Board 8 > ~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 3 - I am not going to battle to win

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"I am not going to battle to win. With the Tokugawa government about to collapse, it would be a disgrace if no one is willing to go down with it. That is why I must go. I will fight the best battle of my life to die for the country"

-Hijikata Toshizo

Alive (15):
Chris
Death
Dowolf
KBM
Lolo
Oddity
pezloco
Phoenix
Plum
Red (Replaced Leo)
SBell
Scare
Sceptile
Tombolo
VeryInsane

Dead (0):
(Nobody!)

[5] Oddity - KBM, Sceptile, Death, Chris, Phoenix, (Scare)
[3] Sceptile - (Oddity), Lolo, (Oddity), (Oddity), Oddity, Dowolf
[2] Scare - (Chris), (Oddity), Plum, (Dowolf), VI
[1] Death – pezloco
[1] red – Sbell
[1] Lolo – (Tombolo), Tombolo
[0] pezloco - (Chris), (Plum), (Sbell), (Tombolo)
[0] Chris – (Scare)
[0] VeryInsane - (Phoenix)
[0] Phoenix - (Dowolf), (Oddity)
[0] Dowolf – (Sceptile), (Tombolo)
[0] Plum – (Scare)
[0] No Lynch - (Tombolo), (pezloco)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00:00 PM Eastern tonight (About 3.5 hours)
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sake bombs all around
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ScareChan posted...

sake bombs all around

So scare claimed lurker
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Ive posted several times today
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Still feeling okay lynching Oddity. I feel like Lolo would be a bad lynch because it throws things to the roll of the dice too much. Obviously I don't want to be lynched, and I don't feel the scare lynch. Dowolf is the other person pinging my scumdar here.
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We aren't lynching an inactive
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ScareChan posted...

sake bombs all around

Yes give me one.

Also I realize I have been a bit aloof, apologies for having been in and out. I am still surprisingly fine with the Oddity lynch considering he was my first vote, but the Scare lynch also feels more like a decent alternative the more time passes. I'd prefer lynching Scare to lynching Sceptile, anyway, who has felt pretty genuine to me so far.

Other town reads I've got right now include Tom, plum, and to a lesser extent dowolf.

dowolf posted...

masterplum posted...

Dowolf popping in for a useless joke is probably a scum slip. I've made that mistake before where you are consciously not contributing as scum, but then a funny presents itself and you forget you're supposed to be not posting

So here's the question, guys: Is Plum actually that stupid, that he would go after me for exactly the same reasons scum went after me last game, when anyone who has played with me before knows that I do not fall silent as a scum tactic period, or is he scum?

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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Other town reads I've got right now include Tom, plum, and to a lesser extent dowolf.

...Why?
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Kbm is probably town
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dowolf posted...

dowolf posted...

masterplum posted...

Dowolf popping in for a useless joke is probably a scum slip. I've made that mistake before where you are consciously not contributing as scum, but then a funny presents itself and you forget you're supposed to be not posting

So here's the question, guys: Is Plum actually that stupid, that he would go after me for exactly the same reasons scum went after me last game, when anyone who has played with me before knows that I do not fall silent as a scum tactic period, or is he scum?

Oh right. I read that and thought wtf were you talking about. I have no idea what your last game even was let alone the alignment or reasons for your lynch

if you are talking about the last game I was in I was a SK. I didn't give a crap who died during the day. Was the least of my worries.
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Definitely agree on Lolo being a bad lynch. If he flips town, we learn just about nothing from it. It would have been a freebie for scum. And if he's scum? Well, we'd have one less to worry about, but minimal info still. Day 2 would pretty much be day 1 plus night 1 action results.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Kbm is probably town

Could I get your reasoning on this? I fail to see anything more than null for KBM at the moment
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You have failed to address the second, altogether more damning half of the statement.
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gonna have to hit the bed sooner than usual because of my job
I am comfortable with my vote where it is
I didnt even realize sceptile was still runner-up, and looking at those votes I dont like that lynch at all (and I already am leaning more on townscept anyway)
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Phoenix-Smasher posted...

Definitely agree on Lolo being a bad lynch. If he flips town, we learn just about nothing from it. It would have been a freebie for scum. And if he's scum? Well, we'd have one less to worry about, but minimal info still. Day 2 would pretty much be day 1 plus night 1 action results.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Kbm is probably town

Could I get your reasoning on this? I fail to see anything more than null for KBM at the moment

Sure, my literal thought "what kind of scum walks into the topic, buddies with dowolf or not, and says he is one of their 3 town reads."
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I am almost sure I caught you as scum for falling silent before
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That is entirely a member of town seeing something and going "that's a read I have" tbqh
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dowolf posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Other town reads I've got right now include Tom, plum, and to a lesser extent dowolf.

...Why?

Are you asking why it's to a lesser extent, or why you're on the list in the first place?

If your question is the former, it's because you haven't done all that much, and if it's the latter, my gut is telling me you've seemed consistent with the town dowolf I'm used to.

masterplum posted...

I am almost sure I caught you as scum for falling silent before

When?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sure, my literal thought "what kind of scum walks into the topic, buddies with dowolf or not, and says he is one of their 3 town reads."

