Current Events > Watching the soul sucked out of something via Capitalism in 1 picture

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Oh, wait, we're counting "The manager did his job for money" as "effort and care," now? Now I see how low the bar was.

"The manager had to serve a bunch of kids. So much effort, so much care!"

WingsOfGood posted...

oh is that why they hired a guy to dressup like Ronald McDonald?

is that why they had little hates tailor made for birthday parties?

"Here is your burger get outta my sight!"

Look man I was a kid in the 80s & 90s too, but I was raised in NYC and this wasn't McDonald's for me. The play place was poor quality compared to free shit at the school playground. The only thing they had that I couldn't easily find a better version of somewhere else was a ball pit. It was a fun little place to get Happy Meal toys but those toys were such poor quality even in the 80s.

But I do remember being very excited about one thing at McDonald's. It was literally the monopoly game. How the hell do you get more capitalist than selling Gacha stickers to literally kids?

HashtagSEP posted...

Oh, wait, we're counting "The manager did his job for money" as "effort and care," now? Now I see how low the bar was.

your argument is a guy doing his job for money goes

HashtagSEP posted...

They were also "Here's your f***ing burger" in the 90s, too.

now all the sudden you change the goalposts to

"hello, having a good day? oh whatever you need! I am here to help!"

is what you said?

NO YOU FUCKING DIDN'T

Tyranthraxus posted...

Look man I was a kid in the 80s & 90s too, but I was raised in NYC and this wasn't McDonald's for me. The play place was poor quality compared to free shit at the school playground. The only thing they had that I couldn't easily find a better version of somewhere else was a ball pit. It was a fun little place to get Happy Meal toys but those toys were such poor quality even in the 80s.

But I do remember being very excited about one thing at McDonald's. It was literally the monopoly game. How the hell do you get more capitalist than selling Gacha stickers to literally kids?

Actually, yeah, the Monopoly game was my favorite thing, too.

Like said, I had a birthday party at McDonald's. It wasn't a large cake and somebody dressed as Ronald or any of that. It was "Okay we closed off a few tables in the center. Here's the drop straws in a cup game. Here's pin the Ronald nose on Grimace but warning the sheet is torn because it's 10 years old and it's the only one we have. Here's the food you paid for. Okay bye."

WingsOfGood posted...

now all the sudden you change the goalposts to

"hello, having a good day? oh whatever you need! I am here to help!"

is what you said?

NO YOU FUCKING DIDN'T

...Wow the bar has gotten so low it's in the ground.

HashtagSEP posted...

...Wow the bar has gotten so low it's in the ground.

your are the one who made it

the argument started in post 39
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/81005119/985581978

you

They were also "Here's your f***ing burger" in the 90s, too. They just tried harder to draw in kids in the 90s so that kids would drag their parents there and they could "Here's your f***ing burger" to more people. Nothing has changed other than market research on what will get them the best opportunity to "Here's your f***ing burger."

The reason they don't have the fun stuff now isn't due to losing their soul, the reason is that if they did, they'd come under fire for so heavily marketing fast food to kids during times of obesity.

you literally said

"here is your FUCKING burger" 3 times

I replied

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/81005119/985581996

are you a zoomer of just have a bad memory?

they hosted literal birthday parties at McDonalds and the manager would do their best to make everyone happy

the argument is they didn't just go
"here is your fucking burger"

now you can say they did it for the money but that is not your original argument

and it wasn't hard to find pictures of a smiling managing bringing a cake or a dude dressed as Ronald

and maybe that didn't happen at all McDonalds, maybe they paid more for it

the POINT though is that is MORE than saying
"here is your fucking burger!"

and you know it

even the cleanup afterwards is more work than just "here is your fucking burger"

Okay, now I feel bad because you're acting like somebody just stole your puppy.

I'm sorry. You're right. McDonald's wasn't a corporation, it was a friend. It was family.

McDonald's was there when you lost your first tooth, putting a shiny quarter under your pillow. McDonald's was there when you got rejected by your first crush, letting you know there are more fish in the sea. McDonald's taught you how to play teeball, and went to all of your games. McDonald's was there to help Dom Toretto when he and his gang needed it most.

