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Mibahlzitch
09/27/25 1:25:15 PM
#52:


JoCrazy posted...
hahahahaha

It's cool to mock them now, a year ago on this board you would be called a Trump supporter.
Things have happened since then to change the situation. Are you aware that reacting to external stimuli is one of the minimum requirements to qualify as sentient life?

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Enclave
09/27/25 1:28:13 PM
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Unknown5uspect posted...
Because of the numbers. If the Dems want anything they want passed it literally has to be bipartisan. They're the minority. They need Republican votes. Jfc people.

They're not passing anything with or without Republican help right now, I figured this should be fucking obvious.

This is about what they're projecting to potential voters. If they want to get their polling numbers out of the toilet they need to project strength, they need to be full of fire and righteous anger. It's about getting people riled up. There's a handful of Dems who are doing a good job of this and Jefferies is absolutely not one of them which is a real shame because he's the leader in the house and thus one of the most public facing Dems. It's fucking political malpractice that we have Jefferies as the leader in the house and Schumer in the senate.

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LightSnake
09/27/25 1:38:29 PM
#54:


Enclave posted...
I can't think of a single Dem who is talking about Defund the Police, also the big problem there was Dems let Republicans totally control the narrative. The idea behind Defund the Police is sound, ease the burden on the police by having social workers deal with non-violet mental health calls. Take the funding saved from doing that and put it into those social workers. When you explain it to people most agree that it's a good idea but it felt like the only people bothering to explain it to anybody was people online. The dems need to do better at getting in front of things and trying to control the narrative, Republicans are fucking masters at it, the Dems are so far behind in this.


No, no, no, and again no. We're done with this. Some Dems did say it in 2020. It hurt the entire party. It's still hurting them. Polls show it's horribly unpopular, and people still think the Dems want to do it. "They need to CONTROL THE NARRATIVE!" Yeah, sometimes you can't make people love unpopular shit and DtP is one such example. Just say "fund mental health services" and do that.

I'm so tired of the idea that only Dems have agency.

I do admit that the slogan itself lends itself to being easy for Republicans to control the narrative.


Yes, and it's a bad one. We do actually need to stop the "soft on crime" stuff. It's hurt the party enormously and the GOP is making gains in Blue cities now.

It is but how often is he doing stuff like that? It gets lost in all the times he goes on about bipartisanship and working with Republicans. His style of politics just lacks fire. I wouldn't have a problem with him if he wasn't the leader in congress but he's just not cut out for that role in 2025.

How many bills have there been to do it?
I missed this bit, when did he start writing for them?

Since 2022. He also works for prestigious publications. He's not just a rando

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Enclave
09/27/25 1:42:57 PM
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LightSnake posted...
No, no, no, and again no. We're done with this. Some Dems did say it in 2020. It hurt the entire party. It's still hurting them. Polls show it's horribly unpopular, and people still think the Dems want to do it. "They need to CONTROL THE NARRATIVE!" Yeah, sometimes you can't make people love unpopular shit and DtP is one such example. Just say "fund mental health services" and do that.

I'm talking about in general LightSnake, not what they should be doing right now with Defund the Police. I just used it as an example since it was right there. Also like I mentioned, nobody is talking about Defund the Police, there's nothing to disavow about it.

LightSnake posted...
How many bills have there been to do it?

There's basically no real bills to do anything at all with on the floor because Republicans just ram everything through via executive order regardless of if it's something that can be an executive order or not. Thing is Jefferies keeps getting in front of cameras, he needs to bring the fight to the cameras. Nancy Pelosi was good at this, Newsom is good at this, AOC is good at this, you also mentioned others that are good at this. Jefferies though is not good at this, he's very much in the same style of politician as Schumer which was fine in the 90's but it sure as hell isn't the 90's any more.

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TheSuperSilver
09/27/25 1:47:27 PM
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I used to think Hakeem Jeffries had promise as a future Speaker but I don't know about him. Even as minority leader Nancy would find some way to mop the floor with Trump.

