Current Events > Official Pokemon account randomly posting/asking about Black and White

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I love Black and White, and desperately don't want them to be another lazy-ass ILCA cash grab.

Not that it matters; B2W2 are vastly superior games, IMO the best pokemon has ever been, and there's basically a 0% chance those are getting the remake treatment.

SAlYAN posted...

I love Black and White, and desperately don't want them to be another lazy-ass ILCA cash grab.

Not that it matters; B2W2 are vastly superior games, IMO the best pokemon has ever been, and there's basically a 0% chance those are getting the remake treatment.

They are making 4 of them. White / White 2, White / Black 2, Black / White 2, Black / Black 2

All four have different exclusive Pokemon

Please let them get proper remakes and not another BDSP trainwreck.

SAlYAN posted...

another lazy-ass ILCA cash grab.

ILCA actually is capable of a lot more, as they have developed much grander games, and concept art for BDSP showed that they did have some greater ambitions for the game. However, they were rushed to make the game, resulting in what we got.

Kind of crazy that based on standard timelines the remakes probably wouldn't come out until 2028 anyways, which would be 18 years after they were originally released (jesus christ)

A remake of B/W would be something I dream of. And I hope it would come to Switch 1 as well.

Kaldrenthebold posted...

A remake of B/W would be something I dream of. And I hope it would come to Switch 1 as well.

.... in what bizarre reality do you live where that's even a remote possibility?

It would be amazing if they combined B&W1 and 2 into one game somehow. Yeah, it doesn't quite work, but I just want something cool for these games that isn't soulless like the Gen 4 remakes.

Isn't there a Black and White themed card set coming out like next week?

MuscleRobo posted...

Isn't there a Black and White themed card set coming out like next week?

Yes. That's the precise reason why the Pokemon accounts are talking about BW.

It's not about remakes. And, in fact, if remakes were to come soon, they actually wouldn't be talking about them, and the only hints you would see is suspicious treatment of certain Pokemon in the latest games. For instance, Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde are absent from Scarlet and Violet, and what are we getting next? A Kalos Legends game.

SAlYAN posted...

.... in what bizarre reality do you live where that's even a remote possibility?

Because I assume Nintendo is a smart business that understands leaving 120+ million users out for a potential just 1:1 remake like D/P would be a good idea. In what bizarre reality do you live where cross generation games don't exist anymore?

Honestly, all the stuff ILCA was able to do with BDSP beyond their coat of paint was really good. The Underground was a really cool change, the art style was great, the post game stuff and gym leader rematches etc... were all great, etc...

The fact that we ended up just letting the narrative be that BDSP was lazy garbage take over before the game even came out was unfair. It's the best "classic" pokemon game that's come out in like 10+ years.

I'd be happy to see them get a chance to actually go all out with BW remakes, especially since the main story around BDSP was it being shoved onto ILCA at the last minute when it turned out they weren't gonna be able to drop PLA in time for the holidays.

Proto_Spark posted...

Honestly, all the stuff ILCA was able to do with BDSP beyond their coat of paint was really good. The Underground was a really cool change, the art style was great, the post game stuff and gym leader rematches etc... were all great, etc...

The fact that we ended up just letting the narrative be that BDSP was lazy garbage take over before the game even came out was unfair. It's the best "classic" pokemon game that's come out in like 10+ years.

I'd be happy to see them get a chance to actually go all out with BW remakes, especially since the main story around BDSP was it being shoved onto ILCA at the last minute when it turned out they weren't gonna be able to drop PLA in time for the holidays.

BDSP are lazy garbage though. If theyre the best classic Pokemon games in 10 years that just means you probably like diamond/pearl and dislike newer entries because BDSP is not remotely a departure from them

It took already good games and then did almost nothing with them, so of course theyre still good at a base level. Theyre also still incredibly lazy and do not include platinum content.

The company being rushed doesnt change the fact that gamefreak clearly didnt want to give them time to make substantial changes, they wanted to rush out what is essentially a port in most ways

Kaldrenthebold posted...

Because I assume Nintendo is a smart business that understands leaving 120+ million users out for a potential just 1:1 remake like D/P would be a good idea. In what bizarre reality do you live where cross generation games don't exist anymore?

The one where Nintendo is never going to skip out on the massive system-selling potential of an exclusive mainline Pokemon on the switch 2.

The one where Nintendo almost never does cross platform releases, competition be damned, and one exception for BotW (which was 8n development for like 6 years as a wii u game in the first place) doesn't change that.

The one where the Switch 1 is literally a potato at this point that could barely run Scarlet and Violet, much less any new games going forward.

The fact ZA is going to be in switch 1 is a miracle unto itself. But even then, it's not a mainline release, no matter what the "well achshually's" say.

Moreover, the remakes are a 2026 release AT BEST, and even if you want to cite fringe cases like BotW or ZA, there is NO precedent for Nintendo doing a cross platform release a year after the new home console launches. None. And absolutely none for any mainline pokemon game, ever.

I also live in the reality where Gamefreak is quarter-assing pokemon games to meet rushed release schedules anyway, and there's no way they're even going to consider taking the extra time to develop for two consoles.

There are a LOT of reasons why a BW remake being cross-platform is never going to happen.

Proto_Spark posted...

Honestly, all the stuff ILCA was able to do with BDSP beyond their coat of paint was really good. The Underground was a really cool change, the art style was great, the post game stuff and gym leader rematches etc... were all great, etc...

The fact that we ended up just letting the narrative be that BDSP was lazy garbage take over before the game even came out was unfair. It's the best "classic" pokemon game that's come out in like 10+ years.

I'd be happy to see them get a chance to actually go all out with BW remakes, especially since the main story around BDSP was it being shoved onto ILCA at the last minute when it turned out they weren't gonna be able to drop PLA in time for the holidays.

