Current Events > Charlie Kirk killer caught?: topic 7

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JustaSandwich posted...

They already do that on their own. I've been seeing them talk about how the "context" makes it better.

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I'm pretty sure the second half of that bottom quote is fake. I saw another quote on Facebook with a different second half to that.

I cant stand the word empathy actually.. I think empathy is a made up new-age term, and it does a lot of damage. I much prefer the word compassion, and I much prefer the word sympathy. Empathy is where you try to feel someones pain and sorrows as if theyre your own. Compassion allows for understanding.

Here's a link to the original quote. It's at 36:40. He doesn't say the rest of that stuff about sympathy after it.

https://rumble.com/v1nnu66-dont-believe-your-lying-eyes-everything-is-fine-bannon-sheriff-lamb-patel-w.html

Sonixs posted...

I'm pretty sure the second half of that bottom quote is fake.

Here's a link to the original quote. It's at 36:40. He doesn't say the rest of that stuff about sympathy after it.

https://rumble.com/v1nnu66-dont-believe-your-lying-eyes-everything-is-fine-bannon-sheriff-lamb-patel-w.html

Doesn't surprise me at all. I remember in the TEA Party days, there'd be more fake Thomas Jefferson quotes going around than Mark Twain ones because chuds were spewing lies like it was going out of style.

mercurydude posted...

Oh, it's been a spell since I've seen right wingers babble on about context. Reminds me of when I would get into religious debates with them back in the day and they'd throw "context!" out there as if it was a gotcha. An example would be slavery in the Bible, and they thought that verses where God basically said "don't abuse your slaves," made it okay for a book that was supposedly written with divine inspiration to fail on this basic moral issue.

And they always conviently leave out that slavery in that context was indentured servitude, and the slave must be released and compensated on the seventh year. Yet somehow that registers in a right wingers mind as chattel slavery.

Sonixs posted...

Here's a link to the original quote. It's at 36:40. He doesn't say the rest of that stuff about sympathy after it.

https://rumble.com/v1nnu66-dont-believe-your-lying-eyes-everything-is-fine-bannon-sheriff-lamb-patel-w.html

So any of the stuff that comes across as pseudo-profound is just fake.

Pretty on par for Kirk supporters.

Sonixs posted...

I'm pretty sure the second half of that bottom quote is fake. I saw another quote on Facebook with a different second half to that.

I cant stand the word empathy actually.. I think empathy is a made up new-age term, and it does a lot of damage. I much prefer the word compassion, and I much prefer the word sympathy. Empathy is where you try to feel someones pain and sorrows as if theyre your own. Compassion allows for understanding.

Here's a link to the original quote. It's at 36:40. He doesn't say the rest of that stuff about sympathy after it.

https://rumble.com/v1nnu66-dont-believe-your-lying-eyes-everything-is-fine-bannon-sheriff-lamb-patel-w.html

Good catch. Looks like someone was trying to interpret Charlie's words for him and pretended it was what he said. Though their interpretation didn't exactly make it sound any better.

JustaSandwich posted...

Good catch. Looks like someone was trying to interpret Charlie's words for him and pretended it was what he said. Though their interpretation didn't exactly make it sound any better.

What else did you expect from the followers of a party that's redefined having empathy for other people as a sin?

JustaSandwich posted...

Good catch. Looks like someone was trying to interpret Charlie's words for him and pretended it was what he said. Though their interpretation didn't exactly make it sound any better.

It's quite clear to me that Kirk did not like empathy because he had no lived experience like the people he tried to minimize or otherwise deny the existence of. Anything that lived outside of his perfect little and pious nuclear family was not as good enough or desirable.

Not sure if this was posted anywhere here yet, but here's a gift link to a NY Times article about the suspected shooter posting in a group chat after Kirk's death:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/us/kirk-killing-suspect-online-chat.html?unlocked_article_code=1.l08.wGx3.HZaf__R7EIie&smid=nytcore-android-share

and here's the whole thing in case the link doesn't work:

After Kirks Killing, Suspect Joked That His Doppelganger Did It

Before he was arrested on suspicion of carrying out the assassination, 22-year-old Tyler Robinson sent friends messages showing that he was closely following news about the killing.

The day after Charlie Kirk was killed, an acquaintance of Tyler Robinsons posed a question to him in a group chat.

The F.B.I. had just released two grainy surveillance images of a skinny young man in a cap and sunglasses walking in a stairwell on the Utah Valley University campus, and had asked for the publics help in identifying the suspect.

Tagging Mr. Robinsons username on Discord, a messaging platform, the acquaintance attached the images and wrote wya where you at? with a skull emoji, suggesting that Mr. Robinson, 22, looked like the man being sought.

Mr. Robinson replied within a minute. His doppelganger, he wrote, was trying to get me in trouble.

Tyler killed Charlie!!!! another user wrote, apparently in jest.