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asdf8562
09/27/25 2:16:04 PM
#57:


Tmaster148 posted...
The people who constantly complain that people call them out for their anti-dem bias are the same ones who never show up in topics about things Trump and republicans are doing.

They can complain all they want about being called out. They've done nothing to show they care about what is currently happening.
This.

Complaining about Democrats more than Republicans, and spreading the great word with topics attacking them more than Republicans is what these people are called out for. Its always every excuse under the sun why its not worth attacking Republicans more.

But then again, they know that. The same reason they dont like being called "Champions of Gaza."

Like if criticism wasnt coming from the same usuals who tend to always attack Democrats more than Republicans, this would be a different discussion. But the same usuals always have excuses why they attack Republicans less.
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sfcalimari
09/27/25 2:43:38 PM
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lol cogs forming an emotional support group ITT.

Jeffries is pretty useless and not the leader house dems need tight now but that doesn't make it magically OK that you spent a year helping Trump to win, or that you take every opportunity you can to bash democrats or blame them for everything Republicans do but are completely silent about anything your beloved Trump does (unless you use it as an excuse to bash Dems)

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LightSnake
09/27/25 5:07:33 PM
#60:


Enclave posted...
I'm talking about in general LightSnake, not what they should be doing right now with Defund the Police. I just used it as an example since it was right there. Also like I mentioned, nobody is talking about Defund the Police, there's nothing to disavow about it.

Again, it's still hurting the party. Yes, coming out against it is the only way to blunt that.

There's basically no real bills to do anything at all with on the floor because Republicans just ram everything through via executive order regardless of if it's something that can be an executive order or not. Thing is Jefferies keeps getting in front of cameras, he needs to bring the fight to the cameras. Nancy Pelosi was good at this, Newsom is good at this, AOC is good at this, you also mentioned others that are good at this. Jefferies though is not good at this, he's very much in the same style of politician as Schumer which was fine in the 90's but it sure as hell isn't the 90's any more.

Pelosi's worst trait was how she did in front of the cameras. Klippenstein did this same thing with her. And bills still happen, which is exactly what they fight, even if they can't stop it.

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divot1338
09/27/25 5:09:32 PM
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Why would you ask for a meeting?

Theyre not going to agree to terms that demand they implement what the Congress has paid for exactly as they paid for them.

You just sit back and let them shut it down themselves.

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El_Dustino
09/27/25 5:22:04 PM
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Holy shit, context or no, Jeffries is such a limp noodle of a politician. We deserve so much better.

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tremain07
09/27/25 5:46:29 PM
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Pelosi forcing him on us was her last fuck you for being forced out of power

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A_Good_Boy
09/27/25 5:57:55 PM
#64:


tremain07 posted...
Pelosi forcing him on us was her last fuck you for being forced out of power
She probably figured the next guy would have been taking notes and would keep fighting instead of being a weak little bitch.

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mybbqrules
09/27/25 6:00:34 PM
#65:


sfcalimari posted...
lol cogs forming an emotional support group ITT.
Isn't it amazing how for a group of supposed democrats and democratic voters, that they will snatch any and all opportunities to pile on democrats and blame them for everything?

Crickets in any topic about Gaza, but a "dems bad" topic and it's like "CoG tag, CoG tag, oop, there's another CoG tag."

And it's always the same ones too.

But remember, TOTALLY dems you guys!

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Thanatos_the_Great
09/27/25 6:20:50 PM
#66:


LightSnake posted...
Again, it's still hurting the party. Yes, coming out against it is the only way to blunt that.

You're wrong about this. Coming out against it won't achieve anything, because they were never for it in the first place. You may reply that it's still hurting them because they're wrongly perceived as having embraced "defund the police" even though they never did (because of Republican propaganda). But if that's true, then coming out against it is not the answer - the answer is not to bring it up at all, and not to rise to it if someone else brings it up. If the Democrats are harmed by a perceived association with "defund the police" then by condemning it, by keeping it in the conversation at all, they're doing the first half of the Republicans' work for them.

