Board 8 > Mercenaries 4 Mafia Topic 3: Yuffie steals gravy's Create Mafia Topic ability.

(+) Yeah! (+)

wait damnit

[3] Ben: (Ulti), Scare, (mzero), Leo, Leo2
[3] Ulti: (IGCD), Corrik, Lopen, IGCD
[2] MZero: (Oddity), Kanz, Oddity
[2] Corrik: Shad, (vi), Ulti
[2] Tony: Death, Johnbobb
[1] Johnbobb: (Kanz), Tony
[1] Shaduln: Ben
[1] Kan: (MZero), MZero
[0] death: (chris), (Ben), (Chris), (VI)
[0] IGCD: (Ulti), (oddity)
[0] Oddity: (Lopen)
[0] Chris: (Corrik)
[0] Leo: (VI), (ben), (death), (Oddity), (chris)
[0] Lopen: (God), (Oddity), (Ulti), (Chris)
[0] VI: (Ulti), (Ulti), (Oddity), (Oddity)

Ok
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Votals are wrong. Failure!
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K out til like 10pm. Implore you to consider lynching ulti today.
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So it is

as of #154

[3] Ben: (Ulti), Scare, (mzero), Leo, Leo2
[3] Ulti: (IGCD), Corrik, Lopen, IGCD
[2] MZero: (Oddity), Kanz, Oddity
[2] Tony: Death, Johnbobb
[1] Corrik: Shad, (vi), (Ulti)
[1] Johnbobb: (Kanz), Tony
[1] Shaduln: Ben
[1] Kan: (MZero), MZero
[1] death: (chris), (Ben), (Chris), (VI), Ulti
[0] IGCD: (Ulti), (oddity)
[0] Oddity: (Lopen)
[0] Chris: (Corrik)
[0] Leo: (VI), (ben), (death), (Oddity), (chris)
[0] Lopen: (God), (Oddity), (Ulti), (Chris)
[0] VI: (Ulti), (Ulti), (Oddity), (Oddity)
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Also didn't Ulti just unvote?

But yeah, my reasoning for being on Corrik has nothing to do with his fight with Ulti. Corrik is acting too different from his last game (where he was town). It feels like he's trying to overcompensate with "town Corrik" traits. Going after strong players, posting a bunch and in bursts, etc. Feels fake.

Also, his response to asking if he was town to me was that he was scum. More times than not I've found that scum is more likely to be cute and answer that way.
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Host ninja'd.
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Anyway Ulti's only defense of himself has been self introduced wifom regarding his flavor and role. Hell I'm probably the Serial Killer of Mercs 4, I was certainly violent enough and lashed out at-

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Oh jesus fucking christ of course I am the serial killer.

##vote: Ulti

Either I am safe listed or I am totally the untargetable serial killer. I know it is considered bad to bring up serial killers but it totally fits the flavor let's be real.
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...hmm, that's an interesting thought but very flavor heavy.
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I could lynch solely Ulti because since when is town untargetable a thing anyway?
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...You know, that actually would make some sense. It balances out the 'ulti isn't being aggro-lurky like he was as scum' fact with 'but he got real venomous near the end of last topic'. Gotta think on this some but that's...actually surprisingly appropriate.
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Corrik posted...

If you had listened to me last game, we would not have mislynched town power last game day 1.

I was scum last game why would i have wanted to lynch Ulti first?
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Like, to clarify my thinking: it's not about whether a serial killer fits the flavor or not because I would legit buy any setup for mercs. It's about the fact that this would fit Ulti's personality pattern this game, which to me is much more important, because most of his play just hasn't said 'scum' but it was hard to sell that explosion near the end of last topic as towny. This also makes me feel way better about Corrik all of a sudden, because I feel like he'd spot this personality shift.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Like, to clarify my thinking: it's not about whether a serial killer fits the flavor or not because I would legit buy any setup for mercs. It's about the fact that this would fit Ulti's personality pattern this game, which to me is much more important, because most of his play just hasn't said 'scum' but it was hard to sell that explosion near the end of last topic as towny. This also makes me feel way better about Corrik all of a sudden, because I feel like he'd spot this personality shift.

