country is way too sparse for it to be particularly helpful.

You realise that theses two statements contract each other, right? The vast majority of people live in densely populated areas, that's a big part of why they are so densely populated. Furthermore the vast majority of miles traveled, in the US are locally, followed by regionally. If the US had good quality local public transport and shit national public transport, it would still be a giant improvement over what they actually had.
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Antifar
05/02/25 1:07:18 PM
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specialkid8 posted...
The difference is cars are already held accountable for violations but no one is enforcing rules for bikes.
No they aren't. To give just a couple recent examples:

https://abc7ny.com/post/miriam-yarimi-charged-brooklyn-crash-killed-3-midwood-prompts-lawmakers-demand-change-albany/16111165/
Yarimi's blue Audi A3 sedan had 99 parking and camera violations between August 2023 and March 2025, including 21 speed camera tickets and five red light tickets, with nearly $10,500 in fines, according to howsmydrivingnyc, a website that tracks violations using city data.

A vehicle with the same license plate still has $1,345 in unpaid fines, according to NYCServ.

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2024/06/27/brooklyn-pedestrian-fatally-struck-by-garbage-truck-driver-who-initially-fled-no-charges
A video of the incident posted on Citizen revealed that the truck driver, who worked for the private sanitation company D&A, stopped to allow Cox to pass in front of his cab. But before she could make it to the other sidewalk, the driver, whose name was not released by police, started moving forward, crushing her between his truck and a row of parked cars.

Cops say the driver kept going, but eventually stopped his vehicle at Third Avenue and Bergen Street, a few blocks away. It is unclear why. The driver was not charged, but a police spokesperson said the investigation is ongoing.

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2024/12/17/see-it-driver-rams-and-critically-injures-dsny-worker-no-charges
A distracted driver slammed into the back of a Department of Sanitation waste truck, severely injuring one of the agency's workers yet was not even charged with failure to exercise due care, police said.

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Nemu
05/02/25 1:21:27 PM
#33:


JE19426 posted...
You realise that theses two statements contract each other, right? The vast majority of people live in densely populated areas, that's a big part of why they are so densely populated. Furthermore the vast majority of miles traveled, in the US are locally, followed by regionally. If the US had good quality local public transport and shit national public transport, it would still be a giant improvement over what they actually had.
Most of that is going to be local to the major cities, which I'd agree certainly can be improved. In places where it can take you 15 minutes just to get from your house to the main road, there's not a ton of incentive to have a particularly robust bus system. In places where towns are 30 minutes apart, there's not going to be much incentive to have robust transportation systems between towns. There's obviously big money interests blocking the development of public transit, but it's also simply not something that's going to be innately desired in large swathes of the country.
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AnsestralRecall
05/02/25 1:24:31 PM
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Nemu posted...
Most of that is going to be local to the major cities, which I'd agree certainly can be improved. In places where it can take you 15 minutes just to get from your house to the main road, there's not a ton of incentive to have a particularly robust bus system. In places where towns are 30 minutes apart, there's not going to be much incentive to have robust transportation systems between towns. There's obviously big money interests blocking the development of public transit, but it's also simply not something that's going to be innately desired in large swathes of the country.

The problem is you think public transit needs to exist for the purposes of profit and not for the betterment of the lives of citizenry.

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badjay
05/02/25 1:25:45 PM
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Just cops lashing out at someone that's easy to ticket vs having to ticket a whole car augh. Much easier to bully a cyclist with your giant steel cage of invincibilty while flesh sack on a bicycle is a massive danger to society. A cyclist speeding at a whopping 25 MPH with sheer leg power could probably plow through SEVERAL people while steel box of safety can merely kill dozens of people speeding at a slow safe speed like 60-100 MPH.

Who do you want to ticket? Flesh sack is easy to ticket while steel box of safety it's just too god damned hard to ticket them and pull them over.

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Nemu
05/02/25 1:29:02 PM
#36:


AnsestralRecall posted...
The problem is you think public transit needs to exist for the purposes of profit and not for the betterment of the lives of citizenry.
If you're putting expensive systems in place that don't get enough usage to justify their cost, then said systems will quickly go away. I'm all for improvement in places where it's needed, but I disagree that there's utility for it everywhere country-wide.
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AnsestralRecall
05/02/25 1:32:09 PM
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Nemu posted...
If you're putting expensive systems in place that don't get enough usage to justify their cost, then said systems will quickly go away. I'm all for improvement in places where it's needed, but I disagree that there's utility for it everywhere country-wide.

It doesn't even need to be bus routes to remote locations, something as simple as having regional hubs where people can drive and park there while public transit can take over for the remainder.

Iirc this is how parts of the BART works

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chrono625
05/02/25 1:39:42 PM
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I walk in manhattan EVERY DAY. Morning and afternoon. 1 mile each way.

the amount of cars that have almost hit me PALES in comparison to cyclists and e-bikers and scooters.

