Current Events > Do you believe that free College will ever happen in the u.s. in the next...

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...idk,.... 10-40 yrs? ye, i mean do you believe it will? Not if you think it is feasible or should.... etc...

Free labor from all adjunct profs will probably happen before that does

Maybe

It's something that helps normal people and not the rich, so no.

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Probably. Then they will make up another school that you have to pay for that is now "required" to get a job.

when bernie gets the white house it will happen

Nothing related to free college, or anything remotely beneficial to society at large for that matter, will happen so long as the GOP exists

bumph

Lol imao even

Why bother? Most people aren't even using their degrees as they can't find a job for what they studied for. And now we're heading to a technical revolution thanks to AI's disruption. AI is going to completely revamp what and how we learn.

Sad_Face posted...

Why bother? Most people aren't even using their degrees as they can't find a job for what they studied for. And now we're heading to a technical revolution thanks to AI's disruption. AI is going to completely revamp what and how we learn.

Your opinion on education is invalid due to the fact that you believe that there is a cabal of democrats who feast on children in the basement of a pizza parlor.

Nnnnnope

Sad_Face posted...

Why bother? Most people aren't even using their degrees as they can't find a job for what they studied for. And now we're heading to a technical revolution thanks to AI's disruption. AI is going to completely revamp what and how we learn.

ye, i agree with you on that. You really don't even use the stuff that you studied in college. Another thing, you really think that computers and a.i. will be able to do most jobs? So when is a machine gonna be able to make a burger and a pizza or cut someone's hair, without any human help?

Hell nah! Ireland has free college but they pay 52% income tax. Fuck that shit, the kids can stay stupid lol

i want a massive disaster to ruin everything for everyone, after i die tho

Sad_Face posted...

Why bother? Most people aren't even using their degrees as they can't find a job for what they studied for. And now we're heading to a technical revolution thanks to AI's disruption. AI is going to completely revamp what and how we learn.

Eh... I'm not sure disregarding the societal benefits of higher education is the best answer to a specific problem with higher education. Also while AI definitely has the potential to do all that, I would think lots of other things will need to happen first - high speed internet has affected schooling, entertainment, communication, health delivery, etc BUT there are SO many areas of the country still don't have high speed internet to begin with.

AirJordan2345 posted...

ye, i agree with you on that. You really don't even use the stuff that you studied in college.

Speak for yourself.

For an entire state? No.

I haven't spent a dime of my own money paying for college classes though and I'm just a couple classes short of an associates degree

I doubt it, too many people would do everything possible to prevent it.

Personally, I'd prefer it doesn't. Making college free doesn't really do anything to fix the problems with it and likely would make them worse. It would hide the costs, so the ever increasing price would be hidden. It would make college feel even more like something that you are required to do even if all you end up doing is getting a degree that has no value outside of being a degree(as in, what you learned is irrelevant as is what the degree is in, the value is simply in having any degree) to meet the requirements of a signalling game imposed by employers.

AirJordan2345 posted...

ye, i agree with you on that. You really don't even use the stuff that you studied in college. Another thing, you really think that computers and a.i. will be able to do most jobs? So when is a machine gonna be able to make a burger and a pizza or cut someone's hair, without any human help?

There's going to be a lot of jobs rendered redundant by AI; white collar jobs in particular are most susceptible. The software development positions, a number of them are going to be cut at lower levels but otherwise it's an incredible tool to augment one's abilities and increase one's productivity. The way I see it is that with AI, one person could do the work of 5 guys. A company could cut corners and reduce staff, but what about a company who decides to keep their personnel and have them maximize AI tools? They're going to build things far bigger and greater due to the collaboration of their staff members in conjunction with these new tools.

The name of the game previously was learn something valuable so you can charge people a premium for your efforts. With AI, what is considered valuable to learn is going to be drastically different. Of course, what you learn using your hands isn't going to be touched by AI anytime soon, or until robots can mimic the dexterity at an affordable price. But getting started in a field to get a job to leverage into a career is going to be a helluva a lot harder I'll admit.

Ruvan22 posted...

Eh... I'm not sure disregarding the societal benefits of higher education is the best answer to a specific problem with higher education. Also while AI definitely has the potential to do all that, I would think lots of other things will need to happen first - high speed internet has affected schooling, entertainment, communication, health delivery, etc BUT there are SO many areas of the country still don't have high speed internet to begin with.