That was on Thursday afternoon, around 1 p.m. local time. It was not until later that night, nearly 34 hours after the shooting, that Mr. Robinson was arrested on suspicion of carrying out the assassination of Mr. Kirk, 31, a conservative pundit whose killing has inflamed the political world.

The Discord messages were the clearest glimpse yet of the suspects demeanor in the hours after the killing. They were shared with The New York Times by someone who knew Mr. Robinson in high school and has kept up with him in the group chat which includes about 20 people but said he had not seen Mr. Robinson in person for several years. He spoke on the condition that his name not be used, fearing harassment for being an acquaintance of the suspect.

The Times independently verified that the person who shared the screenshots attended high school with Mr. Robinson, and found other indications that they knew one another. The screenshots were shared at the request of The Times. Discord declined to confirm Mr. Robinsons username, but it matches several other accounts that he used elsewhere online.

The suspect is expected to be formally charged by local prosecutors on Tuesday. It was not clear on Saturday if he had a lawyer.

The messages do not shed light on a possible motivation for the shooting, which has been fiercely debated by people trying to ascribe blame to a political side. A police officer wrote in an affidavit that Mr. Robinson had recently discussed Mr. Kirks upcoming event in Utah with a family member, and that the two had talked about why they didnt like him.

People who knew Mr. Robinson over the years said that he was extremely intelligent, followed current events, and spent much of his time online or playing video games. He was registered to vote but was not affiliated with a political party and appeared to have never voted in an election; his parents are both registered Republicans.

After Mr. Robinson joked that the gunman was his look-alike, another user suggested that the group could turn Mr. Robinson in and get the $100,000 reward that the F.B.I. was offering.

Only if I get a cut, Mr. Robinson responded.

Someone posted, Whatever you do, dont go to a mcdonalds anytime soon, a reference to the arrest of Luigi Mangione, who was found at a McDonalds restaurant and charged with the killing of a health insurance chief executive in Manhattan.

Mr. Robinson agreed and offered a supposed joke of his own, writing better also get rid of this manifesto and exact copy rifle I have lying around.

When another user suggested that the killing of Mr. Kirk would lead President Trump to send the National Guard to Utah, the suspect replied, in a red state??? nah CLEARLY the shooter was from california.

Around that time, several news outlets reported that ammunition found near a rifle at the scene included engravings referencing transgender ideology. The truth, ultimately, was that the engravings included the phrase hey fascist! CATCH! as well as lyrics from an antifascist Italian folk song and a reference to a sexual meme about a bulge.

But at the time, before the exact phrasing of the engravings was publicly known, the suspect sent messages that suggested he was closely following the news.

I heard the ammo had somethin about trans stuff on it, but they arent releasing photos or exact quotes, he wrote. He added: and also the claim wasnt backed by the official fbi, just some dude in the briefing room.

A few minutes later, he joked: Im actually Charlie Kirk, wanted to get outta politics so I faked my death, now I can live out my dream life in kansas.

Mr. Robinsons messages on Discord appeared next to his avatar, which was from a Garfield comic and depicted the confused face of Garfields owner, Jon Arbuckle.

The police have said that the suspect walked onto campus ahead of the event, in which Mr. Kirk debated students with opposing beliefs, and climbed up to the roof of a building about 400 feet away from where Mr. Kirk was speaking. The gunman fired one shot, they said, fatally striking Mr. Kirk, and then dropped down from the roof and rushed off campus.

The police said that Mr. Robinson had implied or confessed that he committed the crime, and that he was then encouraged by a family member and family friend to turn himself in, which he did. He surrendered to the police in Southwestern Utah, where he lived, more than a three hours drive from the campus where the shooting took place.

Following the suspects arrest on Thursday night, members of the group chat on Discord struggled to believe that he was actually being accused of the crime. Our governor wants to give him the death penalty dude, one wrote.

Another said: I truly cannot distinguish if this is for real.

Quorthon109 posted...

When another user suggested that the killing of Mr. Kirk would lead President Trump to send the National Guard to Utah, the suspect replied, in a red state??? nah CLEARLY the shooter was from california.

Around that time, several news outlets reported that ammunition found near a rifle at the scene included engravings referencing transgender ideology. The truth, ultimately, was that the engravings included the phrase hey fascist! CATCH! as well as lyrics from an antifascist Italian folk song and a reference to a sexual meme about a bulge.

But at the time, before the exact phrasing of the engravings was publicly known, the suspect sent messages that suggested he was closely following the news.

I heard the ammo had somethin about trans stuff on it, but they arent releasing photos or exact quotes, he wrote. He added: and also the claim wasnt backed by the official fbi, just some dude in the briefing room.

Sounds like he thought hed get away with it with the media blaming some liberal.

bfslick50 posted...

Sounds like he thought hed get away with it with the media blaming some liberal.