Ive been hit by a cyclist before going the wrong way against a red.

fuck cyclists. They have zero liability when it comes to rules of the road.

and this isnt to say that motorists shouldnt be held equally accountable, but cyclists are just as reckless.


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LSGW_Zephyra
05/02/25 2:42:03 PM
#39:


Nemu posted...
Most of that is going to be local to the major cities, which I'd agree certainly can be improved. In places where it can take you 15 minutes just to get from your house to the main road, there's not a ton of incentive to have a particularly robust bus system. In places where towns are 30 minutes apart, there's not going to be much incentive to have robust transportation systems between towns. There's obviously big money interests blocking the development of public transit, but it's also simply not something that's going to be innately desired in large swathes of the country.

Buses, tram lines, subways. Some cities you can't even cross without it taking over 30 minutes either so what does it matter? We talk about how spread out the country is but somehow forgot that we had a (for the time) robust public transportation system. The United States wasn't made for the car, it was bulldozed for it.

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DrizztLink
05/02/25 2:49:10 PM
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Gee, I wonder if the NY "92% Of All Stop And Frisk Interactions Were With Black or Latino Men" PD is gonna NY "When Engaging In 'Broken Window Policing' Theory 91% Of Arrests Were Black Or Latino" PD it up.

I'm sure they can be trusted.

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CobraGT
05/02/25 3:56:42 PM
#41:


CE! Read the article!

Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch said new citywide strategy is meant to target "out of control" e-bikes and mopeds only, but it's already ensnaring legal riders who aren't even on electric mobility.

I do not live in NYC. There are not that many e-wheels on the sidewalk but the times I had to jump out of the way were memorable.

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AnsestralRecall
05/02/25 3:59:00 PM
#42:


CobraGT posted...
CE! Read the article!

I do not live in NYC. There are not that many e-wheels on the sidewalk but the times I had to jump out of the way were memorable.

Isn't meant to but still is affecting is a meaningless distinction

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Robot2600
05/02/25 4:04:09 PM
#43:


I'm actually of the opinion that bikes shouldn't have to obey the rules of the road in this sense. I know it's not a popular opinion, but the benefits to riding a bike are worth it.

Like, I'm sorry. Practically, when you ride a bike you need to go in the road, sidewalk, cut through parking lots, etc. I think all of that should be legal. Essentially I think being on a bike should be treated more like walking.

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CobraGT
05/02/25 4:09:59 PM
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AnsestralRecall posted...
Isn't meant to but still is affecting is a meaningless distinction


Post claims the distinction is meaningless.
Read the article! (duh) The number of criminal cases will overwhelm the city.

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Trumble
05/02/25 4:15:26 PM
#45:


AnsestralRecall posted...
The problem is you think public transit needs to exist for the purposes of profit and not for the betterment of the lives of citizenry.
Or theyre being realistic about how things are in America.

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LSGW_Zephyra
05/02/25 4:17:22 PM
#46:


CobraGT posted...
Post claims the distinction is meaningless.
Read the article! (duh) The number of criminal cases will overwhelm the city.

Looking forward to more serious crimes being lost in the shuffle while Glenn the Red Light Dasher gets 10 to 20.

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NoxObscuras
05/02/25 4:27:45 PM
#47:


Robot2600 posted...
I'm actually of the opinion that bikes shouldn't have to obey the rules of the road in this sense. I know it's not a popular opinion, but the benefits to riding a bike are worth it.

Like, I'm sorry. Practically, when you ride a bike you need to go in the road, sidewalk, cut through parking lots, etc. I think all of that should be legal. Essentially I think being on a bike should be treated more like walking.
They absolutely need to follow the rules of the road if they're going to be in the roadway. I've watched bicyclists run through stop signs at a 2 way stop intersection. That's so dangerous considering how vulnerable they are compared to cars. Bikes running red lights is just as dangerous.

That I don't agree with punishing bicyclists more harshly than cars.

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AnsestralRecall
05/02/25 4:28:34 PM
#48:


Trumble posted...
Or theyre being realistic about how things are in America. You seem to really struggle sometimes with the difference between someone saying this is how things should be vs this is how things likely will be.

Okay, and you struggle with keeping your mouth shut when you don't have anything relevant to offer

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LonelyStoner
05/02/25 4:31:22 PM
#49:


Are we going to pretend that a lot of cyclists dont abide by traffic laws while considering their bikes vehicles? You cant have your cake and it it too.

A red light is a red light. Even pedestrians follow those laws.

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AnsestralRecall
05/02/25 4:42:34 PM
#50:


Pedestrians cross when they're not supposed to all the time. Mind you pedestrian crossings are death traps in the US regardless of their behavior considering motorists have zero respect for pedestrians anyways

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