Board 8 > Touhou Mafia - Topic 9: Deaf to All But the Song

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HeroicGammaRay
02/15/12 1:16:00 PM
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[2] Caelus: Kracko, Ulti
[2] Kracko: (Ulti), Fett, Raka
[1] Regaro: Caelus
[0] No Lynch: (Tom), (Anonymous)


The living: (10)

1. _Regaro_
2. Fett0001
3. htaeD
4. ImTheMacheteGuy
5. KingKracko
6. MajinZidane
7. Mr_Vaga
8. Raka_Putra
9. Tom Bombadil
10. UltimaterializerX






Dead parrots:

[KD1] masterplum - Yuyuko Saigyouji, SCUM Assassin
[LD1] eaedwards6400 - Letty Whiterock, Vanilla TOWN
[MKN1] catastrophy15 - Hina Kagiyama, Vanilla TOWN
[KN1] UltimaterializerX - ???
[KN1] XIII_rocks - Yoshika Miyako, TOWN Zombie
[KD2] Dante - Parsee Mizuhashi, Vanilla TOWN
[LD2] NewerShadow - Rinnosuke Morichika, Vanilla TOWN
[MKN2] greengravy294 - Yukari Yakumo, Vanilla TOWN
[MKN2] Articuno2001 - Nitori Kawashiro, TOWN Inventor
[MKN2] 36Eagles10 - Shikieiki Yamaxanadu, TOWN Judge
[MKN2] SBell0105 - Tewi Inaba, TOWN Roleblocker
[KD3] WalrusJump - Marisa Kirisame, SCUM Godfather
[LD3] Not_an_Owl - Nue Houjuu, SCUM Unidentifier
[KN3] Drakeryn - Patchouli Knowledge, TOWN Librarian
[KD4] Luis_Sera89 - Suika Ibuki, SCUM Pandemoniac
[LD4] Silverliner182V - Cirno, Vanilla TOWN
[KN4] Achromatic - Reimu Hakurei, TOWN Wonderful Shrine Maiden of Paradise
[KN4] Dark_Spiral - Aya Shameimaru, TOWN Reporter

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Articuno2001
02/15/12 1:16:00 PM
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Tag.

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Dark_Spiral
02/15/12 1:55:00 PM
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MajinZidane
02/15/12 2:02:00 PM
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bolo incoming:

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Tom Bombadil
02/15/12 2:04:00 PM
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From: htaeD | Posted: 2/15/2012 10:09:04 AM | #413
that said, I do wonder if scum would paralyze their own like he claims to have done


I've seen it happen before when scum is scared of tracker or prosty or such

well, not with paralyzer, but with RB at least.

also boko wants me to post that I like the kracko lynch

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MajinZidane
02/15/12 2:06:00 PM
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I think Kracko is town and at least one of the people beating the drum against him is scum.

Hi Boko.



Ulti, can you elaborate a tiny bit why and is this you implying that I am scum (you've certainly said you suspect as much already)?

because I'm not. =(

I'm trying to figure everything out with Bolo right now.

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Tom Bombadil
02/15/12 2:12:00 PM
#7:


also remind me one more time when ulti came back

I didn't actually bother to go back and check when ulti went on his rant

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KingKracko
02/15/12 2:12:00 PM
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I thought it was implying Fett or Death was scum.

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MajinZidane
02/15/12 2:14:00 PM
#9:


so what are the chances spiral was completely bluffing and had no information on silver? or should we assume that there is a scum framer-like role?

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MajinZidane
02/15/12 2:14:00 PM
#10:


kracko what do you think about post #009

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KingKracko
02/15/12 2:15:00 PM
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Because seriously Fett hasn't done much of anything all game, and then comes flying out of the gate 90 mph trying to lynch me, and then quiets down when Ulti put him in his place.

Very odd, I find.

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htaeD
02/15/12 2:16:00 PM
#12:


I think the days of town spiral gambiting like that are over, but I do question how he can be so sure

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KingKracko
02/15/12 2:19:00 PM
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If Spiral was bluffing I think he would have mentioned in the day flavor that he was bluffing, but he seemed adamant that silver was scum even after his flip. Either Spiral's theory is correct or scum has a role that can make somebody go insane or framer or somebody like that. Is somebody knowledgeable in touhou say if there is a character that would fit this sort of flavor?

