Current Events > Hasan Piker: Trans People Would Not Be Safer Under a Kamala Harris Admin

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So this is the guy we're supposed to prop up as a "hero" of the broader left?
https://www.out.com/media/hasan-piker-trans-people-kamala-harris

This is the progressives hero?

Can someone post this article whenever some tankie on CE defends him in future? Thanks.

Dude sounds like an asshat

Do we have many tankies on CE?

Either way, shut the fuck up Hasan. This nonsense hurts trans people.

I'll just repost the exact same thing I posted in your other topic about this exact same thing from yesterday:

He was saying if Harris (and the dems) moved to the right on trans issues and adopted more anti-trans rhetoric to win elections, then that wouldn't be a better environment for trans people even of she won. Because you have ceded ground to false right wing framing on the issue and now there is no counter messaging. He also argues that strategy wouldn't even work electorally because transphobes would still vote for the Republicans.

Hes arguing the democratic party should not abandon the trans community as some have suggested, in an attempt to appeal to a "broader" electorate.

https://twitter.com/Awk20000/status/1973054628230046180

And this was referring to the conversation ta nahesi Coates's and ezra Klein had where Klein was defending his puff piece on Charlie Kirk by arguing the Democrats need to expand their base, while coates argued we should not do that at the detriment of marginalized groups

"Yes, I admit the current administration aims to enact a full-on genocide of transgender people but have you considered that their opponents are also not 100% onboard with trans rights?"

Fuck off.

Humble_Novice posted...

So this is the guy we're supposed to prop up as a "hero" of the broader left?

Is anyone here saying that? Seems all talk of Hasan comes from your topics and the board mostly agrees with you.

Guy can't help but make remarks like this because his audience has its share of Democrat-hating tankies. If he were to admit that some Democrats do actual good, that would only hurt his brand somehow.

has Hasan become the new Boogie? we dont need a new topic about this guy everyday.

we all know Hasan is stupid. same way we know Boogie is fat... lol

I watched the video. It sounds more to me that he is stating that 'someone else' was going to be using these talking points, and he even says the points are wrong before saying them. False outrage.

Sayoria posted...

I watched the video. It sounds more to me that he is stating that 'someone else' was going to be using these talking points, and he even says the points are wrong before saying them. False outrage.

The person he's responding to said trans people would be better off under Kamala if Kamala conceded to transphobia and anti-trans narratives. Hasan is saying that is wrong. I think I kind of agree with Hasan on this one.

TC do you think trans people would be better off under Kamala and Dems if Dems were as anti-trans as Republicans are?

Am I missing something here?

kind9 posted...

The person he's responding to said trans people would be better off under Kamala if Kamala conceded to transphobia and anti-trans narratives.

with that sentence probably any answer would not sound good. and it's something most would not get and only see the reply instead.

El_Dustino posted...

Do we have many tankies on CE?

Either way, shut the fuck up Hasan. This nonsense hurts trans people.

I feel like they all left. There was Shab and Queen something. Maybe some more I am forgetting. Oh that guy who kept getting modded for claiming the Holodomer was fake, averagejoel or something like that.

why does he just not post shirtless and shut the fuck up

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

He was saying if Harris (and the dems) moved to the right on trans issues and adopted more anti-trans rhetoric to win elections, then that wouldn't be a better environment for trans people even of she won.

This makes sense. If she already threw trans people under the bus just for a chance at winning, what do people think would have happened if she actually won?

refmon posted...

This makes sense. If she already threw trans people under the bus just for a chance at winning, what do people think would have happened if she actually won?

It would be like when Obama said marriage was between one man and one woman to win the election and then proceeded to prevent gay marriage after winning right?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9876e20e.jpg

No.

Even if we entertain the idea that she isnt fully on board with Trans people, the idea that Trans people would be under the same threat under Kamala is just delusional.

Trump and his administration is actively targeting them. Kamala and her administration wouldn't actively target them.

Hero of the broader left? Since when?

I feel you care about him more than the online left does tbh

reincarnator07 posted...

Hero of the broader left? Since when?

I feel you care about him more than the online left does tbh

Humble is obsessed with him and trying to paint all leftists/progressives as tankies and other kinds of idiots.

Southernfatman posted...

Humble is obsessed with him and trying to paint all leftists/progressives as tankies and other kinds of idiots.

His entire goal is to make people think the left lost the election despite tons of evidence they overwhelmingly voted for Harris and that increased turnout would have benefitted Trump. Which is weird that he continues to push that despite the evidence. Almost like his goal is something more than just trying to blame those responsible for her losing.

Hasan was a CE poster all along...

kind9 posted...

The person he's responding to said trans people would be better off under Kamala if Kamala conceded to transphobia and anti-trans narratives. Hasan is saying that is wrong. I think I kind of agree with Hasan on this one.

TC do you think trans people would be better off under Kamala and Dems if Dems were as anti-trans as Republicans are?

Am I missing something here?

