Current Events > startrek starfleet academy first look

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrGvZoJNoOs

over all looks really damn good and im glad we are going FORWARD in time instead of another prequel

i do have ONE concern thoe

the "duty honor commitment" thing i know starfleet is a millitary but they are suppose to be explorers first

AceMos posted...

the "duty honor commitment" thing i know starfleet is a millitary but they are suppose to be explorers first

It's probably a callback to a line from the TNG episode The Pegasus

here is another red flag

apparently the info graph says "sisko never returned" aka the one thing avery brooks was against and the ending of DS9 was rewritten to say he would return

As a non-Trekkie, what's the significance of the guy at the end?

It's Star Trek so I'll watch it, but I'm not excited at all. Discovery was horrible and having a follow-up show saddles it with so much baggage from the start. Picard wasn't great, but doing a follow up with Seven of Nine and Picard's son would have been so much better than whatever this is going to be.

AceMos posted...

here is another red flag

apparently the info graph says "sisko never returned" aka the one thing avery brooks was against and the ending of DS9 was rewritten to say he would return

In the teaser? It didn't say that. Also it could very well be he hasn't returned yet but will.

Takuya_Lee posted...

In the teaser? It didn't say that. Also it could very well be he hasn't returned yet but will.

that would not solve the issue

MAJOR SPOILERS FOR DS9

at the end of DS9 sisko ascends to a higher plane of existence

thing is his wife just had a baby

and avery brooks felt that played to close to the black man abandons his family stereotype

so they rewrote the ending to show he will be back he is just ajusting to his new existence as a god

Gina Yashere as Lura Thok, a Klingon/Jem'Hadar hybrid Starfleet Academy instructor and Captain Ake's first officer

I just read this on the Wikipedia page.... This is a mistake right?....Right? This stupidity is raising another red flag for me.

looks terrible lmao

StarDestroyer posted...

Gina Yashere as Lura Thok, a Klingon/Jem'Hadar hybrid Starfleet Academy instructor and Captain Ake's first officer

I just read this on the Wikipedia page.... This is a mistake right?....Right? This stupidity is raising another red flag for me.

Why. Nothing in that screams development that couldnt happen in 700 years of history.

St0rmFury posted...

As a non-Trekkie, what's the significance of the guy at the end?

I don't know if he has any significance aside from the fact he's whistling the theme song (which, AFAIK doesn't exist in-universe, so that's interesting.)

The actor looks like Paul Giamatti, though I don't know if it's him.

I'm cautiously optimistic about this show. We'll see how it goes.

I know this show won't be free of callbacks to older Trek, especially with the Doctor from Voyager being there, but my hope is that kind of stuff is kept to a minimum. Lower Decks and SNW are really good, but I don't want more Trek that leans heavily on the past. At this point, I want a good Trek show that's focused on new characters and new ideas.

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Nostalgia pandering is about all Star Trek has going for it unfortunately.

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...What? Actors from previous shows showing up in Star Trek has always been a thing, especially in pilot episodes.

DeForest Kelly was in TNG's pilot, and James Doohan returned as Scotty in a later episode.
Patrick Stewart was in DS9's pilot, Colm Meaney was in the main cast, Jonathan Frakes appeared later, and Michael Dorn eventually joined the show full-time as well.
Armin Shimerman was in Voyager's pilot, and Voyager had more cameos from previous shows than I can remember off-hand (with Jonathan Frakes and Dwight Schultz as the most immediate examples).
John de Lancie was in all three shows after his character was introduced in TNG.

It feels really, really weird to call Robert Picardo out as "nostalgia pandering" when this has been a thing in Star Trek for as long as any of us can remember.

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(Voyager Spoilers)
His character is functionally immortal. Also, this is actually quite close in the timeline to the end of Living Witness.

(Discovery S4 spoilers)
I was actually quite upset he wasn't the character in Disco that went to Stacey Abrams.

darkmaian23 posted...