McDonald's was life, and it certainly didn't start partaking in capitalism until exactly 2020.

HashtagSEP posted...

I'm sorry. You're right. McDonald's wasn't a corporation, it was a friend. It was family.

do you live in Ohio cause that is one of the biggest strawmen I ever seen

never know why a CEman can't just admit their take was wrong lmao

do you think corporations can't have soul while making money?

early Blizzard was soulless?

like holy moly this is not a hard concept that the drive to cut costs to make MORE money drains the soul

edit: also the dudes in the 90s were probably paid relatively better encouraging them to do more than just here is your fucking burger which again reinforces my point

They didn't lose their soul, they're protecting their image by making it less obvious that they're peddling obesity to children.

It would still be colorful if they weren't called out for that.

Weird, it's almost like McDonald's is a franchise with 9 million locations, and the management at each one doesn't all act in exactly the same way.

Your literal argument for "They had soul" is based on:

1. A misleading picture in the OP
2. "The employees smiled!"

Think about that.

MisterPengy posted...

Weird, it's almost like McDonald's is a franchise with 9 million locations, and the management at each one doesn't all act in exactly the same way.

Exactly. The corporation never had "soul." Individual managers/employees may have, but it wasn't because of McDonald's. It was because they were good people, which you can find anywhere, in any era.

I feel like this topic is a very effective PSA on why getting into arguments on the internet isn't worth it

MisterPengy posted...

Weird, it's almost like McDonald's is a franchise with 9 million locations, and the management at each one doesn't all act in exactly the same way.

in the 90s they only had around 10,000

almost like you just proved my point for me

harder to keep the soul with 9 million locations

Tyranthraxus posted...

The play place was poor quality compared to free shit at the school playground.

personally I remember it being a little better than the school playground stuff but honestly as a kid I think most of my excitement around that kind of thing was not from the objective quality of the play place, but because you got to have one at a restaurant. Like, of course school has one, you go there every day it's totally normal. But at a place you go to eat out once every few months and they have a different one? Now that's super cool

the reason why mcdonald's ditched the kids play areas is because it was a huge insurance liability and a pain in the ass to actually keep up and maintain and clean

we've all stepped in piss in the ball pit, don't act like you haven't

HashtagSEP posted...

"The employees smiled!"

is that going "here is your fucking burger"

yes or no?

I bet you will ignore my question

once again in post 39 you said that line 3 times

THREE WHOLE TIMES

WingsOfGood posted...

is that going "here is your fucking burger"

yes or no?

I bet you will ignore my question

once again in post 39 you said that line 3 times

THREE WHOLE TIMES

Yes. Anybody can fake a smile when they have to. I smiled at customers all the time when I was a manager at Kmart. Did Kmart have soul? No. Did I like my job? Hell no.

WingsOfGood posted...

is that going "here is your fucking burger"

yes or no?

I bet you will ignore my question

once again in post 39 you said that line 3 times

THREE WHOLE TIMES

This is such a wild meltdown to be having over your nostalgia for Mickey D's, which has factually been corporate capitalist slop since long before the 90s.

HashtagSEP posted...

Yes. Anybody can fake a smile when they have to.

so delivering a cake with a happy smile is what....you meant.....by here is your fucking burger?

so today I go and see happy people going out of their way for me right?

ConfusedTorchic posted...

the reason why mcdonald's ditched the kids play areas is because it was a huge insurance liability and a pain in the ass to actually keep up and maintain and clean

we've all stepped in piss in the ball pit, don't act like you haven't

I haven't but for a completely different reason. I wisely stopped going anywhere near that shit once I saw a kid puking in the jungle gym and realized instantly that shit probably happens all the time.

WingsOfGood posted...

so delivering a cake with a happy smile is what....you meant.....by here is your fucking burger?

so today I go and see happy people going out of their way for me right?

