Current Events > Epstein files now said to not exist or be destroyed apparently still does and

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They just want to protect "innocent" people and that is why it isn't being released despite neither existed or having been destroyed as they also now said:

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-epstein-destroy-people-bill-o-reilly-2097131

Bill O'Reilly, a former Fox host, said he had a conversation with President Donald Trump earlier this year about the Jeffrey Epstein files, which the president said could "destroy" innocent people.
On NewsNation's Cuomo on Wednesday, O'Reilly said he had spoken with Trump "man to man, eye to eye" about the Epstein files on St. Patrick's Day.
"He said, and I agree, there are a lot of names associated with Epstein that had nothing to do with Epstein's conduct," O'Reilly said in the interview.
"They maybe had lunch with him or maybe had some correspondence for one thing or another," he added. "If that name gets out, those people are destroyed because there's not going to be any context."

@LightSnake

As I said elsewhere:

"The fact is this is all fun and games to the GOP. Same with Benghazi (where they made similar claims), Fast and Furious, IRs targeting the Tea Party, etc. They use this to get elected and then wash their hands of it.

The Epstein stuff is just a natural conclusion for Q-anon freaks being elected because that's really all it is. It's just that this is one they're finding a bit harder to do said washing of."

I don't buy for a second Trump cares about "innocent people." That's probably just self serving.

Idk if the @ is inter thread drama regardless I think it's probably true that the actual "Epstein files" is mainly or mostly information about who his victims were IE the case built against him, not a mysterious Kingsman collection of The Evil Ones. Or if it includes anyone that was connected to him over any legitimate business stuff that was collected as part of the exhaustive investigation, the moment their name can be "ctrl +f"'d in a doc called "the Epstein files" their life is over. Obviously I am satisfied with MAGA eating its own though

Doe posted...

Idk if the @ is inter thread drama regardless I think it's probably true that the actual "Epstein files" is mainly or mostly information about who his victims were IE the case built against him, not a mysterious Kingsman collection of The Evil Ones. Obviously I am satisfied with MAGA eating its own though

I don't think Trump gives a shit about raped girls or innocent people being accused. He's likely more concernd about any optics of him or his inner circle hanging out with Epstein, regardless of guilt, and he's using that as an excuse.

Yeah I made an edit to clarify

I do agree it's amusing they're eating their own, though.

Doe posted...

Idk if the @ is inter thread drama regardless I think it's probably true that the actual "Epstein files" is mainly or mostly information about who his victims were IE the case built against him, not a mysterious Kingsman collection of The Evil Ones. Or if it includes anyone that was connected to him over any legitimate business stuff that was collected as part of the exhaustive investigation, the moment their name can be "ctrl +f"'d in a doc called "the Epstein files" their life is over. Obviously I am satisfied with MAGA eating its own though

LightSnake buys that they don't exist

it is funny that Bill O'Reilly comes out and says this after Pam said they never existed cause it means he and Trump in March had a detailed discussion about said files which must exist in that case and who would be effected and Trump convinced him it is necessary to not release them lol
aka Trump is protecting someone, himself probably or more and he expressed this to O'Reilly

How many times did Bill O'Reilly claim files existed that didn't over the last 20 years?

I don't have the exact amount. But it's a lot. By "files," in this case, I mean specific documents of sex trafficking. Not just general business records or Epstein's records of people he came into contact with

Y'know... at this point I'm surprised that the right haven't shifted to trying to defend Epstein. Claiming it as a democrat conspiracy and whatnot. And that he was actually the best guy in the world.

LightSnake posted...

How many times did Bill O'Reilly claim files existed that didn't over the last 20 years?

I don't have the exact amount. But it's a lot. By "files," in this case, I mean specific documents of sex trafficking. Not just general business records or Epstein's records of people he came into contact with

Why wouldn't he just tow the line here and say they never existed or Biden burned them?

yet instead he contradicts those narratives and admits Trump is protecting someone

AndyReklaw posted...

Y'know... at this point I'm surprised that the right haven't shifted to trying to defend Epstein. Claiming it as a democrat conspiracy and whatnot. And that he was actually the best guy in the world.

Because it's a natural evolution of Q-anon, which is "Democrats and their allies are demonic pedophiles who abuse children in dark rituals." Epstein gave a face to put on that.

WingsOfGood posted...

Why wouldn't he just tow the line here and say they never existed or Biden burned them?

yet instead he contradicts those narratives and admits Trump is protecting someone

Because Bill O'Reilly is a liar and sensationalist?

why do I need to construct elaborate explanations for a guy whose media presence for 30 + years is built on lying?

AndyReklaw posted...

