Current Events > DC Joker and and Kefka trade places...how well do they fare?

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Joker needs more plot armor than Batman to survive an old world of monsters and evil empire, learn about magic statues, find a means of air travel, and become a destroyer.

Kefka... If it's a Batman-exclusive DCU, he should be fine, but most of the Justice League universes should have enough good/bad/neutral magic users to stop even his ultimate form. It's questionable who is morre sane, but Joker is definitely more kunning and manipulative than Kef, and many badguys still know better than to trust the J.

Without the statues I don't really see Kefka amounting to much. Batman will defeat him and foil every one of his plans. I don't think Kefka is smart enough to play Mxyzptlk the same way Joker did.

Joker will be able to do everything Kefka did but he'll be weaker without the base Magitek Knight infusion so he loses in the end anyway. Assuming he doesn't become catatonic from no Batman.

stickign strictly to batman related stuff kefka stomps with his magic

he can level entire city blocks before batman has time to prep

joker gets stomped in FF6 with out his plot armor

AceMos posted...

stickign strictly to batman related stuff kefka stomps with his magic

he can level entire city blocks before batman has time to prep

joker gets stomped in FF6 with out his plot armor

No statues means Kefka has no magic.

Tyranthraxus posted...

No statues means Kefka has no magic.

The court mage of the Gestahlian Empire, Kefka was their first experimental Magitek Knight, giving him the ability to use magic. However, the process was not yet perfected and the infusion damaged Kefka's mind, transforming him into a maniacal harlequin with an unquenchable thirst for blood.

^ Kef was a magic-infused general before touching the statues.

WingsOfGood posted...

The court mage of the Gestahlian Empire, Kefka was their first experimental Magitek Knight, giving him the ability to use magic. However, the process was not yet perfected and the infusion damaged Kefka's mind, transforming him into a maniacal harlequin with an unquenchable thirst for blood.

It gave him the ability to use magic but without the statues there isn't any magic for him to use.

You have the ability to drink water, but the river is dry, so to speak. No statues = no magic. Even Espers can't survive.

I don't know enough about Kefka to state anything about him. Joker would fail though, possibly even on purpose, as ruling the world would be far too bland of a thing for him.

Umm Kefka knows magic and is a soldier who knows how to fight.

Tyranthraxus posted...

It gave him the ability to use magic but without the statues there isn't any magic for him to use.

You have the ability to drink water, but the river is dry, so to speak. No statues = no magic. Even Espers can't survive.

kinda defeats the purpose of topics like this when you say stuff like that

AceMos posted...

kinda defeats the purpose of topics like this when you say stuff like that

Even if you give Kefka his base magic he's got mid level shit like fira and bio. Batman has dealt with way more dangerous stuff.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Even if you give Kefka his base magic he's got mid level shit like fira and bio. Batman has dealt with way more dangerous stuff.

so you have never actually played FF6 cus kefka uses alot more spells than that long before he becomes a god

AceMos posted...

so you have never actually played FF6 cus kefka uses alot more spells than that long before he becomes a god

No what I'm saying is Mr. Freeze could Solo the whole Gestahlian Empire.

Batman could take World of Balance Kefka, but not World of Ruin Kefka.

Joker wouldnt last five minutes in FFVIs world. Either version.

Tyranthraxus posted...

No what I'm saying is Mr. Freeze could Solo the whole Gestahlian Empire.

wut

AceMos posted...

stickign strictly to batman related stuff kefka stomps with his magic

Strictly sticking to Batman stuff he did just fine versus Superman, who is absolutely stronger than Kefka at all points, and has gained the ability to counter magic on, like, a dozen different iterations. So whether he beats Kefka by making it so magic is "turned off" for an extended period while he beats Kefka or he reverses the flow of magic back into Kefka the golden rule is that for any long standing comic series versus literally anyone else it is best to assume that they win unless it is expressly stated that it is a limited iteration of them.

I think both lose but Kefka holds his own longer. Joker would be put in a world of magic and would be low level fodder to the FF 6 team. They have no problem killing.