Even if she ceded the narrative for more votes, that administration wouldn't be taking the steps the Trump administration is now against them, so it'd still be better.

HashtagSEP posted...

Even if she ceded the narrative for more votes, that administration wouldn't be taking the steps the Trump administration is now against them, so it'd still be better.

This. Id rather be mad at Kamala for a bad take on trans women in womens sports than the fuckton of shit Trump is doing to trans people.

It's such a dumb hypothetical no matter how he tries to swing it because the guy is such a goof.

ssjevot posted...

His entire goal is to make people think the left lost the election despite tons of evidence they overwhelmingly voted for Harris and that increased turnout would have benefitted Trump. Which is weird that he continues to push that despite the evidence. Almost like his goal is something more than just trying to blame those responsible for her losing.

Sadly it's not just humble doing or believing that.

ssjevot posted...

I feel like they all left. There was Shab and Queen something. Maybe some more I am forgetting. Oh that guy who kept getting modded for claiming the Holodomer was fake, averagejoel or something like that.

Tankies have a tendency to do shit like downplay or defend certain genocides and that is a one way trip onto the suspend express.

refmon posted...

This makes sense. If she already threw trans people under the bus just for a chance at winning, what do people think would have happened if she actually won?

When she did she "throw trans people under the bus," precisely?

What a brain dead take from Hasan.

ssjevot posted...

His entire goal is to make people think the left lost the election despite tons of evidence they overwhelmingly voted for Harris and that increased turnout would have benefitted Trump. Which is weird that he continues to push that despite the evidence. Almost like his goal is something more than just trying to blame those responsible for her losing.

I mean duh. Half of CE blames protest voters for everything. Like legit think thats the sole reason she lost. I get called MAGA for not talking about Trump enough. Humble is the worst of them because anything negative about Democrats means you support Trump.

Dio posted...

I mean duh. Half of CE blames protest voters for everything. Like legit think thats the sole reason she lost. I get called MAGA for not talking about Trump enough. Humble is the worst of them because anything negative about Democrats means you support Trump.

I wouldn't blame them for everything, but what isnt being acknowledged is theres some who think they shouldnt be held accountable for anything. Or the delusional position that the narrative they push or defend is inconsequential.

And yes, talking about Democrats more than Republicans is something to criticize. Having every excuse under the sun why you think its prudent to focus on being critical of Democrats more than the Republicans,.... is something to criticize. Republicans, you know the people who hold the majority in the House, Senate, White House and Supreme Court yet, "lets protest Obama!"

Even more comical is when protest voters are criticized, the defenders hide behind the disingenuous question of, "wElL wHeN iS iT oK tO CrItIcIzE dEmOcRaTs?"

Its a question that intentionally at this point tap dances around its not about being critical of Democrats. Its about being more critical of Democrats than Republicans.

I stress again:

If the Left protest vote wants people to stop blaming them, they're free to stop demanding everyone obey them or lose.

He's wrong, very clearly, and generally is a tool. I don't think things would be good for us under Harris, but they'd definitely be much better than they are now.

Evolician posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9876e20e.jpg

Great post.

The people that derailed every single topic with their hatred of Biden/Harris are once again whining that people paid attention to them.

Dio posted...

I mean duh. Half of CE blames protest voters for everything. Like legit think thats the sole reason she lost.

Then maybe the protest voters shouldn't have been saying that if Harris didn't bend to them, she would lose. They wanted the credit of having a large enough bloc to make a difference, then suddenly claim they had no effect when she lost and the situation in Gaza got worse.

loafy013 posted...

Then maybe the protest voters shouldn't have been saying that if Harris didn't bend to them, she would lose. They wanted the credit of having a large enough bloc to make a difference, then suddenly claim they had no effect when she lost and the situation in Gaza got worse.

They wanted credit to feel important. But, I mean, maybe Harris shouldn't have been so gung ho over Israel?

A_Good_Boy posted...

The people that derailed every single topic with their hatred of Biden/Harris are once again whining that people paid attention to them.

or maybe you should being a bootlicker and blindly defending democrats? Fuck you its my right to criticize them. I'll still vote for them because at the end its our only real choice. But if a person saying mean things about Democrats is why we lose then the democrats truly are worthless.

So maybe shut up?

asdf8562 posted...

I wouldn't blame them for everything, but what isnt being acknowledged is theres some who think they shouldnt be held accountable for anything. Or the delusional position that the narrative they push or defend is inconsequential.

And yes, talking about Democrats more than Republicans is something to criticize. Having every excuse under the sun why you think its prudent to focus on being critical of Democrats more than the Republicans,.... is something to criticize. Republicans, you know the people who hold the majority in the House, Senate, White House and Supreme Court yet, "lets protest Obama!"

Even more comical is when protest voters are criticized, the defenders hide behind the disingenuous question of, "wElL wHeN iS iT oK tO CrItIcIzE dEmOcRaTs?"

Its a question that intentionally at this point tap dances around its not about being critical of Democrats. Its about being more critical of Democrats than Republicans.