It's Star Trek so I'll watch it, but I'm not excited at all. Discovery was horrible and having a follow-up show saddles it with so much baggage from the start. Picard wasn't great, but doing a follow up with Seven of Nine and Picard's son would have been so much better than whatever this is going to be.

Ah, but you are pointing out one of the few bright spots of Nu-Trek that had long time fans charged with excitement about the new direction Paramount was seemingly taking with Star Trek after Picard S3. Of course they would plug their ears and do something completely different with writers that probably havent even watched Star Trek.

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Explain how. If The Doctor is making a cameo appearance in the pilot episode (or any other episode for that matter), that's fully in line with every other series. If he's going to be part of the main or supporting cast, that's also in line, because Miles O'Brien and Worf literally joined the main cast of another show.

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You... you DO know that his character is a hologram and can't die of old age, right? He's basically the ONLY character who can return from a previous series, except for Q or the possibility that this is when Sisko returns from being an ascended being.

I'm legitimately starting to question if you've ever watched Star Trek before.

mercurydude posted...

The actor looks like Paul Giamatti, though I don't know if it's him.

Has to be. Looked just like him

I don't hate myself enough to keep up with Nu-Trek but I just really dislike how they tried to sexy up the technology. It looks fine in this, which apparently takes place a long time after anything else(?), but it looks functionally identical to technology and aesthetics from stuff they did which is set pre-TOS.

specialkid8 posted...

I don't hate myself enough to keep up with Nu-Trek but I just really dislike how they tried to sexy up the technology. It looks fine in this, which apparently takes place a long time after anything else(?), but it looks functionally identical to technology and aesthetics from stuff they did which is set pre-TOS.

the CGI sand fad has seemingly ended in scifi

thankfully

YouTube commenters are really hung up about a female JemHadar saying the writers know nothing about the lore yadda yadda. To me it makes perfect sense and is the most Trek thing I can imagine that in the centuries that have passed since 24th century Star Trek Odo convinced the founders to re-engineer their slave race to be self sustaining complete with biological reproduction and then release them from their servitude.

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Discovery should have ether always been in the 31st century as a far off Trek show or should have stuck as a prequel to TOS. Instead it was both and that just made things worse. Also Saru should have been the lead.

I don't hate Disco as much as most people but the best thing to come out of it was Strange New worlds they nailed Pike and his supporting crew.

Personally I'm hoping the Doctor in this is the backup from Living Witness. I think that could be an interesting thing to do.

AceMos posted...

that would not solve the issue

MAJOR SPOILERS FOR DS9

at the end of DS9 sisko ascends to a higher plane of existence

thing is his wife just had a baby

and avery brooks felt that played to close to the black man abandons his family stereotype

so they rewrote the ending to show he will be back he is just ajusting to his new existence as a god

It's possible that he could have returned to his family while not returning to Starfleet.

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"This show is doing the exact same thing that every other Star Trek property before it has done, therefore it's wrong for them to do that and anybody who disagrees is simply gatekeeping my 'legitimate' issues."

StarDestroyer posted...

Gina Yashere as Lura Thok, a Klingon/Jem'Hadar hybrid Starfleet Academy instructor and Captain Ake's first officer

I just read this on the Wikipedia page.... This is a mistake right?....Right? This stupidity is raising another red flag for me.

What the fuck?

Yeah that makes no sense unless genetic engineering is involved. Or if a mutation caused later Jem'Hadar to be able to reproduce naturally. A lot could happen in 600 years. Still rather than needing extra explanation it's best to avoid stuff like this.

creativerealms posted...

Yeah that makes no sense unless genetic engineering is involved. Or if a mutation caused later Jem'Hadar to be able to reproduce naturally. A lot could happen in 600 years. Still rather than needing extra explanation it's best to avoid stuff like this.

I expect its going to get explained but if i had to guess Odo pushed for changes from within the great link to genetically engineer Jem'hadar into a species that could legitimately reproduce on their own so they can flourish as a species instead of staying reliant on the founders cloning processes

More trash to skip

creativerealms posted...