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htaeD
02/15/12 2:23:00 PM
#14:


well I know Nue is connected to shapeshifting
but Owl was still alive on the night that something went wrong with Spirals watching

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Tom Bombadil
02/15/12 2:24:00 PM
#15:


I find shenanigans more likely than a Spiral bluff, myself.

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KingKracko
02/15/12 2:27:00 PM
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No death, Nue was dead at that point.

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htaeD
02/15/12 2:29:00 PM
#17:


ehr derp

sorry I meant to say dead
either way, if Silver is wrong, or if the second killwas from Scum after all, a vote paralyzer is very dangerous if you are scum
also I need to check something

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Mr_Vaga
02/15/12 2:32:00 PM
#18:


Kracko, why did you choose Spiral to paralyze for the day?

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KingKracko
02/15/12 2:32:00 PM
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I seriously doubt Spiral was killed by scum, their assassin was dead long ago, and I don't think scum usually have more than one extra killing roles. SK is very likely.

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KingKracko
02/15/12 2:33:00 PM
#20:


kneejerk reaction to Silver's flip.

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Mr_Vaga
02/15/12 2:35:00 PM
#21:


I'm just thinking that it feels kind of pointless with the fact that had Spiral been alive, he was almost guaranteed to be the lynch choice (or Chris's Dayvig choice if Chris was alive).

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KingKracko
02/15/12 2:36:00 PM
#22:


My paralysis choices have been consistent with my top scumspect every night.

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htaeD
02/15/12 2:38:00 PM
#23:


also you had another power, didnt you?
or was that Tom?

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KingKracko
02/15/12 2:39:00 PM
#24:


Anyways I found a character named Koishi that could manipulate minds, but she doesn't really strike me as scum really. I don't know if this is a productive use of time though.

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KingKracko
02/15/12 2:41:00 PM
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If post 23 was directed at me, you are definitely thinking of Tom, who is double voter as well as some sort of one day mason recruiter.

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htaeD
02/15/12 2:54:00 PM
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I see
well I was wishing I could look back and see whether you claimed you paralyzed Luis before or after Boko claimed his track on Luis
but it doesnt matter I guess, since you already proved you could paralyze someone once

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Raka_Putra
02/15/12 2:55:00 PM
#27:


New topic tag.

I also have caught up to everything so far.

Still puzzled by Spiral insisting that Silver visited me.
Is it possible that Spiral's the one who flipped town upon his death? Maybe he wants us to think that SIlver was the scum to...I don't know, throw the suspicion to someone?

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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/15/12 2:55:00 PM
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Either Spiral's theory is correct or scum has a role that can make somebody go insane or framer or somebody like that. Is somebody knowledgeable in touhou say if there is a character that would fit this sort of flavor?

Reisen is associated both with hallucinations and making people go insane. She is a popular character and I've already suspected she's in the game. She has a spellcard that make bullets briefly invisible. She also has ones where bullets become translucent (you can pass through them safely) and move, then become deadly one again (forcing you to reposition yourself). She attempts to conceal a door leading to Kaguya (the primary antagonist) to try and sent the player on a decoy route to the secondary antagonist (Eirin) to protect Kaguya. The game has a time system and if you play a stage well enough, you get to face a special spellcard at the boss and only a hour hour passes in game time as opposed to an hour. If you beat Reisen early enough in the night, she will not have concealed the door and you will be able to choose Kaguya's route (failing makes you automatically go to Eirin's route). In addition, the previous (fourth stage) pits you against another protagonist (Reimu or Marisa) because she suspects you of creating the game's incident while you assume it's her. Only after that battle do you discover the mansion where the incident creators are. In addition, an earlier boss Keine has the ability to "conceal history" as well as concealing a village she protects (so she could have a role that reflects that). She isn't as important of a character to the story, but is also associated with the game's Extra stage boss, Mokou (bitter enemy of Kaguya). She is immortal and self-revives.