I don't agree, even setting aside the fact that SK is scum, I think the "Corrik is 100% scum" 30 times in a row accomplishes the same result as his 2 consecutive explosive posts last game.
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Basically what I'm saying is I think Corrik looks like a different player this game to last than Ulti does.
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You know how dumb my claim is if I was actually was an SK, right? It's literal suicide.
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Stop with the WIFOM <_<. You've done nothing but WIFOM defense.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Basically what I'm saying is I think Corrik looks like a different player this game to last than Ulti does.

This makes no grammatical sense.
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The only reason I don't feel great about lynching Ulti is if he ends up actually being Town Untargetable, which is an OP role and would be a horrible loss. But he's been sure to tell us that a bunch...so maybe I ought to stop listening to it. And you know what screw it I shouldn't feel bad, if he's telling the truth then he played it badly by claiming like this
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UItimaterializer posted...

You know how dumb my claim is if I was actually was an SK, right? It's literal suicide.

What makes it different?

You literally said "Town don't target me, or you'll be sorry!"
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway Ulti's only defense of himself has been self introduced wifom regarding his flavor and role. Hell I'm probably the Serial Killer of Mercs 4, I was certainly violent enough and lashed out at-

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Oh jesus fucking christ of course I am the serial killer.

##vote: Ulti

Either I am safe listed or I am totally the untargetable serial killer. I know it is considered bad to bring up serial killers but it totally fits the flavor let's be real.

Serial Killer in 18 huh

Might mean scum team is super small if that's the case. Scum Double Voter is a legit possibility if that's the case

(Also I had you pegged as bomb but I know literally nothing about Mercs so)
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UItimaterializer posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Basically what I'm saying is I think Corrik looks like a different player this game to last than Ulti does.

This makes no grammatical sense.

I'm saying you look similar to last game, Corrik looks completely different.

It was in response to Kanz saying you look different from last game because last game you snapped at people.
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VeryInsane posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway Ulti's only defense of himself has been self introduced wifom regarding his flavor and role. Hell I'm probably the Serial Killer of Mercs 4, I was certainly violent enough and lashed out at-

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Oh jesus fucking christ of course I am the serial killer.

##vote: Ulti

Either I am safe listed or I am totally the untargetable serial killer. I know it is considered bad to bring up serial killers but it totally fits the flavor let's be real.

Serial Killer in 18 huh

Might mean scum team is super small if that's the case. Scum Double Voter is a legit possibility if that's the case

(Also I had you pegged as bomb but I know literally nothing about Mercs so)

18 is a great number for sk

5-1-12 keeps scum at 33% but with two factions of scum.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Stop with the WIFOM <_<. You've done nothing but WIFOM defense.

I've done tons of scunhunting in this game. But if I'm falsely accused I'm not supposed to defend myself?
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UItimaterializer posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Basically what I'm saying is I think Corrik looks like a different player this game to last than Ulti does.

This makes no grammatical sense.

glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

UItimaterializer posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Basically what I'm saying is I think Corrik looks like a different player this game to last than Ulti does.

This makes no grammatical sense.

I'm saying you look similar to last game, Corrik looks completely different.

It was in response to Kanz saying you look different from last game because last game you snapped at people.

Not just that Ulti snapped at people but also that he did nothing but react to my prodding (and other people's). Like he lashed out but didn't do any scumhunting. I've felt like he's trying to be proactive this game, but the thing is, a SK also tries hard to scumhunt. It's something I can't dismiss out of hand because it works with the rest of his reactions well.
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benjamin3740 posted...

The only reason I don't feel great about lynching Ulti is if he ends up actually being Town Untargetable, which is an OP role and would be a horrible loss. But he's been sure to tell us that a bunch...so maybe I ought to stop listening to it. And you know what screw it I shouldn't feel bad, if he's telling the truth then he played it badly by claiming like this

I never play anything badly.
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UItimaterializer posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Stop with the WIFOM <_<. You've done nothing but WIFOM defense.

I've done tons of scunhunting in this game. But if I'm falsely accused I'm not supposed to defend myself?

Excuse me, I overly simplified.