A_Good_Boy posted...
She probably figured the next guy would have been taking notes and would keep fighting instead of being a weak little bitch.

Or she wanted to be succeeded by someone who'd make her look good by comparison.

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LightSnake
09/27/25 6:25:53 PM
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Thanatos_the_Great posted...
You're wrong about this. Coming out against it won't achieve anything, because they were never for it in the first place. You may reply that it's still hurting them because they're wrongly perceived as having embraced "defund the police" even though they never did (because of Republican propaganda). But if that's true, then coming out against it is not the answer - the answer is not to bring it up at all, and not to rise to it if someone else brings it up. If the Democrats are harmed by a perceived association with "defund the police" then by condemning it, by keeping it in the conversation at all, they're doing the first half of the Republicans' work for them.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/politics/kfile-kamala-harris-praised-defund-the-police-movement-in-june-2020

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/505307-ocasio-cortez-dismisses-proposed-1b-cut-defunding-police-means-defunding/

https://www.axios.com/2022/02/09/cori-bush-defund-police-2022-midterms

Sorry, but yeah, some of them did. And it's had dire repercussions. Biden loudly disavowed it, but voters still thought Harris held those views. "Not bringing it up" isn't working. This is to the level of "loudly disavow it" now. It's bad politics and it's not "controlling the narrative." Sometimes you can't make shit popular.

Cori Bush's colleagues were straight begging her to stop and she refused even as it hurt the entire party. There is a VERY good reason she's out of congress now

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Thermador446
09/27/25 7:44:08 PM
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Trump blowing off his job(and country) to play golf makes perfect sense.

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sfcalimari
09/27/25 8:41:38 PM
#69:


"Ok guys I'd like to call the weekly COG support group session to order..."

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JoCrazy posted...
It's cool to mock them now, a year ago on this board you would be called a Trump supporter.

Bass posted...
We still have people get upset when you critize Democrats. Yes, the Republicans are vile and ultimately responsible for this mess, but Democrats contribute too.


MaxEffingBemis posted...
This, and its fair to criticize the current leadership when theyve demonstrated they are clearly not trying to meet the moment in stopping fascism


Kain_Highwind posted...
mock them and the usual suspects will come in and call you a Champion of Gaza for being critical of them instead of focusing on Trump

Dio posted...
Yes, they have. It's mostly Humble and a few others. In a past topic i'd been told to shut up and vote and that by criticizing democrats i'm ignoring Trump's crimes. Another had told me i'm a secret MAGA for only talking about Democrats.


JoCrazy posted...
Exactly the same for me.

Kain_Highwind posted...
They still call you out for doing it now even when you say that they said to wait until after the election

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divot1338
09/27/25 8:56:15 PM
#70:


tremain07 posted...
Pelosi forcing him on us was her last fuck you for being forced out of power
When the other side beats your husband with a hammer and youre still getting shit on despite actually doing your job pretty fucking well (in spite of Trump) Id say handing over the reins and quietly stepping back to being a voting member is exactly what you all have been howling at Congress for?

Make up your minds.

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LightSnake
09/27/25 9:17:06 PM
#71:


divot1338 posted...
When the other side beats your husband with a hammer and youre still getting shit on despite actually doing your job pretty fucking well (in spite of Trump) Id say handing over the reins and quietly stepping back to being a voting member is exactly what you all have been howling at Congress for?

Make up your minds.

It's also kinda hard to forget the same people waxing poetric about Pelosi would shit on her constantly.

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nocturnal_traveler
09/27/25 9:18:18 PM
#72:


You know that finger pointing Spider-Man meme? That's what topics like this always turn into.

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El_Dustino
09/27/25 11:45:00 PM
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The trumpers are mostly gone so people look for someone else to bitch at lol

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Unknown5uspect
09/28/25 1:30:43 AM
#74:


LightSnake posted...
It's also kinda hard to forget the same people waxing poetric about Pelosi would shit on her constantly.
I'd say it makes you wonder why, but I think we've got a pretty good idea of why that is.

