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Someone who refuses to accept fact that breaks their worldviews and clings to centuries old definitions in order to prop up a fictional rapist who works with nazis are all red flag sus behavior, sorry to say it, and you yourself think so for things you find vile too.

Jeez, I thought tc was exaggerating or oversimplifying, but no, you're actually bonkers.

GiftedACIII posted...

Batman is a modern anti-hero now though, which is noted in his Wikipedia article, which TC kept propping up for himself but ignored when things that went against his worldview.

In most interpretations of Batman he's a straight hero. Has a no-kill policy, strong heroic morals, not afraid of challenging other superheroes when they break said morals. There's no anti about him, he's a hero who wears black.

GiftedACIII posted...

They do, yes. They have to be something that's heroic. Simply being a protagonist isn't it. That's a villain protagonist. If you want to use the outdated classical definition that's still a villain protagonist.

In no way is Meursault heroic. If you think Holden Caulfield is heroic you might need to see a therapist. Clint Eastwood in the Dollars trilogy is ethically closer to Walter White than Batman. Hell, Rorschach is Batman if Batman was actually an antihero.

A_Good_Boy posted...

An anti-hero is someone that seeks to achieve heroic outcomes through unheroic means.

This is the online definition, not the classic literary use.

I'm not seeing how thinking WW is an anti-hero, or even hero, means that someone is a Nazi sympathizer, transphobe, and sexist, or even a bigot in general. At worst, he's simply wrong.

Whatever went down in that other thread must've been huge to spark such a, seemingly, obsessed and weird derailment like this.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

In most interpretations of Batman he's a straight hero. Has a no-kill policy, strong heroic morals, not afraid of challenging other superheroes when they break said morals. There's no anti about him, he's a hero who wears black.

He's a vigilante who breaks the laws to do what he does. He's rude and often likes to work alone over cooperating with others. His modus operandi is striking fear into others. The whole point of the no-kill policy is that he'd be crossing a line into irredeemable because of the lines he already crosses. These aren't ideal heroic traits. Meta Knight is basically a much straighter hero than him and Meta Knight is considered an anti-hero.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

In no way is Meursault heroic. If you think Holden Caulfield is heroic you might need to see a therapist. Clint Eastwood in the Dollars trilogy is ethically closer to Walter White than Batman. Hell, Rorschach is Batman if Batman was actually an antihero.

That's literally the point. TC was actively calling Walt heroic in that thread. If you think calling Holden Caulfield heroic means someone needs to see a therapist then you're proving my point. He didn't have the literary definition in mind at all in the beginning until he could conveniently use the wikipedia entry to validate himself.
Limelol posted...

I'm not seeing how thinking WW is an anti-hero, or even hero, means that someone is a Nazi sympathizer, transphobe, and sexist, or even a bigot in general. At worst, he's simply wrong.

Whatever went down in that other thread must've been huge to spark such a, seemingly, obsessed and weird derailment like this.

Yeah you should read that thread (unfortunately site seems down right now so you have to wait a bit). He was way worse in it and doubling down on awful takes.

Limelol posted...

I'm not seeing how thinking WW is an anti-hero, or even hero, means that someone is a Nazi sympathizer, transphobe, and sexist, or even a bigot in general. At worst, he's simply wrong.

Whatever went down in that other thread must've been huge to spark such a, seemingly, obsessed and weird derailment like this.

No, it's just as lame as you're imagining it.

Dawg, we went from vtubers to Walter White to Batman to Meta Knight.

WW V-tubing as Meta Knight in a Batman suit when?

GiftedACIII posted...

Someone who refuses to accept fact that breaks their worldviews and clings to centuries old definitions in order to prop up a fictional rapist who works with nazis are all red flag sus behavior, sorry to say it, and you yourself think so for things you find vile too.

Thinking Walter is an anti-hero isnt a worldview... >_>
Not one person in my personal life would ever say those things about me, because they know it isn't true. I even have a suspicion that you wouldn't say these things to me IRL because it would sound absurd.

GeraldDarko posted...

Thinking Walter is an anti-hero isnt a worldview... >_>
Not one person in my personal life would ever say those things about me, because they know it isn't true. I even have a suspicion that you wouldn't say these things to me IRL because it would sound absurd.

If you can't accept something as simple as the creator of the character themselves saying you're wrong then it's not a stretch to see it happening with more meaningful worldviews too. But like I've said, I'm also basing it on other things I've seen from you. And of course you're hypocritical about this since I've seen you immediately jumping on judging others for their casual "online" takes as well.

GiftedACIII posted...

He's a vigilante who breaks the laws to do what he does. He's rude and often likes to work alone over cooperating with others. His modus operandi is striking fear into others. The whole point of the no-kill policy is that he'd be crossing a line into irredeemable because of the lines he already crosses. These aren't ideal heroic traits. Meta Knight is basically a much straighter hero than him and Meta Knight is considered an anti-hero.

Meta Knight is a villain turned good(?). Same for Protoman. In fact, Zero is the best example of a character-type most commonly misattributed as an antihero.
Batman is a vigilante, like almost every other super. He actively works with local law enforcement.
He's not rude, he's curt. I'd love to see Batman telling Superman to go fuck himself.
He works alone except all the times he teams up and coordinates with other superheroes. He's not just a founding member of the JL, but often the one to actively hold it together. He's also got a revolving door of bat-family who fight crime with him.

