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AceMos
08/15/25 8:01:22 PM
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the joker obviously could not get one

but what about his other villains

i think only poison ivy and two face could get one

thoe mr freeze probably still gets sent to arkham as they have the facilities to safely hold him where as black gate would not have a cold room


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Accolon
08/15/25 8:01:42 PM
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Yes

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archizzy
08/15/25 8:03:49 PM
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Harley Quinn. It's not that I think she is actually insane but I think she is self aware and manipulative enough to emulate insanity that she could pull off an insanity plea. Especially with her background as a psychiatrist she would know how to put on the right show for evaluation. She is highly intelligent and would know how to have a chance at this. You might argue she isn't a villain but anyway she came to mind. This isn't about being insane, this is about getting an insanity plea. An entirely different scenario.

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pegusus123456
08/15/25 8:04:48 PM
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Probably just Two-Face.

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LightSnake
08/15/25 8:04:51 PM
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Maybe two-Face. MAYBE.

Ivy absolutely not

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JohnEtrav
08/15/25 8:05:21 PM
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Batman. Hes a goddamn lunatic.

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thekosmicfool
08/15/25 8:06:03 PM
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IANAL, why wouldn't the Joker be able to successfully plead insanity?

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MaxEffingBemis
08/15/25 8:06:47 PM
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The mad hatter probably

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AceMos
08/15/25 8:07:12 PM
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thekosmicfool posted...
IANAL, why wouldn't the Joker be able to successfully plead insanity?

IANAL?

and joker is very aware of his actions he knows the things he does is wrong he just dont care

he hurts people entirely because he enjoys it


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thekosmicfool
08/15/25 8:08:52 PM
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I Am Not A Lawyer

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Accolon
08/15/25 8:10:48 PM
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And wait, isn't that why his villains all end up in Arkham?

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AceMos
08/15/25 8:12:18 PM
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Accolon posted...
And wait, isn't that why his villains all end up in Arkham?

yes but that is why i put the word "actually" in the title as in applying real world law to it

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LightSnake
08/15/25 8:12:48 PM
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thekosmicfool posted...
IANAL, why wouldn't the Joker be able to successfully plead insanity?

The insanity plea is not actually as easy as "I'm a little crazy." Having a weird compulsion to leaving clues, dressing up as a clown, or having a shark theme isn't enough to claim it.

The one claiming insanity must be actively unaware of their actions in some jurisdictions. Like the classic hypo is "thought they were squeezing a lemon when they were squeezing someone's head." Others, it's "must be actively unaware of the reality of their actions."

The Joker is capable of planning, sadism, etc. No chance.

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mercurydude
08/15/25 8:18:04 PM
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The Ventriloquist, maybe. I don't know if she ever popped up in the comics, but that Baby Doll character from the animated series would also be a contender, as well as Maxie Zeus.

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Kim_Seong-a
08/15/25 8:19:30 PM
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Joker being sent off to Arkham on reasons of "insanity" made a lot of sense in the 1940s. Not because he was truly insane, but just because of society's general understanding of and attitudes towards mental health and sanity.

I don't think any of his villains would fit for insanity pleas today except maybe Two Face and Scarface.

Freeze could potentially get some sort of mitigated sentence...the first time. But after the tenth episode of trying to turn Gotham into a noiresicle they'd probably just throw the book at him. >_>

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McmadnessV3
08/15/25 8:22:56 PM
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I could see the riddler getting it once or twice. The mad hatter too depending on which version it is. Ventriloquist as well.

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Charged151
08/15/25 8:30:00 PM
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Two Face
Maxie Zeus
Ventriloquist

Not many others.
-Harley Quinn may be able to fake it.
-Poison Ivy is capable of mass genocide and is otherwise too dangerous.

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pegusus123456
08/16/25 4:34:42 AM
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Yeah, I think you can look at it as, "If they were cured, would they still do crime?"

Ventriloquist definitely wouldn't, Scarface is the whole reason he does crime. Harvey varies, sometimes he has DID and sometimes he doesn't. Maxie Zeus probably wouldn't, but he's so underused that it's tough to tell.

