Current Events > Damn Nintendo really did kill Mario Kart online

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I've done like a 2 dozen races and only 8 of them completed, the other disconnected mid race, some at top 8&4

It also seems laggier than normal too.

Shit sucks. You lose points every time it does that, too. Practically nobody is above 9000 anymore I'm seeing countless 8k.

Oh well just play one of their other first party releases for the Switch 2

Who could have guessed that doing the exact opposite of what your playerbase wanted might have led to adverse results?

I haven't played online in a few days (been mostly trying to complete the free roam stuff) but that sucks if true. I imagine many people are just going back to Mario Kart 8 DX.

I really feel for top streamers, watching their recent content and they all just sound horribly defeated over the whole thing. Guys who are normally upbeat and positive. Just watch the opening monologue of this guy's vid and then the last few minutes lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD4tLfqAPgU

Fastest selling console in their history, despite being blatantly anticonsumer btw.
$80 game btw.

I never had any problems matchmaking before the patch, but now when I play I usually only have like 10-12 racers instead of the full 24. Every time. Are people really this upset about it??

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If they remastered F-Zero GX with 30 player multiplayer that would be incredible

MK8D is so much better it's ridiculous

Kaldrenthebold posted...

MK8D is so much better it's ridiculous

They had ten years to add on to that.

Give it some time. It's in its infancy.

-ZIO- posted...

They had ten years to add on to that.

Give it some time. It's in its infancy.

Worlds current online issues are fundamentally different than any problems seen with even base Mario kart 8 though.

The game has a respectable amount of content and characters on release. The problem is that Nintendo doesnt want you to be able to choose how you experience that content online

-ZIO- posted...

They had ten years to add on to that.

Give it some time. It's in its infancy.

A number of the issues I've heard about the game come from the actual game mechanics such as the increased number of characters in the race. MK8 was solid even before it got a ton of tracks added.

From a mechanics perspective MKW is fantastic and the tracks are wonderfully designed to take advantage. The issue is Nintendo being bullheaded as usual and mostly forcing players in Worldwide to endure the straight lines. In higher VR rooms half the players are bagging now because why try to front run when it's so much more stressful and probably less successful.

voldothegr8 posted...

From a mechanics perspective MKW is fantastic and the tracks are wonderfully designed to take advantage. The issue is Nintendo being bullheaded as usual and mostly forcing players in Worldwide to endure the straight lines. In higher VR rooms half the players are bagging now because why try to front run when it's so much more stressful and probably less successful.

But the problems you listed here are problems with the mechanics...

Enclave posted...

But the problems you listed here are problems with the mechanics...

Course selection isn't a driving mechanic <_<

Maybe its due to their ego but Nintendo has always seemed to have a huge issue with its players not playing their games as intended.

So they do petty things such as this just to spite them.

-ZIO- posted...

They had ten years to add on to that.

Give it some time. It's in its infancy.

A lot of the problems are simply because Nintendo decided they know best. This was not a transformative game like they tried to make it seem. It's fundamentally flawed at a base level. Like I play a racing game to race on cool tracks. Not for the open world bloat. I was mad enough when burnout Paradise made burnout not nearly as good as previously. Open world adds nothing that the DS version with the challenge mode didn't do.

After 11 years this was the best they had? It's very annoying.

Evolician posted...

I never had any problems matchmaking before the patch, but now when I play I usually only have like 10-12 racers instead of the full 24. Every time. Are people really this upset about it??

Bot looby's aren't that fun, but I can understand say 2-5 bots

If it's 6 humans and the rest bots it's a problem. Bots are draft feeders and they aren't chaotic and aggressive like humans. Those races basically don't start until top 8.

Not the end of the world, but I like snatching victory from humans not Cpu unless I choose to

$80 dollar game

Should flop and get a $20 sale

Kaldrenthebold posted...

After 11 years this was the best they had? It's very annoying.

Fortunately, Shinen has an answer for you.

It, too, is experiencing its own controversies.

24 player races were a MASSIVE mistake

Being in the middle so dangerous you might as well be last until you cross the checkpoint

voldothegr8 posted...

Course selection isn't a driving mechanic <_<

Those largely straight in between "tracks" are absolutely a mechanic and an unpopular enough one that a change to random that makes them able to show up more results in a huge response from a fairly significant number of players to be quite upset.

Also you brought up people bagging, the reason to do that is due to the games mechanics, the way item distribution works (a game mechanic) encourages the practice.

Ultimately I think what Nintendo needs to do is to course-correct quickly. Add race preference options to random racing instead of only limiting it to local, friends, or private lobbies. Said preferences will include options like item customization, speed preference, default or 3-lap courses only...you know, like how even MK8 offered before they removed it in the re-release. I dunno what their issue is with limiting online options in Mario Kart recently.

BakonBitz posted...

I dunno what their issue is with limiting online options in Mario Kart recently.

Nintendo doesn't like you playing their games in any way but ways they personally approve of.

BakonBitz posted...

I dunno what their issue is with limiting online options in Mario Kart recently.

They're being prideful idiots. There's 202 straight line tracks and 30 traditional, and they didn't like how higher VR rooms were largely choosing random to get traditional tracks and ignoring the other 202 lines of bullshit.

Buying this game was a mistake. I should have just bought the standalone console.

I played it once and right away I knew the game would struggle to hook me.

Enclave posted...

Nintendo doesn't like you playing their games in any way but ways they personally approve of.