And if we're using Wikipedia as an authority:

During the Golden Age of Television from the 2000s and into early 2020s, antiheroes such as Tony Soprano, Gru, Megamind, Jack Bauer, Gregory House, Dexter Morgan, Walter White, Frank Underwood, Don Draper, Neal Caffrey, Nucky Thompson, Jax Teller, Alicia Florrick, Annalise Keating, Selina Meyer and Kendall Roy became prominent in the most popular and critically acclaimed TV shows.[29][30][31]

I actually think Megamind is the best example of what makes an antihero on there. Not because he's secretly heroic, but because he's a loser through and through. He's a coward, uncharismatic, kinda dumb, socially stunted, etc. The only thing he's missing is the impending sense of doom. In that regard, having a criminal MC is an easy way to make an antihero. Tony Soprano is another good one, clearly flawed human and not heroic.

what the fuck happened to this topic

GiftedACIII posted...

If you can't accept something as simple as the creator of the character themselves saying

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Author

Not to say Walter is an anti-hero but just because the creator says a thing doesn't mean it can't be interpreted as something else by the audience.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

Meta Knight is a villain turned good(?). Same for Protoman. In fact, Zero is the best example of a character-type most commonly misattributed as an antihero.
Batman is a vigilante, like almost every other super. He actively works with local law enforcement.
He's not rude, he's curt. I'd love to see Batman telling Superman to go fuck himself.
He works alone except all the times he teams up and coordinates with other superheroes. He's not just a founding member of the JL, but often the one to actively hold it together. He's also got a revolving door of bat-family who fight crime with him.

And if we're using Wikipedia as an authority:
I actually think Megamind is the best example of what makes an antihero on there. Not because he's secretly heroic, but because he's a loser through and through. He's a coward, uncharismatic, kinda dumb, socially stunted, etc. The only thing he's missing is the impending sense of doom. In that regard, having a criminal MC is an easy way to make an antihero. Tony Soprano is another good one, clearly flawed human and not heroic.

Meta Knight is still seen as an anti-hero as is Batman as is noted in their wikipedia articles.

Wikipeda also outright says Walt is an anti-hero turned villain front and center.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_White_(Breaking_Bad%29

An antihero[a] turned villain protagonist as the series progresses, Walter becomes increasingly ruthless and unsympathetic, as the series' creator, Vince Gilligan, wanted him to turn from "Mr. Chips into Scarface"

HighSeraph posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Author

Not to say Walter is an anti-hero but just because the creator says a thing doesn't mean it can't be interpreted as something else by the audience.

If we're not using "official neutral classification" then that would speak even more to one's personal morals and values.

See what I mean about cherry picking Wikipedia articles?

GiftedACIII posted...

If you can't accept something as simple as the creator of the character themselves saying you're wrong then it's not a stretch to see it happening with more meaningful worldviews too. But like I've said, I'm also basing it on other things I've seen from you. And of course you're hypocritical about this since I've seen you immediately jumping on judging others for their casual "online" takes as well.

i dont think ur overreacting or anything and u tend to have a good memory of the ppl here, but in my experience tc is just a bit underfunded in the brain department (i cant think of a less mean way to say it)

but i prolly miss a lot

Dungeater posted...

i dont think ur overreacting or anything and u tend to have a good memory of the ppl here, but in my experience tc is just a bit underfunded in the brain department (i cant think of a less mean way to say it)

but i prolly miss a lot

I'm not dumb. Again, only something that someone who doesn't know me would ever say because the people that know me know it isnt true. The internet is a wild place.

GeraldDarko posted...

I'm not dumb. Again, only something that doesn't know me would ever say because the people that know it isnt true. The internet is a wild place.

im not calling you dumb, im saying that about tc

oh lmao ur him

yea truuu

Dungeater posted...

im not calling you dumb, im saying that about tc

oh lmao ur him

yea truuu

I'm not dumb. Y'all are some mean spirited people that act completely differently than anyone I've ever met IRL.

GeraldDarko posted...

I'm not dumb. Y'all are some mean spirited people that act completely differently than anyone I've ever met IRL.

classic Dungeater

ChocoboMogALT posted...

Meta Knight is a villain turned good(?). Same for Protoman. In fact, Zero is the best example of a character-type most commonly misattributed as an antihero.
Batman is a vigilante, like almost every other super. He actively works with local law enforcement.
He's not rude, he's curt. I'd love to see Batman telling Superman to go fuck himself.
He works alone except all the times he teams up and coordinates with other superheroes. He's not just a founding member of the JL, but often the one to actively hold it together. He's also got a revolving door of bat-family who fight crime with him.

And if we're using Wikipedia as an authority:
I actually think Megamind is the best example of what makes an antihero on there. Not because he's secretly heroic, but because he's a loser through and through. He's a coward, uncharismatic, kinda dumb, socially stunted, etc. The only thing he's missing is the impending sense of doom. In that regard, having a criminal MC is an easy way to make an antihero. Tony Soprano is another good one, clearly flawed human and not heroic.

You think Megamind is uncharismatic? Mr. "The difference between a villain and a supervillain is ... PRESENTATION!" is uncharismatic?

Kain_Highwind posted...

what the fuck happened to this topic

you best start believing in troll threads

you're in one