I can't think of anyone that fits better for that type of role than Reisen, and she's pretty well known. B8 has a boner for Lunatic Eyes ~ Invisibile Full Moon more than any other Touhou song and that's her theme, so she'd be a prime candidate for this

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Raka_Putra
02/15/12 2:59:00 PM
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Regarding that, do you think there's another possible character that might be in this game but unclaimed?
AFAIK, 'important' Touhou characters include...Remilia, Flandre, Youmu...

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htaeD
02/15/12 3:00:00 PM
#30:


Is it possible that Spiral's the one who flipped town upon his death? Maybe he wants us to think that SIlver was the scum to...I don't know, throw the suspicion to someone?

except he probably didnt plan on dying tonight
and a 1 vs 1 trade doesnt sound smart, not when its just to get rid of a nilla

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KingKracko
02/15/12 3:01:00 PM
#31:


I'm pretty sure I confirmed my Luis paralysis before Boko's claim, I confirmed it pretty early that day. I know I confirmed before Luis was shot by Chris for sure.

And thanks for the flavor Caelus, Reisen does seem to fit if that role does exist.

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htaeD
02/15/12 3:01:00 PM
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also Remillia and Flandre sound like perfect scum candidates, even though I still dont know what the split is all about

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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/15/12 3:01:00 PM
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Anyways I found a character named Koishi that could manipulate minds, but she doesn't really strike me as scum really. I don't know if this is a productive use of time though.

Koishi is Satori's sister. She technically has the same mind reading power, but basically sealed it because she saw how negatively people responded to Satori's mind reading. While her spellcards are psychology-based (references to the Id, Superego, Rorschack tests or whatever those are called and my favorite Touhou spellcard of all time, Youkai Polygraph), I don't think she really manipulates minds. She mostly interacts with her pets, which the player never meets. Satori's pets Utsuho and Orin caused and tried to make aware (respectively) the incident of that game, after Utsuho gained powers. Koishi then went to the source of those powers to try and get powers for her pets as well (the source being the mountain gods from the previous game). I did consider her as a suspect. She's an important but often overlooked character, but I personally Reisen is a much better fit

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Raka_Putra
02/15/12 3:02:00 PM
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From: htaeD | #030
Is it possible that Spiral's the one who flipped town upon his death? Maybe he wants us to think that SIlver was the scum to...I don't know, throw the suspicion to someone?

except he probably didnt plan on dying tonight
and a 1 vs 1 trade doesnt sound smart, not when its just to get rid of a nilla


Perhaps he suspect he'll be killed by the SK that night?
Scum -> Chris
SK -> Spiral
So Spiral decided to leave a dying message...

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htaeD
02/15/12 3:02:00 PM
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well its not impossible, as I said I have seen ultimate godfathers who can just lie their way through watches and tracks

either way this silver business has little bearing on our plans for today

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htaeD
02/15/12 3:04:00 PM
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only Scum would know if there was an SK yes, and I suppose he could figure that by that point the SK would want to shoot scum

I still dont see him going through all that though,

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Mr_Vaga
02/15/12 3:08:00 PM
#37:


Someone explain Prosty to me,

Is it generally just, the prosty sleeps without someone and can tell if they got out of bed (ie performed a night action) and that's it, or is there more to it?

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Mr_Vaga
02/15/12 3:11:00 PM
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But they have no knowledge if someone else interrupted their night with the target?

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Raka_Putra
02/15/12 3:11:00 PM
#41:


Hmm, perhaps we can drop the Silver-Spiral business, like you said. It's just sidetracking us at this point.

So with 4 scum dead, we have...3? 4? left to find. And most likely 1 SK.

The players alive:
1. _Regaro_ (Rumia/Vanilla)
2. Fett0001 (Sunny Milk/Miller)
3. htaeD (Mystia/Vanilla)
4. Caelus (Sakuya/Vanilla)
5. KingKracko (Lily White/Herald)
6. MajinZidane (Kogasa/Vagabound)
7. Mr_Vaga (Sanae/Reviver)
8. Raka_Putra (Eirin/Doctor)
9. Tom Bombadil (Satori/Mind Reader)
10. UltimaterializerX (Merlin Prismriver/
Vanilla)


I know I'm not a scum, so that leaves 9.
...welp, I'm stuck. The one I'm most confident of being town is Tom, since, like people have said, scum double voter is just too mean.
Then I have no idea. I'm leaning town on Regaro because of Chris' scan, but there's the problem with Reisen.

