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Sure, Jan. The hilarious bases have nothing to do with it.

One glorious day the FE fandom will wake up and realize the "Oifey Archetype" doesn't exist.

Oifey's are basically Jagens (who have great bases but horrible growths) with instead decent-great growths. They are serviceable if not better the whole game. Other Oifey's include the likes of Seth and Titania (FE9). FE8 is easy enough a Seth solo is possible, yes I know.

And yeah, he has 10 levels on Sigurd, so that comparison isn't the best. Plus, stats are generally higher in the Second Generation anyway and Oifey has to deal with more Holy Weapons/Magic than Sigurd ever has to deal with.

Oifeys have great bases and below average growths. Base stats are always better in FE because you already have those stats, and unlike a Jagen they can keep up until endgame. Or in Seth's case solo the game while having Eirika rescued.

Some people mistakenly view Byleth as a lord, but really they're an Oifey leading 8 trainees. Great bases (13 STR!) and some very aggressively mediocre growths.

Charged151 posted...

Oifey's are basically Jagens (who have great bases but horrible growths) with instead decent-great growths.

Oifeys are some cope conjured up by mid-2000's players trying to justify how Seth and Titania could be good while being Jagens, because back then we were hyper obsessed with growths.

You want a good example of how messed up this "archetype" is?

Jagen doesn't fall off, while Oifey does.

TheDurinator posted...

Some people mistakenly view Byleth as a lord, but really they're an Oifey leading 8 trainees. Great bases (13 STR!) and some very aggressively mediocre growths.

I'm sorry what? Aside from that impressive str (and res, but who cares), Byleth's bases aren't any better than those of the students, and their growths are on par with their students', too. Compare them to Ferdinand, the only relevant difference is the 5 extra strength.

Are you disputing the existence of Oifeys, or are you saying Oifeys a Jagen himself?

This might be one of those Jesus wasnt Christian, he was Jewish things.

undefined posted...

Oifeys are some cope conjured up by mid-2000's players trying to justify how Seth and Titania could be good while being Jagens,

Hence why Oifey became an archetype. Can the character stay serviceable in the mid/late game? Character is an Oifey. No? Character is a Jagen. It usually is a question of growths.

Edit: The wikia actually divides things up into Pure Jagens and Oifeys under the umbrella of "Jagen". Thought I would point that out even if usually Jagen and Oifey is the usual said distinction.

undefined posted...

Jagen doesn't fall off, while Oifey does.

Jagen's growths do mean he becomes worse as the game goes on when other characters eventually surpass him. I am talking about Shadow Dragon (FE11) just to be clear. A less extreme case is Titania (FE9). You can use her the whole game, although by the endgame, she gets surpassed, particularly if you don't patch up her HP. But because she remains serviceable, she is an Oifey.

As for Oifey, that is true of almost anyone in FE4's 2nd Gen who can't...
-Deal with the late game influx of magic using enemies.
-Have a Holy Weapon to combat some of the ridiculous boss enemies later on.

Can you mess up in FE and have to restart from the beginning?

MorganTJ posted...

Are you disputing the existence of Oifeys, or are you saying Oifeys a Jagen himself?

I'm saying the archetype has no value or meaning, it's basically just an attempt to arbitrarily separate "good Jagens" from "bad Jagens".

To give another example, Sothe from FE10 is often described as an Oifey, but he falls off hard.

This link goes into more detail:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/y30ys3/jagens_vs_oifeys_and_why_the_two_archetypes_are/

Deteled posted...

Can you mess up in FE and have to restart from the beginning?

Yes. Lose too many units or mismanage your resources and end up with nothing to fight with and you can get stuck, but it takes a pretty good degree of carelessness, or playing an ironman.

Deteled posted...

Can you mess up in FE and have to restart from the beginning?

Let all your units die and just have your Lord left? Absolutely, particularly in games with higher difficulties.

Deteled posted...

Can you mess up in FE and have to restart from the beginning?

Depends on which FE. Some yes, most no.

Like, for instance, in FE7 it's pretty hard to fuck up the game to be unwinnable because you're constantly getting new units, up to the final map where you get a character that can comfortably solo everything up to and including the last boss. Same thing with FE10 where, as long as you get past the mid-game, you get an influx of super strong units for the last part of the game that will patch up any holes in your roster. And, of course, any game with grinding (Sacred Stones, Birthright/Revelation, Awakening) is also pretty close to impossible to fuck up.

But there are some games that are stingier and which you can, at least in theory, fuck up enough to make them unwinnable.

Oifey has never made any sense as an archetype and it's obvious the moment you look at various Jagens across the series and realize the degree to which they fall off is so variable and comes in so many different flavours, from very quickly to literally never, that it's obvious you can't differentiate them at all based on "not falling off as quick" because that inevitably will lead to you drawing a line between two units who aren't meaningfully different in that regard. Jagen makes sense as an archetype - unit that joins very early and is abnormally strong when they do. Sigurd is essentially the only unit who is even debatable due to also being the lord. If you try to use Oifey as an archetype whatever list you make is going to be incoherent. Especially if you double down on growths given how irrelevant that has tended to be (Oifey is one of the best Jagens in terms of growth rates relative to the cast, but he has one of the shorter shelf lives as more than just filler)

Hell, Jagens like Eyvel and Vander have infinitely better growths than a Jagen that holds up longer than they do (Gaiden/Echoes Lighting Sword, the ultimate hero who don't need no stinking growths...or bases, for that matter)

Oifey is a complete bullshit archetype that doesn't actually render meaningful information and has so vague of a description that nobody can fully agree who belongs in it.

FE1!Jegan is an Oifey by most Oifey definitions and Oifey is far closer to a Jagen than he is an Oifey, despite it being named after him. The only reason he sneaks through is because FE4 doesn't have deployment limits. If he ever had to compete for a deployment slot, he'd be benched midway through the campaign.

At its core, a Jegan is a prepromoted unit who joins incredibly early in the game whose high bases allow them to handle difficult combat that your weaker units cannot. Their growths and whether or not they fall off is irrelevant because what actually sets them apart from other units is growth agnostic. Eventually you will get to a point where you will evaluate their performance compared to other units and decide if they are still worth using, but that's literally every unit in Fire Emblem. So what difference does it make to the archetypal distinction?

Nintendo you cowards, translate this shit and put it on the switch so I can be disgusted with everyone else!