Kefka was weak initially but could still hold his own. He has magic and is cunning. If its just batman were talking about then he would probably put up a fight and get taken down somehow. DC is big though and even at full power he would only be a threat to some of the weaker heroes like Batman.

ellis123 posted...

Strictly sticking to Batman stuff he did just fine versus Superman, who is absolutely stronger than Kefka at all points, and has gained the ability to counter magic on, like, a dozen different iterations. So whether he beats Kefka by making it so magic is "turned off" for an extended period while he beats Kefka or he reverses the flow of magic back into Kefka the golden rule is that for any long standing comic series versus literally anyone else it is best to assume that they win unless it is expressly stated that it is a limited iteration of them.

I wouldn't say he did just fine versus Superman but considering the power difference, even when he gets his ass beat any fight against Superman lasting more than 1 second is functionally a win.

ellis123 posted...

Strictly sticking to Batman stuff he did just fine versus Superman, who is absolutely stronger than Kefka at all points, and has gained the ability to counter magic on, like, a dozen different iterations. So whether he beats Kefka by making it so magic is "turned off" for an extended period while he beats Kefka or he reverses the flow of magic back into Kefka the golden rule is that for any long standing comic series versus literally anyone else it is best to assume that they win unless it is expressly stated that it is a limited iteration of them.

stopped reading the moment you mentioned superman because everything else after that is factually wrong

batman has NEVER done "just fine" against superman in canon comics batman has never done even subpar he gets curb stomped even when given super powers anytime he goes up against superman

and the way batman is written outside of his main comics is different than how he is written in his comics

he does not have access to all that super anti god stuff or anything

AceMos posted...

stopped reading the moment you mentioned superman because everything else after that is factually wrong

batman has NEVER done "just fine" against superman in canon comics batman has never done even subpar he gets curb stomped even when given super powers anytime he goes up against superman

and the way batman is written outside of his main comics is different than how he is written in his comics

he does not have access to all that super anti god stuff or anything

Then explain how Kefka wins with no magic.

And the point was more that Batman didn't just instantly lose, of which Kefka certainly would.

Depends on if the statues go to Arkham with him. If Kefka still gets to leech from the gods Batman probably dies fairly quickly. If he doesnt then Kefka probably gets throttled fairly quickly.

Not familiar enough with the Joker to know exactly how well he'd fare.

ellis123 posted...

Then explain how Kefka wins with no magic.

And the point was more that Batman didn't just instantly lose, of which Kefka certainly would.

kefka HAS his magic thoe

kinda a pointless discussion if he dosent have his magic

AceMos posted...

kefka HAS his magic thoe

kinda a pointless discussion if he dosent have his magic

Ye, and Batman has the ability to counter his magic. Meaning, versus specifically DC and not DCU Batman, Kefka cannot use magic. Hence why I already pointed out that the whole thing was dumb with my initial post. Sort of a "poll for people who know jack" trap.

AceMos posted...

kefka HAS his magic thoe

kinda a pointless discussion if he dosent have his magic

It's a pointless discussion either way.

Batman's suit will protect him from lighting because it's an insulator and fire magic because of flameproof coating. Final Fantasy ice magic ain't shit compared to Mr Freeze. Poison? Confusion? Other statuses? Batman regularly deals with that shit from Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, and Mad Hatter. Instant Death? Batman dodged the literally undodgeable Omega Beams.

Simply put, WOB Kefka has no chance against Batman.

joker wins, kefka loses

idk who kefka is but batman has it handled

joker without a leash is unshtoppable

Dungeater posted...

joker wins, kefka loses

idk who kefka is but batman has it handled

joker without a leash is unshtoppable

Joker living in a world where literally nobody is going to complain when they shove an axe into his skull is a lot more stoppable.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Joker living in a world where literally nobody is going to complain when they shove an axe into his skull is a lot more stoppable.

good luck to them

Tyranthraxus posted...

Joker living in a world where literally nobody is going to complain when they shove an axe into his skull is a lot more stoppable.

The bigger issue for Joker would be his absolute dependence on screwing with Batman. With no Batman he'd probably just spiral into depression.

Unless he became a samurai...

Even if no one else could beat him, Joker would stop himself. The goal was ruling the world, and that's just not something that Joker would care about.