Yeah that makes no sense unless genetic engineering is involved. Or if a mutation caused later Jem'Hadar to be able to reproduce naturally. A lot could happen in 600 years. Still rather than needing extra explanation it's best to avoid stuff like this.

In a way, having a thing that doesn't seem to make sense on the surface and has us asking these kinds of questions is a good thing... but only if the show is going to explore it and it's going to be a jumping off point for some kind of interesting storytelling.

creativerealms posted...

Yeah that makes no sense unless genetic engineering is involved. Or if a mutation caused later Jem'Hadar to be able to reproduce naturally. A lot could happen in 600 years. Still rather than needing extra explanation it's best to avoid stuff like this.

I'll be honest, I don't really get the hang up on this. I don't know anything about Nu-Trek so maybe there's a conflict, but in old Trek, this is completely within reason.

The Founders are shown to be experts in genetic modification and abundant with resources. The Jem'Hadar are literally products of the Founders engineering. Not only this, but it was shown in DS9 they were already modifying the Jem'Hadar to better adapt them to the Alpha quadrant. Then, there were the few "mutations" during the series. Jem'Hadar who didn't need the white to survive, or who broke their programming and rebelled against the founders.

No interest in anything set in the DISCO future. The whole idea of doing an academy show is moronic. I dont want to watch cadets boldly going to third period calculus.

On the bright side, SNW confirmed that theyre doing an episode with Jim Henson puppets!

MrMolinaro posted...

No interest in anything set in the DISCO future. The whole idea of doing an academy show is moronic. I dont want to watch cadets boldly going to third period calculus.

Yeah, I don't really get this. Either it's going to be students going on crazy adventures and saving the universe which is wildly out of place, or it's Saved by the Klaxon.

Alex Kurtzman being the showrunner is reason enough to dismiss it.

Holy shit Robert Picardo!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/62da2ef0.jpg

I'm sold.

Not sure how I feel about the whole premise, but I'll definitely check it out. Picardo is a good cameo to use tbh. He worked great between the 3 Stargate series too.

InfinityMonster posted...

Not sure how I feel about the whole premise, but I'll definitely check it out. Picardo is a good cameo to use tbh. He worked great between the 3 Stargate series too.

I don't think he's a Cameo. He'll be a recurring character just with limited screen time like Q.

Dang I thought you might be talking about a remake of the video game

It's easy enough to explain Jem'Hadar becoming capable of reproduction, really not a problem.

Honestly, nowhere near as much of a problem as when Star Trek Enterprise had Klingons look like Klingons instead of original Trek Klingons. I really don't think they were planning on coming up with an explanation for Klingons losing their forehead ridges but felt they had to after Trek fans just wouldn't drop it.

To be fair if they never had Worf in DS9 say they don't talk about it regarding whatever happened to their foreheads then most would have written it off just as a design change by Gene and largely ignored.

I hope it does not focus too much on teen drama.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I don't think he's a Cameo. He'll be a recurring character just with limited screen time like Q.

IIRC he's a series regular, making him the first person to be a regular on three separate Trek shows (Dorn realistically should count, but weirdly everyone apart from Picard, Jack, Raffi and Seven was credited as a guest star in Picard S3)

I'm mostly worried about the direction that Paramount is going and whether or not top down directions will affect Star Trek.

Syfe posted...

I'm mostly worried about the direction that Paramount is going and whether or not top down directions will affect Star Trek.

Aren't people cancelling their subs on account of recent events or is that overblown?

I got nothing against people who like these newer Trek shows and I hate to sound like an old fan who just complains about how things are bad nowadays, but I just can't. Discovery and Picard have turned me off so much that I don't even have interest in the shows people say are good. One of the big wigs in charge of all of it (Kurtzman) seems to hate Star Trek and continuously takes the wrong messages from it like Zac Snyder and Superman. "Make everything darker!"

Star Wars is the same to me. There's good and critically acclaimed shows like Andor, but I have absolutely no interest because all the bad has just soured me on it all and for every good show/movie, there's several bad ones. I know that's kind of unfair, but that's how I feel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsD4im7K3wg