There are Jokers that wouldn't do crime if they were cured, the one in the Harley Quinn show is an example. But more generally, I prefer versions that mostly follow Jason's thoughts:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/aa6ebbbc.jpg

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AceMos
08/16/25 5:32:53 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Yeah, I think you can look at it as, "If they were cured, would they still do crime?"

Ventriloquist definitely wouldn't, Scarface is the whole reason he does crime. Harvey varies, sometimes he has DID and sometimes he doesn't. Maxie Zeus probably wouldn't, but he's so underused that it's tough to tell.

There are Jokers that wouldn't do crime if they were cured, the one in the Harley Quinn show is an example. But more generally, I prefer versions that mostly follow Jason's thoughts:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/aa6ebbbc.jpg


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haloiscoolisbak
08/16/25 6:50:44 AM
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I feel the Joker could absolutely get off on reasons of insanity if he was a real guy

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pegusus123456
08/16/25 6:51:45 AM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
I feel the Joker could absolutely get off on reasons of insanity if he was a real guy
No jury in the world is going to let that dude off on an insanity plea.

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AceMos
08/16/25 7:48:29 AM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
I feel the Joker could absolutely get off on reasons of insanity if he was a real guy


based on what

the joker does not meet any definition of insane

as again he clealry knows his actions are wrong and he just dont care

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haloiscoolisbak
08/16/25 7:48:42 AM
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I dunno, a super villian in a courtroom is completely unprecedented

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haloiscoolisbak
08/16/25 7:53:57 AM
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AceMos posted...
based on what

the joker does not meet any definition of insane

as again he clealry knows his actions are wrong and he just dont care


I've only seen Heath Ledger's version of him, but his whole agent of chaos thing to me is pretty insane. What were his motives again? It wasn't money or power in the traditional sense right? He seemed pretty delusional and out of touch with reality to me. Even if he was high functioning

I guess what I'm getting at is any Marvel/DC villain, transplanted into our world would easily qualify

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pegusus123456
08/16/25 7:54:57 AM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
I've only seen Heath Ledger's version of him, but his whole agent of chaos thing to me is pretty insane. What were his motives again? It wasn't money or power in the traditional sense right? He seemed pretty delusional and out of touch with reality to me.

I guess what I'm getting at is any Marvel/DC villain, transplanted into our world would easily qualify
By your same argument, every school shooter and serial killer is not guilty by reason of insanity.

Being violent for the sake of it is not insane, it's just monstrous.

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haloiscoolisbak
08/16/25 7:58:58 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
By your same argument, every school shooter and serial killer is not guilty by reason of insanity.

Being violent for the sake of it is not insane, it's just monstrous.

Their motivations can include revenge and wanting notoriety right?

Heath Ledger's Joker I guess is such a... character that any actual real world version of him would be almost impossible to envision

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LightSnake
08/16/25 12:03:57 PM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
I've only seen Heath Ledger's version of him, but his whole agent of chaos thing to me is pretty insane. What were his motives again? It wasn't money or power in the traditional sense right? He seemed pretty delusional and out of touch with reality to me. Even if he was high functioning

I guess what I'm getting at is any Marvel/DC villain, transplanted into our world would easily qualify

"Hving no motive" is not part of the crtieria for the insanity defense. The Joker has a philosophy, is capable of reasoning, long-term planning, etc. We prosecute people who "seem pretty delusional and out of touch" all the time. Look at mass shooters.

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AgentCoulson
08/16/25 1:39:13 PM
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Arnold Wesker, Zsasz and Harvey Dent (the versions that use Big Bad Harv) are the ones that come to mind.

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AceMos
08/16/25 2:04:24 PM
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AgentCoulson posted...
Arnold Wesker,
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memukus9684
08/16/25 2:22:02 PM
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I don't think any of them could beyond faking it. You have to prove you don't know the difference between right and wrong in order to get the insanity plea and all of Batmans villains know the difference between right and wrong.