Not agreeing with universal free college tuition =/= disregarding societal benefits of higher education.

Don't twist my point.

We're in a country right now where the vast majority of people have degrees but are underemployed in relation to their education due to the overall saturation of degree holders in the market. Disregarding obvious fields where you need a license to operate in, we have tech companies more than willing to hire someone who built a portfolio of projects in his spare time using the wealth of knowledge and information freely available over people who studied the craft in school. So what is the argument right now for universal free college tuition?

Sad_Face posted...

Not agreeing with universal free college tuition =/= disregarding societal benefits of higher education.

Don't twist my point.

My apologies - I took "Why bother?" to show dismissal of the benefit of higher education since your two sentences afterwards were arguing such.

We're in a country right now where the vast majority of people have degrees but are underemployed in relation to their education due to the overall saturation of degree holders in the market. Disregarding obvious fields where you need a license to operate in, we have tech companies more than willing to hire someone who built a portfolio of projects in his spare time using the wealth of knowledge and information freely available over people who studied the craft in school. So what is the argument right now for universal free college tuition?

This statement also seems to argue against higher education (in tech) rather than free tuition.
But to answer your specific question - two points come to mind:
1) I'm not sure your broad statement is true - there are some people that have been hired due to work without formal training, but they are the exception, not the rule.
2) Free college tuition would greatly benefit the disadvantaged who don't have the free time to learn from "the wealth of knowledge and information freely available", much less have the time to "build a portfolio".

1. Old people would need to pass first as they grunt "why should I pay for these others reee rarer hee haw"
2. College will probably decline as asking chatgpt is more efficient

Ruvan22 posted...

1) I'm not sure your broad statement is true - there are some people that have been hired due to work without formal training, but they are the exception, not the rule.

Coding bootcamps have skyrocketed over the past decade and there a lot of folks in software without CS degrees. Unless you want to label coding bootcamps as formal training.

2) Free college tuition would greatly benefit the disadvantaged who don't have the free time to learn from "the wealth of knowledge and information freely available", much less have the time to "build a portfolio".

This is why I brought up the point that many people don't use their degree. Yes, having an education is important, specifically meeting a certain threshold of literacy is important. We're in a crisis right now where most people go to college and are saddled with debt for a degree they don't use and are entering a job market that is heavily saturated with people in their position. What purpose does college serve in 2023 for most people? Is it necessary, absolutely critical for people to go to college? Is it that important that the US government should allocate budget for it? Why?

uwnim posted...

Personally, I'd prefer it doesn't. Making college free doesn't really do anything to fix the problems with it and likely would make them worse. It would hide the costs, so the ever increasing price would be hidden. It would make college feel even more like something that you are required to do even if all you end up doing is getting a degree that has no value outside of being a degree(as in, what you learned is irrelevant as is what the degree is in, the value is simply in having any degree) to meet the requirements of a signalling game imposed by employers.

I'll echo uwnim's point as one of the reasons why there's a ton of pushback especially in GOP states. In a number of GOP towns, their rates of degree holders is in single digits. They have a culture that never pushed for their kids to go to college and life went on as normal for them over the past couple decades. So they're absolutely flabbergasted over the prospect that someone goes to college, gets a degree, gets saddled in debt and even more possibly doesn't optimize or get any use out of the degree while everyone else has to foot the bill.

However, those who didn't live in a culture where everyone was pushed to go to college don't understand that the last sentence I wrote above more nuanced than that. In the culture for a lot coastal states, all kids hear is "college, college, college" where it's the next step in their adult life and if they don't go, they're not living life right everyone is going to look at them like "What the heck are you doing?". These kids are being taken advantage of to sign loans they're not going to pay off as colleges keep increasing tuition with no impunity. Heck, the government also added fuel to the fire by banning declaring bankruptcy over school loans from back in the 00's.

The whole college system is broken. I think the first things to assess is what purpose does college serve nowadays (versus what it idealistically serves) and if it's an absolute necessity as we move to an educational revolution in the near future.

Speaking as a college teacher, it fucking should. Tying education to money exacerbates and reinforces a caste system

No. In fact, theyll make high school cost money too.

The GOP in Iowa just made it so children can work. Gonna have to work in the mines to pay your way through high school next