Poll of the Day > What's a game where the ultra rare limited use super move is legitimately good

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For example, The Chronosceptre in Turok is REALLY good, as is the nuclear flare/plasma whatever weapon

on the flipside, Turok 2's Nuke weapon is very lame

However, Turok 3 brings it back with its PSG being something of a treat to use

In several of the Final Fantasy Legend games, you have one-shot or limited-use weapons like the Glass sword, the NukeBomb, and the Hyper cannon, which either destroy all enemies at once, or do a tremendous amount of damage.

I wouldn't know. I can never bring myself to use such things, just in case I really really need them later.

adjl posted...

I wouldn't know. I can never bring myself to use such things, just in case I really really need them later.

but it is the final boss, there are no superbosses or you defeated them already, and there is no new game+

>___>

argonautweakend posted...

but it is the final boss, there are no superbosses or you defeated them already, and there is no new game+

>___>

I saved all my stuff in Bioshock because I didn't realize the boss I was fighting was the final boss, so I didn't use any of it and then the game ended and I was like
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the bosses in SMT games are REALLY easy if you pop megalixirs/bead chains every turn...

adjl posted...

I wouldn't know. I can never bring myself to use such things, just in case I really really need them later.

Truly this. I cant think of a particular game, only that its been more than one.

captpackrat posted...

In several of the Final Fantasy Legend games, you have one-shot or limited-use weapons like the Glass sword, the NukeBomb, and the Hyper cannon, which either destroy all enemies at once, or do a tremendous amount of damage.

I dunno about FFL3, but the first two both have all three of those.

To go into more detail for everyone else (cause I'm awake early and have nothing better to do)...

Hyper is "kill all enemies in one hit, doesn't work on bosses or a few other specific enemies". You can find exactly one copy of it each in FFL1 and FFL2, and it has three shots before it breaks. In FFL2 you can get around this by equipping it to a robot; they'll only get a single shot but (as long as you don't unequip it from them) they can recharge that shot at an inn.

NukeBomb is a very powerful, defence-ignoring, all-enemies attack. Tends to hit around 700 damage in FFL2, I don't remember what it did in FFL1. It's single-shot regardless of the species(/machine) that uses it. FFL1 gives you exactly one (and quite subtly at that - no mention is made of you getting it, it's just silently added to your inventory if there's space after viewing a certain optional scene), FFL2 has one in a late-game treasure chest and then a late-game boss with a chance of dropping another one.

Glass Sword is even more powerful, but single-target. Tends to hit just over 1000 damage - this is in a game where even high-3-digit damage is quite rare. You get a single one in each game and can use it a single time... or at least, that's how it was intended, but in FFL1 you can use it something like 50 times before it actually breaks. FFL2 it indeed breaks after a single use.

FFL2 also has the Seven Sword, which puts even the Glass Sword to shame and can be reused. That one can hit well into the four-digits... but most players will never even know it exists, let alone get one. It's a 1/64 chance drop from a very rare *and* very difficult enemy (harder to defeat than any boss in the game) who only appears in the final room of the final dungeon. That enemy itself is the only enemy that uses it, so if you never encounter one, you'll never even know it exists.

I save karstaag in skyrim, seems like a bit of a waste though, by the time you can realistically get him you don't need his help anymore

Riviera: The Promised Land has a number of these, due to the game's difficulty being mostly around item and inventory management. A notable one, Longinus, only shows up at the start of the game if you S-ranked the final boss in a previous run, it has only one use, and it's the second strongest weapon in the game.

argonautweakend posted...

but it is the final boss, there are no superbosses or you defeated them already, and there is no new game+

>___>

But what if there's another phase?

Even when it's obviously the last time I could possibly use the item, though, I tend not to just because saving up all the awesome stuff and blowing it to make the final boss easier just feels anticlimactic. My philosophy toward really limited stuff tends to be "I shouldn't need this, so if I choose not to use it and fail, that's a skill issue." I did use my All/Divide on Abyssion in Tales of Symphonia, though.

Trumble posted...