Well, despite him now being in custody and potentially facing execution, it sounds like he got what he wanted. The right is out for blood against everyone even slightly to the left of Fox, and has paid no attention to the media's retractions and corrections.

Had this kid not said a word to anyone he would've gotten away with it and the right would've continued blaming liberals.

Pretty on par for our current Timeline.

Sonixs posted...

Had this kid not said a word to anyone he would've gotten away with it and the right would've continued blaming liberals.

Pretty on par for our current Timeline.

You have no reason to think this. They had pictures of him that clearly shows his facial structure. All it would take would be one person of a certain sentiment recognizing him in the wild.

Starks posted...

It's quite clear to me that Kirk did not like empathy because he had no lived experience like the people he tried to minimize or otherwise deny the existence of. Anything that lived outside of his perfect little and pious nuclear family was not as good enough or desirable.

Kirk's problem with empathy was the same philosophical objection that is shared by many on the right.

They wish to deny the possibility of shared experience, commonality, fellow feeling. The idea that we are all connected, and that the suffering of any of us is the suffering of all of us. (John Donne's 'No Man is an Island' is the perfect expression of this).

Instead, they prefer the outward-looking term 'sympathy'. We can observe others, and even feel sorry for their suffering, but it isn't a part of us, it doesn't diminish us in any way. We are all isolated, independent beings, tugging on our own bootstraps, and experiencing rugged individualism.

It's actually even simpler than that.

A key component of conservatism is that you lack empathy. As in, the lower your ability to feel empathy, the more likely you are to be a conservative. And that's not me talking shit, it's been proven in every way possible, you can look up studies if somehow their behavior for the past few decades didn't make it obvious. Of course if you can't feel empathy you won't believe other people are actually capable of it. It's practically circular at that point.

I said it years ago. Conservatives as a rule are low on empathy, high on sympathy. It's literally just how they're built.

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DodogamaRayBrst posted...

You have no reason to think this. They had pictures of him that clearly shows his facial structure. All it would take would be one person of a certain sentiment recognizing him in the wild.

Read that whole long post above you. There was nothing linking him to the guy in the photos other than they kind of look alike. The FBI had nothing.

Due to sound bleed in the house and someone absolutely addicted to fox news. My mental shield is working over time. I don't hear every word, but enough slips through that I still hate it.

I don't know which show it was (maybe fox and friends), but at one point they were discussing drugs/medications used for transitioning, and how they alter your brain. They were straight up trying to connect Robinson's partner being trans somehow causing it via transmission of these brain altering meds. To clarify, they were discussing if one person is taking them, it'll cause a seperate person merely in contact to become a danger.

... They are determined to find any molecule to push that. And as I was saying to myself a moment ago it's absolutely mind warping to see family that have been heavily christian for decades so easily slurp it up. I guess they all missed a few parts of the bible, and it's starting to show to me.

Quorthon109 posted...

People who knew Mr. Robinson over the years said that he was extremely intelligent

I think this is the most damaging evidence AGAINST him being some MAGA person!

KajeI posted...

you can look up studies

The study that conservatives completely misunderstood was pretty hilarious.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Heatmaps-indicating-highest-moral-allocation-by-ideology-Study-3a-Source-data-are_fig6_336076674

Sonixs posted...

Read that whole long post above you. There was nothing linking him to the guy in the photos other than they kind of look alike. The FBI had nothing.

His friends recognized him, his family recognized him, sure many would buy that its someone else but theres a good chance someone wouldve given his name to the FBI.

bfslick50 posted...

His friends recognized him, his family recognized him, sure many would buy that its someone else but theres a good chance someone wouldve given his name to the FBI.

Aside from looking a like, what other evidence tied him to the shooting? You can't send someone to prison just because they look like someone else.

Like I said originally, the FBI had nothing.

This is stupid and isn't worth arguing over so don't expect another response if you reply to this lol

Sonixs posted...

Aside from looking a like, what other evidence tied him to the shooting? You can't send someone to prison just because they look like someone else.

You're being absurd. I don't think you have any clue how criminal investigations and trials work.

He was free for only 33 hours or so. You think they could not find evidence after that period? You think it's not easier to find evidence when you know what person you're looking for? You think they gave out all the evidence they had to the public even at that time?

Losing my mind at the things some people are out here trying to tell me
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Sonixs posted...

Aside from looking a like, what other evidence tied him to the shooting? You can't send someone to prison just because they look like someone else.

Like I said originally, the FBI had nothing.

This is stupid and isn't worth arguing over so don't expect another response if you reply to this lol

But once the FBI had his name theyd try to collect more evidence which may or may not have turned up something more definitive. Have they finished the gun trace?

Deej posted...

Losing my mind at the things some people are out here trying to tell me
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They where so desprate for it to be a leftist.