Y'know... at this point I'm surprised that the right haven't shifted to trying to defend Epstein. Claiming it as a democrat conspiracy and whatnot. And that he was actually the best guy in the world.

I've seen plenty of them shifting in a similar direction. They're not outright defending Epstein, instead they're defending child rape. Apparently you'd be crazy not to rape a couple of kids if someone trafficked them at you.

but his lies have the purpose to prop up the GOP which means he should easily lie about the files not existing and you would probably buy it

The GOP is trying out different talking points to see what sticks. Once one finally works everyone will fall in line and we'll be back to nothing.

At this point, most people who vote republican probably wouldn't even care if Trump and his entire administration are child sex traffickers.

WingsOfGood posted...

but his lies have the purpose to prop up the GOP which means he should easily lie about the files not existing and you would probably buy it

Yeah, just like Benghazi

LightSnake, do you think Epstein killed himself?

Yes, because the evidence he did is overwhelming.

Holy shit! I cant remember what Bill O'Reilly's face looks like! Big win!

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Holy shit! I cant remember what Bill O'Reilly's face looks like! Big win!

honestly I thought he was dead

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Holy shit! I cant remember what Bill O'Reilly's face looks like! Big win!

Yeah, he got unpersoned after he was outed as a sex criminal

LightSnake posted...

Yes, because the evidence he did is overwhelming.

Do you believe the only person who did a crime on his sex island was himself and his wife?
There were no powerful or rich people that he could implicate?

LightSnake posted...

Yes, because the evidence he did is overwhelming.

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Is there "a list" probably not.

Is there considerable information about rich and powerful individuals, many of whom likely had contact with Epstein's slaves, both in and out of his facilities? Almost certainly.

Much of that would be diplomatically inconvenient should it be revealed (but useful as influence if they know you know).

Plus of course there's this guy, name escapes me. Big mates with Epstein, hung out with him a lot, lots of photos of them together, admits to walking into teenaged girls changing rooms unannounced.

Maybe I'll remember the name later, I'm sure it's nothing.

Agent_Stroud posted...

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He had tried to kill himself before. No footage or logging records shows anyone else entering his prison or cellblock. There were no signs of any struggle.

Epstein killed himself and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

WingsOfGood posted...

Do you believe the only person who did a crime on his sex island was himself and his wife?
There were no powerful or rich people that he could implicate?

I mean, based on the testimony of literally dozens, if not hundreds of victims? Yes. The most that got mentioned were a few hedge fund guys.

Mussurana posted...

Is there considerable information about rich and powerful individuals, many of whom likely had contact with Epstein's slaves, both in and out of his facilities? Almost certainly.

and you compile it and what do you have?

WingsOfGood posted...

and you compile it and what do you have?

A directory

LightSnake posted...

I mean, based on the testimony of literally dozens, if not hundreds of victims? Yes. The most that got mentioned were a few hedge fund guys.

and how many were charged with crimes?

WingsOfGood posted...

and how many were charged with crimes?

They weren't even accused of sex abuse, so none.

You realize that we had a whole trial where Maxwell's victims testified, right? That dozens, if not hundreds of victims were interviewed by the DOJ to say Epstein and only Epstein abused them?

this is why these theories make me annoyed. The people pushing them clearly give no shits about the actual victims. I'll never forget how silent everyone was during Ghislaine Maxwell's trial, because none of the dozen victims mentioned famous assaulting them. All of them told the same story: Maxwell befriending vulnerable girls and then trapping them on the island as her and Epstein's sex slaves.

Not one of them mentioned being assaulted by Bill Gates or Clinton or Tom Hanks

LightSnake posted...

They weren't even accused of sex abuse, so none.

You realize that we had a whole trial where Maxwell's victims testified, right? That dozens, if not hundreds of victims were interviewed by the DOJ to say Epstein and only Epstein abused them?

this is why these theories make me annoyed. The people pushing them clearly give no shits about the actual victims.

What about the one that dropped her suit against Trump cause his supporters kept trying to kill her?

A_Good_Boy posted...

What about the one that dropped her suit against Trump cause his supporters kept trying to kill her?

The issue with that one is the claims of threats were unsourced and second hand from Lisa Bloom. The Guardian investigated the lawsuit and found it more or less unfounded and organized by a guy with a history of dodgy suits.

Trump is a serial predator, true. He raped Ivana. He raped E. Jean Carroll. He assaulted numerous other women. But this is one that rests on pretty shaky foundation

WingsOfGood posted...

and you compile it and what do you have?

The trick is to not compile it.

Then you haven't lied about a "list".

Semantics like that used to be how politicians lied (admittedly not so much in the Trump era).

A good example of an old school political lie would be, "I have seen no evidence of that".