FFL2 also has the Seven Sword, which puts even the Glass Sword to shame and can be reused. That one can hit well into the four-digits... but most players will never even know it exists, let alone get one. It's a 1/64 chance drop from a very rare *and* very difficult enemy (harder to defeat than any boss in the game) who only appears in the final room of the final dungeon. That enemy itself is the only enemy that uses it, so if you never encounter one, you'll never even know it exists.

I was thinking of listing the Seven sword, but I wouldn't really consider it to be a "good" weapon because it's so rare and it appears so late in the game, that if you can manage to kill enough Haniwas to actually get one, you already will be able to kick Arsenal's shiny metal ass without it. (Haniwa has 10,000 HP, 90 Str, Def, Agl, and Mana, is Strong against All, has Recover, and can use Quake, Flare, and the Seven sword. That's one tough-ass bowling pin.)
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I was playing ffv recently and decided to just say fuck it, and use an elixir when I really needed to heal. It felt so good, it was very freeing

There's an arrow in dragon's dogma 2 that one shots anything and automatically saves as you use it

that's in the first game too! there's a small number of enemies that it doesn't work on, though, like the endgame superboss (it completely destroys one weakpoint) or some enemies on bitterblack isle

Saving as you use it but having some enemies that it doesn't work on is diabolical.

In most of the earlier resident evil games, the rocket launcher is pretty much a 1-hit KO on anything, but they're very rare and / or expensive at the shop.

captpackrat posted...

I was thinking of listing the Seven sword, but I wouldn't really consider it to be a "good" weapon because it's so rare and it appears so late in the game, that if you can manage to kill enough Haniwas to actually get one, you already will be able to kick Arsenal's shiny metal ass without it. (Haniwa has 10,000 HP, 90 Str, Def, Agl, and Mana, is Strong against All, has Recover, and can use Quake, Flare, and the Seven sword. That's one tough-ass bowling pin.)
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Legend 2 is loads of fun, I like robot-maxing

Lokarin posted...

Legend 2 is loads of fun, I like robot-maxing

That was one of my most-played games as a kid, probably behind only a few of the console FFs (7, 8 and, if we're counting teen years, X) and the first two Oddworld games.

I really liked something about both of the first two FFL games (never could get into the third one), but my copy of FFL1 had a dodgy SRAM battery so my save disappeared whenever I turned it off (except it seemed to hold the save when used in an original Gameboy, as long as it wasn't taken out? Did the original GB provide SRAM power from its own batteries or something?), and the furthest I got was Suzaku's world, I rarely even made it to Seiryu's, so I didn't get to properly play it until I discovered emulators. So it was mostly FFL2 that I played.

I played the fan translation of the DS remake of FFL2, though I kinda lost interest a bit before the end (IIRC I had beaten Warmech but hadn't tried facing Apollo yet). I should really go back to that sometime.

Lokarin posted...

Legend 2 is loads of fun, I like robot-maxing

I discovered an exploit with the robots, where if you remove and replace a piece of armor, it will recover their HP. You can't do this during battle, of course, but afterwards, you pop into the inventory screen and just start swapping gauntlets back and forth, and after doing that a few times you're back up to full health. Robots are very expensive to equip, but if you can recover your own health this way, you don't need to buy potions and inns cost nothing to use.

And since robots can wear multiple pieces of the same type of armor, I'd play with a team of four robots, each one with like 5 or 6 pairs of gauntlets and they'd be completely untouchable for the first 3/4 of the game. (The end game becomes a lot harder though, particularly the fight with Apollo.)

And I'd always equip them with guns. Except for the Colt, all the guns in the game had 100% hit rate. And early on the guns were super overpowered; one shot, one kill.

So I'd have four invincible robots, each with gauntlets stapled all over their body, going around shooting up the place.

agesboy posted...

that's in the first game too! there's a small number of enemies that it doesn't work on, though, like the endgame superboss (it completely destroys one weakpoint) or some enemies on bitterblack isle

Dang, really? I don't remember it being in the first one, but it's been so long since I've played it

you can actually buy it as soon as you enter gran soren, and it restocks at the vendor after you use it. you're just way too poor to ever afford it before you're in the endgame