I wish gay trans furries were skilled enough to make a hardcore right winger into a radical leftist in 3 months.

Sonixs posted...

Read that whole long post above you. There was nothing linking him to the guy in the photos other than they kind of look alike. The FBI had nothing.

Many people are caught because they can't resist opening their mouths. Keeping quiet about being Kirk's killer would have been incredibly difficult for a 22 year old with no criminal history. He's not a hardened professional assassin.

Unless suspects turn themselves in, there are many hundreds of man hours ahead, studying CCTV, waiting for forensics, trying to trace weapons, vehicles, following up on leads, questioning witnesses, tracking phones, etc.

None of that means they 'had nothing' or wouldn't have caught him eventually, or that he had committed some kind of perfect crime.

ai123 posted...

Many people are caught because they can't resist opening their mouths. Keeping quiet about being Kirk's killer would have been incredibly difficult for a 22 year old with no criminal history. He's not a hardened professional assassin.

Unless suspects turn themselves in, there are many hundreds of man hours studying CCTV, waiting for forensics, trying to trace weapons, vehicles, following up on leads, questioning witnesses, tracking phones, etc.

None of that means they wouldn't have caught him eventually, or that he had committed some kind of perfect crime.

If he kept his mouth shut and his family helped him conceal the crime he could have gotten away with it. It's better for everyone that he didn't, though.

It feels like no one is talking about this anymore

Deej posted...

Losing my mind at the things some people are out here trying to tell me
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Went to a college for a TRADE PROGRAM and got indoctrinated without clearly joining any social clubs or taking any humanities or sociology or Poli-sci or philosophy classes.

Tyranthraxus posted...

If he kept his mouth shut and his family helped him conceal the crime he could have gotten away with it. It's better for everyone that he didn't, though.

Maybe he would have gotten away with it. Or maybe a coworker would report him and once the spotlight was on him specifically theyd find evidence. Or maybe the gun trace could lead to him, I havent heard that result yet.

wanderingshade posted...

Went to a college for a TRADE PROGRAM and got indoctrinated without clearly joining any social clubs or taking any humanities or sociology or Poli-sci or philosophy classes.

went to *online courses* for a single semester, at that.

that's some next level desperation from the right wing folks for *something* to prove he isn't one of theirs

tripleh213 posted...

It feels like no one is talking about this anymore

Yup my dumbass coworkers suddenly got nothing to say when they fired about going leftie hunting

Tyranthraxus posted...

I wish gay trans furries were skilled enough to make a hardcore right winger into a radical leftist in 3 months.

This though. I wish it that so easy to teach someone to be compassionate and accepting of others.

Voidgolem posted...

went to *online courses* for a single semester, at that.

that's some next level desperation from the right wing folks for *something* to prove he isn't one of theirs

Its very rare for a person to have good things to say bout their old college roommate if they left after a semester. A good roommate can be what keeps you there.

Heineken14 posted...

I think this is the most damaging evidence AGAINST him being some MAGA person!

IDK, the people around Trump probably tell their friends and family that Trump is the most intelligent person to ever exist.

tripleh213 posted...

It feels like no one is talking about this anymore

they still trying to spin this into a leftist shit but the picture is clear it wasn't but a maga raised kid who hated kirk cuz he wasn't right wing enough is my take
btw with him being a 4channer wonder if there will be a blowback to that site now since one of their own killed a rightwing grifter surely the gop/maga who love to blame games and social media will go after this site right and not get cold feet due to it being a whole known rightwing hangout

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Desperate to get that narrative working.

Does not cooperating mean "He won't say he's a liberal! But we know he is!"

BlackScythe0 posted...

Does not cooperating mean "He won't say he's a liberal! But we know he is!"

Yup. I read the article. That's pretty much exactly what Cox is saying.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Does not cooperating mean "He won't say he's a liberal! But we know he is!"

More than likely.

"Just admit you're a liberal and were pushed into doing this and maybe we'll give you life behind bars instead of death" is probably the conversation.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Does not cooperating mean "He won't say he's a liberal! But we know he is!"

I mean, legally speaking he has been charged and there is a pending case against him. Cops aren't allowed to even talk to him at this point without a lawyer present. Saying he's not "cooperating" is tantamount to saying he's exercising his rights.

Right-wingers hate the left so much, that they are forcing one of their own to say he is a liberal, so that will give them more reason to go after the left. Forcing him to lie about his own political standings. I'm gonna say it, if that's what is going on here, I hope the shooter don't crack. He's a right-wing Trump supporter, he needs to stand firm on that.

lilORANG posted...

I mean, legally speaking he has been charged and there is a pending case against him. Cops aren't allowed to even talk to him at this point without a lawyer present. Saying he's not "cooperating" is tantamount to saying he's exercising his rights.

He turned himself in and there is a great deal of public interest in the motivation. I feel like I asked a fair question.

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