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El_Dustino
09/28/25 3:15:20 AM
#75:


LightSnake posted...
It's also kinda hard to forget the same people waxing poetric about Pelosi would shit on her constantly.
That's not really a gotcha or anything, they didn't think the bar could go lower but it did. Whether you believe that or not if you too you, but it's not inherent hypocrisy on their part.

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sfcalimari
09/28/25 3:36:17 AM
#76:


El_Dustino posted...
The trumpers are mostly gone so people look for someone else to bitch at lol

Thanks for sharing with the group. So brave.

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El_Dustino
09/28/25 3:52:52 AM
#77:


sfcalimari posted...
Thanks for sharing with the group. So brave.

I mean i wasn't singling out the libs or leftists in my post but go off loser lol


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CastletonSnob1
09/28/25 7:04:07 AM
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Democrats need to at minimum win the House in the midterms, unless you really want Mike Johnson to be 2nd in line to the Presidency.
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Jolly_Bear
09/28/25 9:28:59 AM
#79:


sfcalimari posted...
"Ok guys I'd like to call the weekly COG support group session to order..."

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/02caa76b.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/68ac9df9.jpg
Deeply ironic that you of all people are calling other people cogs lol

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LightSnake
09/28/25 10:22:03 AM
#80:


El_Dustino posted...
That's not really a gotcha or anything, they didn't think the bar could go lower but it did. Whether you believe that or not if you too you, but it's not inherent hypocrisy on their part.

Was it "weak" when Pelosi straight up refused to allow Bush to privatize Social Security and impeached Trump twice?

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asdf8562
09/28/25 12:17:05 PM
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It aged poorly. Kain has a long history of doing the very thing others in this topic have pointed out. Attacking Democrats more than Republicans.

If we were talking about a user that didnt have a long documented history of attacking Democrats more than Republicans, and having a laundry list of excuses why its not worth attacking Republicans more.... his post would actually have any truth to it. As theres plenty good reasons to be critical of Democrats.

But its not. Its always the same users who claimed to care about Gaza before the election, but constantly messaged on "Dems just as bad or worse than Republicans." Having every excuse imaginable then and still now, why they are more critical of Democrats than Republicans. Including reasons to protest Republicans less. The same usuals also tend to have an overlap in supporting not voting, going 3rd party during elections, or hiding behing the begrudge message to vote Democrat but "here's a list of reasons why I think the candidate is almost as bad as the GOP candidate."

Even when blame should be all or majority about Republicans using simple math of how the US government works, its the same usuals spinning to blame "both sides" or focusing on Democrats more if they can find a couple who voted with Republicans.
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mybbqrules
09/28/25 12:46:46 PM
#83:


El_Dustino posted...
I mean i wasn't singling out the libs or leftists in my post but go off loser lol
Wow, right back to the name calling. You're really bad at this.

Also, this person totally doesn't hate dems guys, just look at this post which-
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a563d924.jpg
Oh...

Ooooooooooh...

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legendary_zell
09/28/25 1:02:50 PM
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I'd like to remind you that this CoG stuff is unhinged, but separate from that, it's also not talking about or contributing to defeating Trump. How about we talk about his attempt to shred the administrative state down to its most coercive elements which he is already weaponizing against civil society and dissenters?

Or do you want to talk about your pet theory about why the 2024 election was lost yet again?

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LightSnake
09/28/25 1:05:22 PM
#86:


legendary_zell posted...
I'd like to remind you that this CoG stuff is unhinged, but separate from that, it's also not talking about or contributing to defeating Trump. How about we talk about his attempt to shred the administrative state down to its most coercive elements which he is already weaponizing against civil society and dissenters?

Or do you want to talk about your pet theory about why the 2024 election was lost yet again?

The left is welcome to stop pushing "Bernie Woulda Won" anytime they want and to stop yowling how useless Democrats are. This isn't just going one way.

Also, yeah, we are trying to resist Trump. and we're not constantly talking of him like he's the secret yearning of how everyone has failed the poor widdle white working class who have no choice but to conduct mass ethnic cleansing cuz they're just smol beans who can't haz socialisms.