When defending yourself you've done nothing but WIFOM defense.
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People who bring up an SK on day one are usually not town.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway Ulti's only defense of himself has been self introduced wifom regarding his flavor and role. Hell I'm probably the Serial Killer of Mercs 4, I was certainly violent enough and lashed out at-

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Oh jesus fucking christ of course I am the serial killer.

##vote: Ulti

Either I am safe listed or I am totally the untargetable serial killer. I know it is considered bad to bring up serial killers but it totally fits the flavor let's be real.

Get cucked, Serial Ulti Killer x.
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Anyway you may not be serial killer, but boy does it make more sense than sir chris town untargetable after the swath of terror I left in my wake the last 15 or so game days of mercs <_<
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I was going back and reading when Ulti first claimed and I stumbled upon this post

Oddity posted... Topic 1 Page 2

Oh kanz has already checked in. Try not to turn on your lynch magnet please.

This post is FISHY. If Oddity is town here, he's just assuming Kanz is town (otherwise turning on the lynch magnet would be great!)

That's not really significant on it's own, but I do find it suspicious that Oddity and Kanz are the only ones voting me, Oddity first on flimsy reasoning. After I went after Kanz he counter-voted me on weak reasons that I proved false and he pretty much ignored to talk about SKs and stuff instead. and Oddity voted me again after that.

Also Oddity has done little else but hound me all game and I still don't really understand why.
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Also outside of role and flavor meta, which I love, how you played this is just really bad if you are what you say you are, and when good players do subversive things they are usually scum.
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MZero11 posted...

I was going back and reading when Ulti first claimed and I stumbled upon this post

Oddity posted... Topic 1 Page 2

Oh kanz has already checked in. Try not to turn on your lynch magnet please.

This post is FISHY. If Oddity is town here, he's just assuming Kanz is town (otherwise turning on the lynch magnet would be great!)

That's not really significant on it's own, but I do find it suspicious that Oddity and Kanz are the only ones voting me, Oddity first on flimsy reasoning. After I went after Kanz he counter-voted me on weak reasons that I proved false and he pretty much ignored to talk about SKs and stuff instead. and Oddity voted me again after that.

Also Oddity has done little else but hound me all game and I still don't really understand why.

If Oddity is scum he slipped Kanz is town, so how is it suspicious those two are on you? Explain?
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

VeryInsane posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway Ulti's only defense of himself has been self introduced wifom regarding his flavor and role. Hell I'm probably the Serial Killer of Mercs 4, I was certainly violent enough and lashed out at-

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Oh jesus fucking christ of course I am the serial killer.

##vote: Ulti

Either I am safe listed or I am totally the untargetable serial killer. I know it is considered bad to bring up serial killers but it totally fits the flavor let's be real.

Serial Killer in 18 huh

Might mean scum team is super small if that's the case. Scum Double Voter is a legit possibility if that's the case

(Also I had you pegged as bomb but I know literally nothing about Mercs so)

18 is a great number for sk

5-1-12 keeps scum at 33% but with two factions of scum.

I disagree unless Town is heavily stacked for it. I think 19 is slightly better.

But I digress. I think Ulti admitting that doing that repeating thing was a scum strategy of his worries me quite a bit, but idk
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also outside of role and flavor meta, which I love, how you played this is just really bad if you are what you say you are, and when good players do subversive things they are usually scum.

Hey I said earlier I've never been this role and had no idea how to play it properly. I won't even pretend I couldn't have done it better.
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What's the "correct" way to play town untargetable?
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Also Ulti did you really expect 'only scum bring up Serial Killer' to work on the guy who has lynched a lot of serial killers <_<
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UItimaterializer posted...

What's the "correct" way to play town untargetable?

In this scenario flavor claim at some point and that's it. Nothing screams town power like a good ole Sir Chris claim.
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Given I'm town, sure.
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Ulti why did you claim untargetable Day 1

Just curious you could have drawn a shot
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MZero11 posted...

I was going back and reading when Ulti first claimed and I stumbled upon this post

Oddity posted... Topic 1 Page 2

Oh kanz has already checked in. Try not to turn on your lynch magnet please.