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ssb_yunglink2
08/16/25 2:25:56 PM
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AceMos posted...
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I think the ventriloquist definitely has an argument


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AceMos
08/16/25 2:29:30 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
I think the ventriloquist definitely has an argument

OH thats the ventriloquists name i had forgotten

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Turbam
08/16/25 2:33:30 PM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
I feel the Joker could absolutely get off on reasons of insanity if he was a real guy
Not a chance.
Insanity plea doesn't mean that the person is insane
It means that at the moment of commiting the crime, they were insane and weren't aware that what they were doing is wrong.
Joker is completely aware of what he's doing all the time.

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08/16/25 2:40:17 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2c5a3c32.jpg

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Doom_Art
08/16/25 2:45:47 PM
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Mr. Freeze could probably get some leniency (assuming that his freezing of people is non-lethal) once everyone realizes the circumstances behind his wife and why he does what he does.

Maxie Zeus like everyone else mentioned

Two-Face would absolutely get some sort of lenient treatment, if not a release he would definitely get a lighter sentence.

I'm not sure how the DC legal system handles the concept of Lazarus Pit-induced madness, but probably Red Hood.

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BiggWillieStylk
08/16/25 3:08:19 PM
#37:


AceMos posted...
based on what

the joker does not meet any definition of insane

as again he clealry knows his actions are wrong and he just dont care
Not caring counts as insanity too.

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RchHomieQuanChi
08/16/25 3:25:13 PM
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I feel like I saw somewhere that Mad Hatter is legitimately mentally unwell, unlike Joker

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
08/16/25 3:30:13 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
I feel like I saw somewhere that Mad Hatter is legitimately mentally unwell, unlike Joker
I'm only familiar with the cartoon version of him, but wasn't his whole shtick that he was mad the woman he liked didn't return his feelings?

Also is Harley Quinn really that good that she could fake it? I know she was a psychologist working at Arkham at first, so she probably knows what not to do, but still.

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ReturnOfDevsman
08/16/25 3:32:05 PM
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AceMos posted...
based on what

the joker does not meet any definition of insane

as again he clealry knows his actions are wrong and he just dont care
Depends on who's writing. Traditionally, the character embodies insanity, though in some retellings, as you say, he is perfectly sane and just evil.

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LightSnake
08/16/25 3:32:40 PM
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The Joker's definition of insanity is not the legal definition of "not guilty by reason of insanity"

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Jeremy517
08/16/25 3:38:53 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
No jury in the world is going to let that dude off on an insanity plea.

Successfully pleading insanity doesn't mean you just go free. It means that instead of prison, they would be confined to mental health treatment.

In reality, that can often lead to longer confinement than a prison sentence would have.
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Amakusa
08/16/25 6:56:14 PM
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AceMos posted...
thoe mr freeze probably still gets sent to arkham as they have the facilities to safely hold him where as black gate would not have a cold room
Mr. Freeze was actually held at Blackgate in TAS and he did have a 'cold' room. But yeah, generally the only reason he's in Arkham is because of the facilities, not because he's clinically insane.

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Villain_S_Fiend
08/16/25 7:01:48 PM
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mercurydude posted...
Ventriloquist
This was who popped into my head. He's usually portrayed as being servile to his Scarface dummy, so I'm sure the defense would use that to try and show it's pure psychosis.

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WesternMedia
08/18/25 12:01:42 AM
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Yeah I've been looking at some true crime videos and it's hilarious how many criminals think acting like Joker will get them off the hook.

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OneSpookyGirl
08/18/25 12:04:02 AM
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A select few may have viable grounds, but, realistically, none would be successful.

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nocturnal_traveler
08/18/25 12:17:52 AM
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-The Ventriloquist thinks Scarface is real, so he'd get one.
-Two-Face thinks he's two people, and leaves everything up to literal chance. He also goes nuts without his coin.
-Maxie Zeus thinks he's a literal god.
-Mad Hatter is just an incel that was brave enough to take his anger to the next level.
-I think the Riddler could get an insanity plea. He doesn't think challenging his intellect through any means necessary is wrong, and his narcissism gives him grand delusions.
-What about Professor Pyg? That guy is extremely sick in the head.

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