What did Boko said about his ability as 'vagabond'?

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htaeD
02/15/12 3:13:00 PM
#42:


eh I am pretty cool with Luis
whatever happened with Spiral, Raka and Silver, something was prepared in advance
I feel like Boko would not have bothered framing Luis to make himself look good, not at that point

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htaeD
02/15/12 3:13:00 PM
#43:


*Boko
pretty cool with Boko
x.x

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htaeD
02/15/12 3:16:00 PM
#45:


I wish we could make an appeal to occams razor on regaro
but lord almighty Reg can ride forged confirmations like a champ (AW mafia anyone?)

still; inclined to go with the logical route and assume scum wouldnt have a cop-fooling role if they already had a godfather

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htaeD
02/15/12 3:16:00 PM
#46:


whats your reason for liking Fett again, Ulti?

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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/15/12 3:29:00 PM
#47:


Regarding that, do you think there's another possible character that might be in this game but unclaimed?
AFAIK, 'important' Touhou characters include...Remilia, Flandre, Youmu..


also Remillia and Flandre sound like perfect scum candidates, even though I still dont know what the split is all about

Flandre is my #1 suspect for SK by far. She's sociopathic, psychotic, destroys everything around her and pretty much is kept locked in the basement by Remilia (though she doesn't seem to mind). She'd make sense as scum too (and so would Remilia). I don't know what scum role would make sense for her (Flandre), though she is associated with Agatha Christie's And Then There Were None. She also has a spellcard where she splits into four, so early on I was thinking of her as potential double-voter, but Satori makes as much sense and was my other thought for that role. Both are vampires.

If I could figure out the connection between the 4 dead scum, I would have a much better idea of who might also be included. So far, all are final or extra bosses. Remilia and Flandre are final and extra respectively. Eirin is sort of a final (if you don't beat Reisen in time). She makes potions (including an immortality potion) so she could have an item ability like Nitori did. Scum doctor Eirin who can make potions seems plausible. I don't see Kanako or Suwako being scum. They never really had very bad intentions, and being gods, I'd think they'd make more sense as Vanillas (like Yukari). Utsuho is a final, Koishi is extra. I don't see Byakuren as scum. She was more about humans and Youkai living in peace. As for the newest game, there's Miko and Mamizou. Miko can hear 10 desires at once (like understanding/processing what everyone is saying in a room where everyone is talking at once). She was essentially revived to stop the revival of Byakuren, and is based on some Japanese historical figure, apparently a reincarnation. Mamizou is referred to as a "Youkai trump card," a last resort to stop Byakuren's revival who it seems showed up late.

The problem, "all scum = last bosses or extra bosses" is shaky and includes a lot of characters. The only other connection between the 4 we've got already is that they're featured in different games. As far as relationships, Marisa can basically be connected to everyone as she's a main character of the series, and with her being scum and Reimu being town, that gives us nothing. Kogasa is the mid-boss in Nue's stage but is also the mid-boss in Yoshika's stage in the next game. Yuyuko is also the first boss in the newest game (may have already mentioned this).

I would say that with Marisa being godfather (assuming that means the leader of the scum) and Reimu being the most broken town role, the line should be drawn based on them, which makes it difficult because the only time they were against each other was in Imperishable Night (touhou 8). Yuyuko was playable, but choosing her team, you would fight against Marisa. Nue didn't show up until touhou 12.

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htaeD
02/15/12 3:30:00 PM
#48:


flavor isnt gonna help us much with scumhunting anyway

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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/15/12 3:36:00 PM
#49:


I'm thinking Caelus today, then Raka and Death in some order. I honestly do buy Kracko here, though admittedly my reads this game have been trash.

I agree with Kracko being town and it's unfortunate that you want to lynch me, but I am indeed town and I will flip exactly what I've claimed. Obviously I'm new to this and not much help beyond my Touhou knowledge (even then I can't god damn figure out the split >_<) and it seems as though vanillas are expendable when there's no obvious, proven scum.

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htaeD
02/15/12 3:39:00 PM
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if only we had atomic bombs

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