An employee faking a smile and bringing you the food you paid for is "here is your fucking burger," yes. 90% chance that employee doesn't give a damn about you. They're doing their job. They are NOT going "out of their way" for you.

If that is going "out of their way" to you, then yes, restaurants all over go "out of their way" for you and are apparently full of soul and not capitalism!

HashtagSEP posted...

An employee faking a smile and bringing you the food you paid for is "here is your fucking burger," yes. 90% chance that employee doesn't give a damn about you. They're doing their job. They are NOT going "out of their way" for you.

If that is going "out of their way" to you, then yes, restaurants all over go "out of their way" for you and are apparently full of soul and not capitalism!

HashtagSEP posted...

The only thing they did was have us play "Who can drop the most straws in the cup." That was literally it.

HashtagSEP posted...

You're just going to keep desperately cherry-picking images that come from probably the same like, dozen locations because it wasn't actually corporate policy

interesting

WingsOfGood posted...

interesting

I can assure you "drop straws in the cup" was not a corporate policy game. It was a "We have to do something because they paid for this" game. Though if it WAS a corporate policy game... That's certainly not "soul."

You're really... wait for it

wait for it

grasping at straws, here.

HashtagSEP posted...

I can assure you "drop straws in the cup" was not a corporate policy game. It was a "We have to do something because they paid for this" game. Though if it WAS a corporate policy game... That's certainly not "soul."

You're really... wait for it

wait for it

grasping at straws, here.

You forget your own posts?

The not corporate policy was a different post lmao

wingsofgood

oh is that why they hired a guy to dressup like Ronald McDonald?

is that why they had little hats tailor made for birthday parties?

"Here is your burger get outta my sight!"

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f7e11ccf.jpg

Hastagsep

You're just going to keep desperately cherry-picking images that come from probably the same like, dozen locations because it wasn't actually corporate policy, so that you can insist "McDonald's didn't used to be capitalism, because I liked it as a kid" huh.

The not corporate policy over the course of this argument morphed into OF COURSE they did that cause they were paid to do so they secretly don't care about you!

interesting

They're the same picture.

The only thing that changed was what made the company the most money.

McDonald's was not ruined by capitalism. Mcdonald always WAS capitalism.

Deej posted...

I feel like this topic is a very effective PSA on why getting into arguments on the internet isn't worth it

thanks you for your post ing

I'm going to let you keep having your meltdown over realizing that McDonald's was always a corporation that never cared about you.

I have to leave on that amazing pun in the last post.

HashtagSEP posted...

I'm going to let you keep having your meltdown over realizing that McDonald's was always a corporation that never cared about you.

I have to leave on that amazing pun in the last post.

lmao

Toonstrack posted...

They're the same picture.

The only thing that changed was what made the company the most money.

McDonald's was not ruined by capitalism. Mcdonald always WAS capitalism.

do you think anything that makes money cannot have soul?

all video games are soulless cash grabs? every single one? (well other than those that made no money)

Oh, good, no one has posted Mc Barge yet.
*Ahem*

Then:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/41b3a43e.jpg

Now:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3a0c7e42.jpg

WingsOfGood posted...

do you think anything that makes money cannot have soul?

Of course not. But Mickey Ds has kinda always been on that spectrum being 90% corporatist stuff

WingsOfGood posted...

do you think anything that makes money cannot have soul?

all video games are soulless cash grabs? every single one? (well other than those that made no money)

You're confusing McDonald's, the quintessential capitalist machine, for random, individual people who have worked at some of the franchises. McDonald's never had "soul" and doing fun stuff was not an inherent aspect of the corporate establishment. There are probably still people who do fun stuff with their franchises, but it has nothing to do with the "soul" of McDonald's. As stated above, your initial picture comparison is not a difference of soul or heart, but a change in costs, demographics, and marketing.

Remember when, from like 2005-2015, Nintendo changed their iconic logo from red to grey?

What dark times those were. Thank goodness they wizened up.

"The evils of capitalism "

So edgy and as original as a ham sandwich

The giant vertical playground of old McDonald's had the bombest birthday parties