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Last Topic: 12:42:58am, 08/04/2023
Last Post: 7:40:09am, 04/27/2023
Ruvan22 posted...
1) I'm not sure your broad statement is true - there are some people that have been hired due to work without formal training, but they are the exception, not the rule.
Coding bootcamps have skyrocketed over the past decade and there a lot of folks in software without CS degrees. Unless you want to label coding bootcamps as formal training.
2) Free college tuition would greatly benefit the disadvantaged who don't have the free time to learn from "the wealth of knowledge and information freely available", much less have the time to "build a portfolio".
This is why I brought up the point that many people don't use their degree. Yes, having an education is important, specifically meeting a certain threshold of literacy is important. We're in a crisis right now where most people go to college and are saddled with debt for a degree they don't use and are entering a job market that is heavily saturated with people in their position. What purpose does college serve in 2023 for most people? Is it necessary, absolutely critical for people to go to college? Is it that important that the US government should allocate budget for it? Why?
uwnim posted...
Personally, I'd prefer it doesn't. Making college free doesn't really do anything to fix the problems with it and likely would make them worse. It would hide the costs, so the ever increasing price would be hidden. It would make college feel even more like something that you are required to do even if all you end up doing is getting a degree that has no value outside of being a degree(as in, what you learned is irrelevant as is what the degree is in, the value is simply in having any degree) to meet the requirements of a signalling game imposed by employers.
I'll echo uwnim's point as one of the reasons why there's a ton of pushback especially in GOP states. In a number of GOP towns, their rates of degree holders is in single digits. They have a culture that never pushed for their kids to go to college and life went on as normal for them over the past couple decades. So they're absolutely flabbergasted over the prospect that someone goes to college, gets a degree, gets saddled in debt and even more possibly doesn't optimize or get any use out of the degree while everyone else has to foot the bill.
However, those who didn't live in a culture where everyone was pushed to go to college don't understand that the last sentence I wrote above more nuanced than that. In the culture for a lot coastal states, all kids hear is "college, college, college" where it's the next step in their adult life and if they don't go, they're not living life right everyone is going to look at them like "What the heck are you doing?". These kids are being taken advantage of to sign loans they're not going to pay off as colleges keep increasing tuition with no impunity. Heck, the government also added fuel to the fire by banning declaring bankruptcy over school loans from back in the 00's.
The whole college system is broken. I think the first things to assess is what purpose does college serve nowadays (versus what it idealistically serves) and if it's an absolute necessity as we move to an educational revolution in the near future.---
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