The game wasn't even 100% complete on-cart at launch >_>

(I don't know if they've ever reprinted it so bnib retail copies are now)

Bio1590 posted...

The game wasn't even 100% complete on-cart at launch >_>

(I don't know if they've ever reprinted it so bnib retail copies are now)

Yeah, and that's the problem. Everything they added to BDSP is fantastic, they just needed more time. It's not an issue of "lazy remake," it's "rushed af remake that literally released unfinished." The potential was there and shows in what we got.

the thing is that BDSP was literally never meant to exist and was just there to fill a quota in case people weren't receptive to LA. Don't think we're getting something like it again now that the Legends series has taken off

mehmeh1 posted...

the thing is that BDSP was literally never meant to exist and was just there to fill a quota in case people weren't receptive to LA. Don't think we're getting something like it again now that the Legends series has taken off

Never meant to exist? A remake was gonna happen eventually, just like how we got remakes for gen 1-3 prior to BD/SP.

Anyhow, would be interesting if we get Arceus Legends Z-A and a gen 5 remake within months of each other, with the 5 remake in q1 2026. And then a DPC for Gen 5 with B/W 2 content l. If that happens, gen 10 shouldn't be released till 2027 imo.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

Yeah, and that's the problem. Everything they added to BDSP is fantastic, they just needed more time. It's not an issue of "lazy remake," it's "rushed af remake that literally released unfinished." The potential was there and shows in what we got.

The thing launched with well-known glitches from the DS games still intact.

That literally shouldn't even be possible unless they were just lazily painting over the original game

Arcanine2009 posted...

Never meant to exist? A remake was gonna happen eventually, just like how we got remakes for gen 1-3 prior to BD/SP.

Anyhow, would be interesting if we get Arceus Legends Z-A and a gen 5 remake within months of each other, with the 5 remake in q1 2026. And then a DPC for Gen 5 with B/W 2 content l. If that happens, gen 10 shouldn't be released till 2027 imo.

from what we know from the teraleak BDSP existing was a last-minute decision and it was only supposed to be LA, but they got scared of people maybe not liking that direction (plus LA not being ready for 2021) so they got ILCA to slap together BDSP. Heck so far it feels like we skipped over Unova and straight into Kalos, with all the BW references SV's second DLC had

SAlYAN posted...

The thing launched with well-known glitches from the DS games still intact.

That literally shouldn't even be possible unless they were just lazily painting over the original game

Again, it was a rush job and literally released unfinished. There's a difference between taking shortcuts due to bad deadlines and taking shortcuts from incompetence/laziness. Are we speaking different languages?

black and white are my fave games in the series so id love a remake

here is the thing thoe TPC does not care about remaking old games anymore

to them the games only exists to create new pokemon to feed the gigantic merchandise machine that the franchise creates

ChocoboMogALT posted...

Again, it was a rush job and literally released unfinished. There's a difference between taking shortcuts due to bad deadlines and taking shortcuts from incompetence/laziness. Are we speaking different languages?

Por qu no los dos?

ChocoboMogALT posted...

Again, it was a rush job and literally released unfinished. There's a difference between taking shortcuts due to bad deadlines and taking shortcuts from incompetence/laziness. Are we speaking different languages?

Believe it or not, something can be rushed AND lazy at the same time.

In fact, laziness tends to be the #1 cause of rush jobs.

The games were fucking lazy. Ilca may not have been, but the games sure as shit were.

Arcanine2009 posted...

Anyhow, would be interesting if we get Arceus Legends Z-A and a gen 5 remake within months of each other, with the 5 remake in q1 2026. And then a DPC for Gen 5 with B/W 2 content l. If that happens, gen 10 shouldn't be released till 2027 imo.

They're never going to release two games like that within months of each other on purpose unless we end up with another pandemic completely fucking everything over.

2026 will be Gen 10 and then 2027 will be the DLC for those games. It'll be 2028 at the earliest for any remakes.

If we get a black and white Remake i would like to hope that They learned the lesson from the common complaints said about BDSP, Because ya, it was just a lazy remake compared to the LGFR, HGSS and ORAS remakes

It isn't random.

Black and White tcg set releases next week

I don't get why anyone wants to revisit these old linear games again after the series has evolved now with stuff like legends, open world games like scarlet and violet with actual attempts at thoughtful stories and innovations for the series. I hope we don't get any remakes of these old games. They can take them and make a legends game or similar out of it rather than remake it, if they want to revisit those regions.

SketchDog posted...

open world games like scarlet and violet with actual attempts at thoughtful stories

I like ScVi's story for the most part (it's pretty unbalanced with most of it being at the end) but BW and BW2 have some of the best stories in mainline Pokemon games...

SketchDog posted...

I don't get why anyone wants to revisit these old linear games again after the series has evolved now with stuff like legends, open world games like scarlet and violet with actual attempts at thoughtful stories and innovations for the series. I hope we don't get any remakes of these old games. They can take them and make a legends game or similar out of it rather than remake it, if they want to revisit those regions.

Linear is not a dirty word, no matter what modern gamers like to say.

Plenty of open world would benefit massively from cutting the bloat and being more linear.

And BW/B2W2 stories take a steaming dump over every pokemon game that has come since. The series regressed MASSIVELY in the story department after the jump to 3D. SV did better, to be sure, but "best?" No sir.

I sometimes wonder what the series would look like today if it embraced the soft reboot B/W attempted. Love it or hate it, that first playthrough of B/W with little to no familiar faces to fall back on until postgame was a breath of fresh air

The games themselves were just good. I think I wouldve accepted a dexit situation if Gen 5 was when it happened, because the games were clearly very high effort