Always note the language used, not seeing it is essentially meaningless, and is a standard easily met by making sure your officials don't show you said evidence.

Mussurana posted...

Then you haven't lied about a "list".

it was on her desk

WingsOfGood posted...

it was on her desk

Well, if you can't trust the serial liar who routinely violates multiple oaths who CAN you trust.

This is a level of credulity that Eddard Stark would balk at

LightSnake posted...

Well, if you can't trust the serial liar who routinely violates multiple oaths who CAN you trust.

This is a level of credulity that Eddard Stark would balk at

you are trusting her as she now says it never existed

I'm not believing that because Pam Bondi said it.

LightSnake posted...

I'm not believing that because Pam Bondi said it.

you definitely seem to

No, I believe that because it's what the evidence supports. Pam Bondi saying it is irrelevant.

WingsOfGood posted...

it was on her desk

She probably lied about that, she'd need a big desk for that many files.

It's odd really, they've spent years convincing MAGA that the files will hold the secrets to Hilary's pizza basement (or whatever that week's fantasy was), and never stopped to think about the many years Epstein and his buddy spent gadding about town together.

I don't doubt that there are many powerful men complicit in Epstein's crimes from all sides of the political spectrum, but I'm not expecting to see publication.

Too much to lose on all sides I'm afraid (and yes, it doesn't speak highly of MAGA intelligence that they failed to realise their own exposure before making promises).

LightSnake posted...

That dozens, if not hundreds of victims were interviewed by the DOJ to say Epstein and only Epstein abused them?

Ya'll need to stop arguing with someone who clearly doesnt know what hell they're talking about.

Mussurana posted...

She probably lied about that, she'd need a big desk for that many files.

It's odd really, they've spent years convincing MAGA that the files will hold the secrets to Hilary's pizza basement (or whatever that week's fantasy was), and never stopped to think about the many years Epstein and his buddy spent gadding about town together.

I don't doubt that there are many powerful men complicit in Epstein's crimes from all sides of the political spectrum, but I'm not expecting to see publication.

Too much to lose on all sides I'm afraid (and yes, it doesn't speak highly of MAGA intelligence that they failed to realise their own exposure before making promises).

Then why isn't Trump just releasing the Democratic names?

arguing with LS is entertaining though

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Ya'll need to stop arguing with someone who clearly doesnt know what hell they're talking about.

You can read the indictments. The DOJ spoke with many, many victims of Epstein and Maxwell. He was a prolific rapist who operated for decades with a number of victims in the hundreds, if not thousands.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/jeffrey-epstein-charged-manhattan-federal-court-sex-trafficking-minors#_ftnref1

Like it was reported on in 2019.

LightSnake posted...

Then why isn't Trump just releasing the Democratic names?

Mutually assured destruction since he and his cronies obviously arent the only ones who have copies of the files.

Agent_Stroud posted...

Mutually assured destruction since he and his cronies obviously arent the only ones who have copies of the files.

So why didn't they release them in 2019? Why are they still teasing it?

Agent_Stroud posted...

Mutually assured destruction since he and his cronies obviously arent the only ones who have copies of the files.

Don't even need them, think they want suspects on the witness stand naming other "party" attendees?

Mussurana posted...

She probably lied about that, she'd need a big desk for that many files.

It's odd really, they've spent years convincing MAGA that the files will hold the secrets to Hilary's pizza basement (or whatever that week's fantasy was), and never stopped to think about the many years Epstein and his buddy spent gadding about town together.

I don't doubt that there are many powerful men complicit in Epstein's crimes from all sides of the political spectrum, but I'm not expecting to see publication.

Too much to lose on all sides I'm afraid (and yes, it doesn't speak highly of MAGA intelligence that they failed to realise their own exposure before making promises).

so here is the thing

after spending much time lying about having the list and it is coming

why the instant pivot to "it doesn't exist?"

and this isn't just Bondi

multiple people made differing claims related to the list and now all the sudden Trump himself goes "stop stop talking about Epstein!"

the shift is obvious, Trump or someone else gave an order

do I think she had an actual list on her desk? no.
did she have access to classified information? probably

but the most relevant thing here is the drastic instantaneous shift

it shows someone was nervous
someone was scard
and that someone pulled their cards to tell everyone to stop

WingsOfGood posted...

it shows someone was nervous
someone was scard
and that someone pulled their cards to tell everyone to stop

Oh I agree, I just don't understand how they let it get this far.

Anyone with a couple of functional neurons should have seen it coming.

Mussurana posted...

Anyone with a couple of functional neurons

well that is hard to find in this admin

Also, you can read the indictment here:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/page/file/1183116/dl?inline

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