Them patching out the efficient item dupe glitches in totk actually made me stop playing it. I wouldve played that game for 100 more hours if the resource grind wasnt absolutely terrible, and they apparently didnt like that it could be skipped

I get why dupes and stuff are patched out of games that have economies and online play, but why do single player games need to be fixed this way

Dakimakura posted...

Oh well just play one of their other first party releases for the Switch 2

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8a68a611.jpg

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Fastest selling console in their history, despite being blatantly anticonsumer btw.
$80 game btw.

America has been tripping over itself to prove how ignorant and dumb and self harming it's populace is for a while now.

Dakimakura posted...

Oh well just play one of their other first party releases for the Switch 2

I love that this is the second post in the topic.

Dont get me wrong, Nintendo have plenty of time to make the Switch 2 a good console, but at the moment, it seems like an absolute disaster. Of course, people will buy it in droves anyway, but thats not really the point Im making.

mybbqrules posted...

America has been tripping over itself to prove how ignorant and dumb and self harming it's populace is for a while now.

This was a worldwide phenomenon tho.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Them patching out the efficient item dupe glitches in totk actually made me stop playing it. I wouldve played that game for 100 more hours if the resource grind wasnt absolutely terrible, and they apparently didnt like that it could be skipped

I get why dupes and stuff are patched out of games that have economies and online play, but why do single player games need to be fixed this way

Just don't go telling people on the TotK board that or they'll get real angry. At least they did back near its launch when people would complain about just how incredibly grindy it is.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Fastest selling console in their history, despite being blatantly anticonsumer btw.
$80 game btw.

PS5 and Xbox games aren't much cheaper, they go for $70, what's your point?

TyVulpine posted...

PS5 and Xbox games aren't much cheaper, they go for $70, what's your point?

I don't know, what's your point? Why are you bringing M$ and Sony into the conversation as if they aren't dog shit too?
At least Sony didn't announce they're rising the price of their games to $80 as well, 5 minutes after Nintendo did. Unlike M$, selling the most mid games possible.

I felt like they were going to support this game for the rest of Switch 2's lifespan. It will likely get a ton of new features and course correct things...but the problem is when that happens because they have a history of dragging their feet for updates and progress.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

I don't know, what's your point? Why are you bringing M$ and Sony into the conversation as if they aren't dog shit too?
At least Sony didn't announce they're rising the price of their games to $80 as well, 5 minutes after Nintendo did. Unlike M$, selling the most mid games possible.

My point is, a $10 price difference is hardly a valid reason to bellyache. Some people like to yell at clouds, then cry when called out for it....

F-Zero 99 is a better game.

imo the biggest issue is the 24 racers and the tracks being waaaay to wide to accommodate them There's no skill left in the game for the most part at all. The tracks are all ez mode

Glob posted...

I love that this is the second post in the topic.

Dont get me wrong, Nintendo have plenty of time to make the Switch 2 a good console, but at the moment, it seems like an absolute disaster. Of course, people will buy it in droves anyway, but thats not really the point Im making.

I think Nintendo was a little overconfident in Mario Kart World and some third-parties that most people have already played would carry the launch. They are still following the "make sure there's at least one big first-party release per month" strategy, let's see if it still pays off. I do think DK Bananza should've been a launch title alongside Mario Kart though at the very least.

BakonBitz posted...

I think Nintendo was a little overconfident in Mario Kart World and some third-parties that most people have already played would carry the launch. They are still following the "make sure there's at least one big first-party release per month" strategy, let's see if it still pays off. I do think DK Bananza should've been a launch title alongside Mario Kart though at the very least.

i understand Mario kart as a sole launch title for business reasons, but as a player its just not the kinda game I solely play for long periods of a time like the sandbox Zeldas or 3d Mario.

Its one of those games that youll play forever, but as a side thing between other games for me. Its no doubt one of the highest selling series for Nintendo, but I dont think it can hold its own as a game as a flagship launch with nothing alongside it tbh. I agree that bonanza absolutely shouldve launched with it.

I think any console launch should have more than 1 big first party game in general tho unless its something monumental like BOTW that could reasonably hold a player until the next games come out

have there been connection/stability issues?

I just play Knockout Tour and it feels the same as before

Isn't there still a pretty easy way to dupe in TotK? The glide into dropping items and whatnot
doshindude posted...

F-Zero 99 is a better game.

Also true

legendarylemur posted...

Isn't there still a pretty easy way to dupe in TotK? The glide into dropping items and whatnot

Also true

Theyve never been able to fully get rid of item duping, but they did their best to make it as annoying and low yield as possible. As far as Im aware there arent any methods that are as easy or high yield like there were in the early versions.

Maybe new methods have been found, but when my game auto updated and there werent new methods readily available at the time I just stopped playing and was soured enough to not go back

legendarylemur posted...

Isn't there still a pretty easy way to dupe in TotK? The glide into dropping items and whatnot

Is there? I remember playing at launch and they seemed to be really intent on removing them all.

They tried to remove duping but I think a brand new method got introduced thanks to the Zelda Notes app feature. You can dupe items by saving first, putting up to 10 items in a QR Code for distribution, then reload and scan the code yourself. It's slow though, you can only scan the same QR Code once every 24 hours. Because of the way it works I don't really seeing them patching it. Even if it did force a manual save you can easily just go back to an auto-save before you deposited the items you want to dupe.

It really is a shame how Nintendo fucked up Mario Kart. I really have a hard time believing the developers making this thought "the player wants to drive in a straight line with no consistent theme and boring visual design"

Must have been higher ups demanding an open world MK at all costs.