Current Events > Chuck really hated Jimmy (Former Saul) so much

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He did and he was a petty and vindictive bastard.

But man Saul is downright evil and dangerous. I can totally see where Chuck was coming from >_>

I feel like people defend Saul the same way they defend Walt and Joel. Because they're the protaganist, people just ignore the evil shit they do. As petty as Chuck is and as mean as he can, everything he says about Jimmy is true. He was always right. Jimmy destroys everyone and everything around him and then feels bad about it on repeat.

But couldnt it be seen as a self fulfilling prophecy to an extent? Jimmy had times where he was doing good, honest work. Helping the elderly. And Chucks attitude was We cant trust Slippin Jimmy, so we gotta take away his legitimate work away from him! It helped veer Jimmy onto that dangerous path.

Remember Jimmy is the one who destroyed HHM and their dad's corner shop.

You can argue that if Chuck was a sucker like Ernie, maybe Jimmy would have been less of a criminal in the end. But you can't argue it's Chuck's fault Jimmy was a dangerous crimminal. And you can also argue that if Chuck had tried to help Jimmy, it would have resulted in Jimmy down the line taking Chuck down with him anyway the next time Jimmy gets into some shenanigans.

Jimmy basically embodies the issue that criminals have with recidivism. He tried to turn his life around and do better, but his own brother wanted to keep him down cause he was slipping Jimmy. So what does he do? The best he can. He picks up his old habits again cause they work for him. If his brother didn't try so hard to keep him out of HHM then he'd be in the place he wanted to be at the onset, he'd have support from senior lawyers at the very beginning of his career, and he'd actually have the opportunity to turn his shit around. But he never had that cause his brother has Jimmy tunnel vision. He was perfectly happy to use Jimmy for his own benefit but he couldn't return the favor, so Slipping Jimmy slipped back into a life of scams cause that was all that was left for him.

Of course his brother isn't to blame for all of it. Jimmy did do a remarkable job of sabotaging things that were going well for him too. He is a snake at his core, after all. But still I'd like to see what his story would have been like if he actually did receive some support from his brother during an extremely pivotal moment in his career. Could an HHM Jimmy be a valuable member of the New Mexico legal community? Maybe, maybe not, we'll never know, but he never even had the opportunity to try.

Jimmy basically embodies the issue that criminals have with recidivism. He tried to turn his life around and do better, but his own brother wanted to keep him down cause he was slipping Jimmy. So what does he do? The best he can. He picks up his old habits again cause they work for him. If his brother didn't try so hard to keep him out of HHM then he'd be in the place he wanted to be at the onset, he'd have support from senior lawyers at the very beginning of his career, and he'd actually have the opportunity to turn his shit around.

I feel like people defend Saul the same way they defend Walt and Joel. Because they're the protaganist, people just ignore the evil s*** they do. As petty as Chuck is and as mean as he can, everything he says about Jimmy is true. He was always right. Jimmy destroys everyone and everything around him and then feels bad about it on repeat.

Even bigger than protagonist bias is charisma. Jimmy/Saul is very charismatic. Whereas Walter is not. I've seen some people online really surprised when Skyler didn't buy his rambling bullshit stories, but if you've ever listened to someone who does try and tell elaborate lying stories like that... it's so annoying.

pushed Jimmy to try and be better.

It's a little unfair to act like Jimmy getting through college and passing the bar was just "buying a diploma through a diploma mill." The show made it clear that it was a long and difficult process that he earned.

Is this typical CE victim blaming and siding with villains again.

Jimmy was bad news. Chuck knew it. He knew Jimmy was gonna do something terrible. And hey Jimmy did.

Yes, Chuck is characterized as unstable and unreliable, but he is also the only one who knows Jimmy, knows his patterns, and knows he will never be able to be fixed.

No, he wanted to control and play god with Jimmy. Even after all these years he still harbors hatred and envy towards Jimmy after Jimmy sacrifice all his time facilitating his needs over a year. Ernesto was overwhelmed by how fussy chuck really was and even Howard was surprised the amount of dedication that Jimmy went trough helping chuck through list of groceries down to the last minute details in order to make sure he got the best care he could but even that wasn't enough. Chuck still saw Jimmy as that little boy on register swindling money yet to blind to see his own action is one of many catalyst that turn Jimmy into what he is now.

Whats HHM? Im trying to follow this topic but never watched BCS.

Whats HHM? Im trying to follow this topic but never watched BCS.

Walts condemnation at the end really fits So you were always like this.

HHM is a lawfirm in New Mexico. Hamlin, Hamlin and McGill.

Chuck is a founder/senior partner along with George M. Hamlin (deceased) and Howard Hamlin.

Chuck got Jimmy out of prison and being a child sex offender. Then got him a job as the mailroom guy in HHM.

Jimmy secretly got a shitty lawmill degree online and passed the bar without telling Chuck. Then one day out of the blue went "I'm a lawyer too bro! Like you! Gimmie a job!"

Chuck pretended to support Jimmy to this face but then behind his back secretly told Howard to never ever in 100 million years ever consider giving that lunatic a job as a lawyer.

Jimmy hated Howard for years before finding out the truth

I can't go into more detail without major major major show spoilers but basically once Jimmy finds out, this leads to shenanigans that ultimately destroys everyone not named Gus.

Walts condemnation at the end really fits So you were always like this.

really the take away from that whole relationship is that if you've got someone like that in your life you need to cut them out. because you're not going to fix them, helping them is always going to come with strings attached, and its never going to be enough.

That's a bleak take

Stealing them blind!!

Is this typical CE victim blaming and siding with villains again.

Jimmy was bad news. Chuck knew it. He knew Jimmy was gonna do something terrible. And hey Jimmy did.

Yes, Chuck is characterized as unstable and unreliable, but he is also the only one who knows Jimmy, knows his patterns, and knows he will never be able to be fixed.

I think the ending implies that he is still the same guy, and he is never going to change.

That's a pretty dour way to look at things, unless I'm misunderstanding you. I took the ending as "love redeems" and that Chuck was ultimately wrong about Jimmy as a person, even though it took a lot for Jimmy to hold himself accountable. I guess you could look at it that it's in his nature to be self-destructive, but even then he was able to own up to it in the end.

Only partly on topic, but while we are talking about the ending, part of me would have been cool with Jimmy taking the plea and still being an unrepentant scumbag. I'm happy with how they did it, but if they went the other way I'd be cool with it too.

I mean that wouldn't be a character arc.

Jimmy basically embodies the issue that criminals have with recidivism. He tried to turn his life around and do better, but his own brother wanted to keep him down cause he was slipping Jimmy. So what does he do? The best he can. He picks up his old habits again cause they work for him. If his brother didn't try so hard to keep him out of HHM then he'd be in the place he wanted to be at the onset, he'd have support from senior lawyers at the very beginning of his career, and he'd actually have the opportunity to turn his shit around. But he never had that cause his brother has Jimmy tunnel vision. He was perfectly happy to use Jimmy for his own benefit but he couldn't return the favor, so Slipping Jimmy slipped back into a life of scams cause that was all that was left for him.

Of course his brother isn't to blame for all of it. Jimmy did do a remarkable job of sabotaging things that were going well for him too. He is a snake at his core, after all. But still I'd like to see what his story would have been like if he actually did receive some support from his brother during an extremely pivotal moment in his career. Could an HHM Jimmy be a valuable member of the New Mexico legal community? Maybe, maybe not, we'll never know, but he never even had the opportunity to try.