Maybe some of us are tired of this fucking game from the far left of "we can punch you all we like but if you ever respond or hit back then you're DIVISIVE"

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Southernfatman
09/28/25 1:06:28 PM
#87:


Two things can be true at the same time.

Some here go after Democrats way too much even for things outside of their control, but others get way too defensive of Democrats to the point of blowing off legitimate criticisms and concerns and get too accusation happy about people being "champions of Gaza" or wanting Trump to win. It's gone beyond just disagreements and people are going after each other and their "side" out of pure spite. It's mainly a certain group of leftists/progressives here on CE vs a certain group of liberals also here. Then you even have a few non-Americans pushing this kind of conflict between the groups as well.

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legendary_zell
09/28/25 1:13:23 PM
#88:


LightSnake posted...
The left is welcome to stop pushing "Bernie Woulda Won" anytime they want and to stop yowling how useless Democrats are. This isn't just going one way.

Also, yeah, we are trying to resist Trump. and we're not constantly talking of him like he's the secret yearning of how everyone has failed the poor widdle white working class who have no choice but to conduct mass ethnic cleansing cuz they're just smol beans who can't haz socialisms.

Maybe some of us are tired of this fucking game from the far left of "we can punch you all we like but if you ever respond or hit back then you're DIVISIVE"


I agree that the Bernie woulda won stuff is useless, but Democrats will be and should be criticized. It's bizarro world to pretend the punching left isn't just as common and far more consequential as the left punching at Dems. When we see some Democrats that seem far more interested in defining themselves against the left than they do against fascists.

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asdf8562
09/28/25 1:46:49 PM
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Its not "yesterday's enemies" when the same usuals in the past and now still bash Democrats more than Republicans.
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LightSnake
09/28/25 1:48:16 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
I agree that the Bernie woulda won stuff is useless, but Democrats will be and should be criticized. It's bizarro world to pretend the punching left isn't just as common and far more consequential as the left punching at Dems. When we see some Democrats that seem far more interested in defining themselves against the left than they do against fascists.

this isnt criticizing democrats, and you know that.


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legendary_zell
09/28/25 1:57:07 PM
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LightSnake posted...
this isnt criticizing democrats, and you know that.
What isn't? This topic? Calling them useless?

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asdf8562
09/28/25 2:07:33 PM
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Enjoy pretending the same usuals who have every excuse under the sun to attack Republicans less than Democrats, are my allies.

Their actions of finding all the excuses they can to disproportionately not go after Republicans, says otherwise.
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sfcalimari
09/28/25 2:39:40 PM
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CastletonSnob1 posted...
Democrats need to at minimum win the House in the midterms, unless you really want Mike Johnson to be 2nd in line to the Presidency.

Yeah well you see the totally bad loser Dems forced Texas and Missouri to gerrymander their seats. Why would Democrats do this? It's all their fault.

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loafy013
09/28/25 2:41:47 PM
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Are you calling others delusional when you freely admit you voted for Vermin Supreme, implying that you didn't care if trump won?

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LightSnake
09/28/25 4:43:43 PM
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loafy013 posted...
Are you calling others delusional when you freely admit you voted for Vermin Supreme, implying that you didn't care if trump won?

shock has admitted he was wrong. I think we can lay off this now

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LightSnake
09/28/25 4:44:31 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
What isn't? This topic? Calling them useless?

I mean, using a dishonestly cropped clip. If they had used Jeffries weak tweet recently in context Id have no issue.

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El_Dustino
09/28/25 5:14:58 PM
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LightSnake posted...
Was it "weak" when Pelosi straight up refused to allow Bush to privatize Social Security and impeached Trump twice?
I never called Pelosi weak or thought of her as weak, so I can not say. I didn't like her, but that would not be the reason why.

Also lol at the usual losers coming into this topic and acting so predictably

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El_Dustino
09/28/25 5:26:44 PM
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Someone has to make fun of them.

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