I mean when is it? According to you never. The amount of people who sat out because of israel were not that high. Even more Democrat voters were simply apathetic and didn't really care or just voted Republican anyways. Most the ones I know were too lazy to vote or lied about not voting Trump. THe media is owned by the !5 who are all fucking conservative.

You don't know the first thing about me either.. I talk about Trumps fascism all the fucking time IRL and in other discords and sites. Is that not enough? What fucking do you want from me? Want me to make endless repeat topics like Humble? I'm a blue voter in a deep red area that tried my best to get people to vote for her. I risked my life knowing these MAGA-clowns would love to murder me for being a Democrat. But because I don't spend every waking moment on CE complaining about Trump I support Trump. Clown-mode right there. Even the most smooth brained leftists wont purity test that hard.

I don't think it was right to sit out. I think it was short sighted. Democrats can be pressured to listen; Republicans will just ignore you at best, kill you at worst. At least with Harris we had an actual chance. But, I'm saying it wasn't the protest voters who caused our loss despite what half of CE scream about.

Safe? No.

SAFER? duh

Dio posted...

They wanted credit to feel important. But, I mean, maybe Harris shouldn't have been so gung ho over Israel?

or maybe you should being a bootlicker and blindly defending democrats? Fuck you its my right to criticize them. I'll still vote for them because at the end its our only real choice. But if a person saying mean things about Democrats is why we lose then the democrats truly are worthless.

So maybe shut up?

Look. Nobody is saying you have no right to criticize Democrats.

But there's a point where we're fed up with protest voters doing the "Who Me" routine. Do they actively cost Dems the election? Probably not in 2024. Do they actively act as a splitters who do damage? Yes.

Dio posted...

or maybe you should being a bootlicker and blindly defending democrats? Fuck you its my right to criticize them. I'll still vote for them because at the end its our only real choice. But if a person saying mean things about Democrats is why we lose then the democrats truly are worthless.

So maybe shut up?

Then stop crying when you're successful at the things you advocate for.

It's always "We can't pressure republicans to change, that's why we focus on attacking democrats". Yet here we are with republicans in charge. Did attacking democrats help keep republicans from fucking things up? No? Then why is this the go-to strategy?

Maybe at some point people need to realize that the constant attacks against every little thing democrats do while never talking about the actual good things they do contribute to voters voting in fascists.

Tmaster148 posted...

It's always "We can't pressure republicans to change, that's why we focus on attacking democrats". Yet here we are with republicans in charge. Did attacking democrats help keep republicans from fucking things up? No? Then why is this the go-to strategy?

Maybe at some point people need to realize that the constant attacks against every little thing democrats do while never talking about the actual good things they do contribute to voters voting in fascists.

It also requires voting for Democrats at time and being part of the coalition.

And not electing utter clowns like Jamal Bowman and Cori Bush. The latter of whom was absolutely disastrous for the party.

LightSnake posted...

Do they actively act as a splitters who do damage? Yes.

I consider them to be a Fifth Column, whether that was their intention or not.

El_Dustino posted...

Do we have many tankies on CE?

Either way, shut the fuck up Hasan. This nonsense hurts trans people.

Aren't you one of the people who complained about how Harris didn't mention trans rights enough?

Dio posted...

mean when is it? According to you never

You literally did exactly as I just described right on queue.

The defenders hide behind the disingenuous question of, "wElL wHeN iS iT oK tO CrItIcIzE dEmOcRaTs?"

Its a question that intentionally at this point tap dances around its not about being critical of Democrats. Its about being more critical of Democrats than Republicans. While having all the excuses in the world not to attack the people in charge, Republicans, more. Republicans.... who control the House, Senate, White House and Supreme Court.

You intentionally ignore that for a clear obvious reason, as the defenders always do. While trying to play victim as if its simply about being critical of Democrats.

did protest voters cost kamala the election probably not

but they MIGHT have cost her the popular vote and a few seats in the house and senate

if she had won the popular vote corporations would not be bending the knee to trump so casually

democrates suck no argument here them constantly doing centrist bull shit is what allowed this shit to happen constantly trying to make peace with republicans rather than punishing them was fucking stupid

doing nothing about the constant stream of propaganda getting broadcast was stupid

but the worst democrate is still infinitely better than the best republican

Yeah no matter who the president is:
1/3 of the country will target people
1/3 of the country will stand up for those people targeted
1/3 of the country will mind they own business and watch the horror show

We just happen to have a fire under Trump for action. His supporters are all for it. He has his enemies of the country trying to speak up for those whos voices and cries are being drowned. And finally, the rest of us are witness to whats happening. Its a coin flip to what the rest of us do or not do. Every day it seems that line that divides reaches those of us that are spectating until the action is at our doors.. .

AceMos posted...

but they MIGHT have cost her the popular vote and a few seats in the house and senate

We know this isn't true though.

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition

But even if everyone who could vote did, Trump would have won by an even wider margin, 48%-45%, according to Pew's validated voters survey.