Dungeater posted...

good luck to them

Don't really need luck. Magog kills Joker with a "super power" that is basically just a really convoluted gun.

Kefka somehow gets Mr. Mxyzptlk's powers.

How fucked is everyone?

CastletonSnob1 posted...

Kefka somehow gets Mr. Mxyzptlk's powers.

How fucked is everyone?

Mxyzptlk is pretty much just below Lucifer Morningstar in power so everyone is max fucked.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Mxyzptlk is pretty much just below Lucifer Morningstar in power so everyone is max fucked.

It was a reference to the time the Joker got Mxyzptlk's powers and became Emperor Joker.

CastletonSnob1 posted...

It was a reference to the time the Joker got Mxyzptlk's powers and became Emperor Joker.

Yeah I know. I mentioned it in post #3. I don't think Kefka is smart enough to pull it off.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Don't really need luck. Magog kills Joker with a "super power" that is basically just a really convoluted gun.

i wish him the best of luck

Kefka might win, Joker definitely loses right at Figaro Castle.

Locke, Edgar, and Terra are all stronger right off the bat, and at least two of them would have no moral qualms about killing a bad guy right away.

I can't see Joker beating Terra or Celes. Terra is like one of the top 5 strongest Final Fantasy protagonists.

K181 posted...

Kefka might win, Joker definitely loses right at Figaro Castle.

Locke, Edgar, and Terra are all stronger right off the bat, and at least two of them would have no moral qualms about killing a bad guy right away.

Don't forget Sabin.

CastletonSnob1 posted...

Don't forget Sabin.

Sure (and my initial typo), but my point is that Joker would get killed basically as soon as he got introduced at Figaro before Sabin was playable.

CastletonSnob1 posted...

Don't forget Sabin.

I don't think Terra or Sabin would kill so easily at the beginning of the game. Terra feels really bad about it when she was enslaved and Sabin didn't kill Vargas.

I think Kefka's got this. Especially depending on what version of him. Sure we're not using his God form, but if this is post-Thamasa Kefka, he's absorbed lots of espers and may already be the most powerful being in the world aside from the Warring Triad.

Joker's got no chance.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I don't think Terra or Sabin would kill so easily at the beginning of the game. Terra feels really bad about it when she was enslaved and Sabin didn't kill Vargas.

It's also pretty dubious if Joker could get to anything enough that even Edgar would kill him that early.

Or if that was specifically the spot that he would even start at. He could just as easily be in the Empire.

ellis123 posted...

It's also pretty dubious if Joker could get to anything enough that even Edgar would kill him that early.

Or if that was specifically the spot that he would even start at. He could just as easily be in the Empire.

If he's serving the Empire he might lose even faster. He'd kill a couple of Imperial soldiers for the heck of it and then they'd declare him a traitor and wipe him out with Magitek armor

Letsago posted...

If he's serving the Empire he might lose even faster. He'd kill a couple of Imperial soldiers for the heck of it and then they'd declare him a traitor and wipe him out with Magitek armor

If he's serving the empire it's probably in the same capacity as Kefka who got away with killing empire soldiers all the time.

Tyranthraxus posted...

If he's serving the empire it's probably in the same capacity as Kefka who got away with killing empire soldiers all the time.

Kefka can get away with it because he has the trust of Gestahl. Gestahl probably wouldn't put up with Joker, who has no magic, doing that

Kefka proved himself as a general before he went insane from the botched magic-infusion and was still useful after it. Joker, knowing nothing about the world he's in, doesn't really offer much. It's questionable that he'd even be allowed to join the empire, much less, prove to be an asset worth tolerating his nonsense.

Letsago posted...

Kefka can get away with it because he has the trust of Gestahl. Gestahl probably wouldn't put up with Joker, who has no magic, doing that

While insane, the Joker has shown to plan ahead. So if he found out about magic his killings would likely be in the service of getting said magic in order to sow more chaos.

These sorts of things are always silly but Kefka wins easily, Joker probably loses but maybe has a 50/50 chance if he can worm his way into the empire and get infused with magic like Kefka was. He'd have to play a long game though cause he stands no chance in his base form. But if he's got there he's basically the same thing as Kefka.