This post is FISHY. If Oddity is town here, he's just assuming Kanz is town (otherwise turning on the lynch magnet would be great!)

That's not really significant on it's own, but I do find it suspicious that Oddity and Kanz are the only ones voting me, Oddity first on flimsy reasoning. After I went after Kanz he counter-voted me on weak reasons that I proved false and he pretty much ignored to talk about SKs and stuff instead. and Oddity voted me again after that.

Also Oddity has done little else but hound me all game and I still don't really understand why.

What reasons you proved false

I said you'd wagoned people twice, and you did - once in topic one, again later on leo

I didn't say you wagoned leo twice, that's being insanely pedantic and reading something that isn't there.

So since you're here though, let's talk - what do you think about Corrik and Ulti, Miz? What's your take on them?
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MZero's new nickname is officially the Miz

Also Hi Kanz what do you think of

Death
Ulti
Chris
Kanz

Sorry I had to
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aw man I don't suppose Corrik's still around

I'd love to hear his thoughts on a SK Ulti Chris

(also everyone who was actually in Mercs, plz make it clear whether you're referring to yourself as yourself or yourself as someone else's flavor. Chris shouting "I'm the serial killer!" really threw me off for a second)
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Context, John,come on.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

-Oddity has jumped around a LOT with his votes and it kinda stands out to me because they feel very reactive. But he's 'shooting from the hip' and none of them feel wrong or unexplainable. Getting a solidly town read from him, just town that focuses a lot on the game at hand instead of 'the archive' (as I think of the evidence backlog from past games).

Kanz thinks Oddity is "solidly Town". He votes me and then Oddity votes me awhile later without actually saying why he unvoted VI at all

Oddity posted...

Shit, I was hoping to catch up on the game before I left for work. I'm not going to have a lot of time when I do get home to really do some serious thinking. Ulti's early claim is what makes me think he's town;however, corrik is setting off my towndar so hard it hurts. I wish I had time to go back and really evaluate. So instead I'm going to propose a third option.

Unvote
Vote: Mzero

Please lynch Mzero or Johnbob. Mzero has felt scummy to me all game, fixating on little things that don't matter and in general just setting off my scumdar. Johnbob is uselessly inactive which he apparently does as scum, kill it with fire. Either are fine. If one of Ulti/Corrik is scum at this point my gut says it's Ulti. During the night I'm probably going to read up on some of these games that are being referenced. But I really think you're both town.

He talks about Ulti and Corrik but not VI who his vote was actually on. His reasoning sucks because I haven't fixated on anything all game I've been commenting on all sorts of different things. I may be paranoid here but I think Kanz and Oddity are in cahoots. Johnbobb too because it looks like they're both lightly bussing him.

Top 3 scum right now: Kanz, Oddity, Johnbobb
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

What reasons you proved false

I said you'd wagoned people twice, and you did - once in topic one, again later on leo

I didn't say you wagoned leo twice, that's being insanely pedantic and reading something that isn't there.

So since you're here though, let's talk - what do you think about Corrik and Ulti, Miz? What's your take on them?

I told you I didn't vote Leo at all >_> look at votals again I have never voted Leo

I also didn't wagon on anyone... please tell me who I wagoned? I voted twice, you and Ben. Was it you with a whopping 0 votes? You may be able to make an argument for the Ben vote but that would be a very liberal definition of a wagon!

Ulti and Corrik are most likely both Town. That's usually how these things turn out. Corrik I'm more certain is Town though. I'm a little worried that Ulti is scum who was forcing it too much and ran out of material which is why he had to spam the same post so many times, but he's pretty low on my list atm
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

If Oddity is scum he slipped Kanz is town, so how is it suspicious those two are on you? Explain?

Well if they are both scum obviously Oddity wouldn't want Kanz to get himself lynched either!
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You are thinking Oddity is way too trash of a scum player if you think that's within his wheelhouse as scum to do.
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going back to the past here as I plow into Ulti VS Corrik

Ulti why didnt you want Corrik lynched right away, if you were so sure he was scum (which you arent anymore?)
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Context, John,come on.

That's why I said "a second"

it's a good habit to get out of early
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