Someone who thinks I'mma die soon and wants to look good in hindsight.
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Uh dowolf, we aren't lynching you today bud.
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Why would I think you're going to die soon?

dowolf posted...

masterplum posted...

I am almost sure I caught you as scum for falling silent before

When?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sure, my literal thought "what kind of scum walks into the topic, buddies with dowolf or not, and says he is one of their 3 town reads."

Someone who thinks I'mma die soon and wants to look good in hindsight.

It was like 6 years ago
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

If your question is the former, it's because you haven't done all that much, and if it's the latter, my gut is telling me you've seemed consistent with the town dowolf I'm used to.

on the one hand, this seems dubious.

on the other hand, holy shit someone doesn't think I'm Kinzo what is this nonsense?
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am I just tired, or did this 'dowolf is gonna die thing' come out of nowhere?
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Uh dowolf, we aren't lynching you today bud.

Even if this is true, dowolf is in enough contention that it isn't completely farfetched to think KBM could have acted as Dowolf hypothesized.
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Well I think we can all trust that vague memories of nondescript events from the distant past provide infallible truths about the present.
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I can die for reasons besides the lynch. For all you know, I'm a treestump!

I mean, you know I'm not a treestump now, but you didn't, so~
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dowolf posted...

Well I think we can all trust that vague memories of nondescript events from the distant past provide infallible truths about the present.

you asked if it ever happened.

what sort of answer were you expecting? If I asked you if anyone has ever done anything the answer is probably yes by sheer probability.

you are on a total wild goose chase
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htaeD posted...

am I just tired, or did this 'dowolf is gonna die thing' come out of nowhere?

Hey, dowolf's the one that said it first.

masterplum posted...

Even if this is true, dowolf is in enough contention that it isn't completely farfetched to think KBM could have acted as Dowolf hypothesized.

How is zero votes "contention"?

dowolf posted...

Well I think we can all trust that vague memories of nondescript events from the distant past provide infallible truths about the present.

This is the definition of a gut read. Nobody said anything about infallible truths.

You're falling out of my top three town reads in record time.

kbm is probably right, dowolf is town.
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Your argument was convincing enough that it got someone to vote me. This suggests it should have actual basis behind it, not have the consistency of a house of cards.
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I'm pretty sure dowolf is tails doll guys
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Oh wait that last comment was probably in response to plum. Though I don't think he said anything about infallible truths either.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

htaeD posted...

am I just tired, or did this 'dowolf is gonna die thing' come out of nowhere?

Hey, dowolf's the one that said it first.

masterplum posted...

Even if this is true, dowolf is in enough contention that it isn't completely farfetched to think KBM could have acted as Dowolf hypothesized.

How is zero votes "contention"?

dowolf posted...

Well I think we can all trust that vague memories of nondescript events from the distant past provide infallible truths about the present.

This is the definition of a gut read. Nobody said anything about infallible truths.

You're falling out of my top three town reads in record time.

Going to be honest. After I posted that I looked at the votes and literally "oh" 'd

I was hoping we could just move past this one.
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Holding multiple conversations at the same time without using quote blocks is probably a mistake.
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can I point out that scare was intune with the topics to post immediately when the new one came up but didn't post the 20 minutes prior or the 35 since?
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Yup Scare and Oddity, epic scum buddies???
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Yup Scare and Oddity, epic scum buddies???

This scenario feels surprisingly likely, to be honest.

(I'm agreeing with Chris on Day 1, surely the end times are fast approaching.)

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Yup Scare and Oddity, epic scum buddies???

I'm thinking so. Oddity's responses haven't thrilled me, but I am worried how quickly he has been piled on. I'm very interested in his next post
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I like the people who piled on Oddity tbh
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I still don't agree with Scare being scum
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Actually, I think Scare and Oddity are in fact tied together partially.


Thinking about that vote by Scare on Oddity.

Town Oddity/Scum Scare makes this an absolutely horrible vote by scare. Oddity is the lynch leader and is likely to get lynched anyways. You still have several hours in the day where things could swing, and if Oddity is lynched you look completely awful. The immediate unvote indicates scare had no awareness of the votals at the time.

I think it is pretty safe to call this not the case

I think an oddity lynch would probably tell us more about scare than a scare lynch would tell us about oddity. If oddity flips town I'm going to throw it in reverse on him. He feels zoned out, but I never thought of him as an actively bad scum player.
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...Plum's reasoning in #42 is bad.

like.

You have, at best, argued that Scare was not paying attention to votals.

That's it.
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I'm arguing that scum scare isn't an idiot
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No you're not.

Now, what are you arguing? Are you arguing that town scare is an idiot? Are you arguing that scum scare is not smart enough to show aggression when it would be expected from town scare? Or something else entirely? I do not know, but that is a far more interesting question than any you've posed.
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tag
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I am around, but so far this topic is 'blah blah' so Oddity dying it is.
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man it is two hours to lynch where is everyone.
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...Well played, Chris.

Well played.
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I do try.

Anyway Oddity is a great lynch, glad I pushed it.
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