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Lopen
03/03/24 9:20:31 PM
#351:


Pretty sure if you accept a date your date requests close (but not the ones to you)

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Chaeix
03/03/24 9:22:15 PM
#352:


The biggest town points for Kirby in that exchange is definitely his willingness to leave and possibly let himself die until he saw the FD post and dated him. "I'm leaving ##breakup, it's okay if you kill me but please don't" is pretty strong town vibes

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Lopen
03/03/24 9:23:34 PM
#353:


Chaeix posted...
The biggest town points for Kirby in that exchange is definitely his willingness to leave and possibly let himself die until he saw the FD post and dated him

Peaf was in the pool and only had a date request open to Kirby

If Kirby is paired zero risk to him at that moment

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Kirby321
03/03/24 9:27:16 PM
#354:


Lopen posted...
Peaf was in the pool and only had a date request open to Kirby

If Kirby is paired zero risk to him at that moment

Two things:

1) At that point in the day, if I was paired, I wouldn't be able to split without my partner also consenting. So if I was paired and Peaf only extended a date to me, then that isn't zero risk, because my flexibility would be severely dependent on my partner's willingness to risk their life for me to save Peaf.

2) Peaf literally peaced out after sending his date to me. Exhibit A:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/906cfa84.png

Dude had no intents of showing up to deadline and just assumed that I would date him. And keep in mind, this is at least one page before I tried to date Lea.

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Kirby321
03/03/24 9:29:16 PM
#355:


Like, it's tiring beating his EoD D1 horse, but if Lopen is misconstruing things to favor a lynch on me and JC is actually believing him, you bet your ass I'm gonna be presenting the truth lol

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Lopen
03/03/24 9:30:41 PM
#356:


That's true

There was some risk Lea wouldn't break up

But Lea is so mercurial and chaotic I could definitely see gambling on that

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Lopen
03/03/24 9:31:41 PM
#357:


Kirby321 posted...
2) Peaf literally peaced out after sending his date to me. Exhibit A:

This actually makes you look worse in a way

If he is peacing out does that not imply the understood gameplan is for you to accept his date?

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Chaeix
03/03/24 9:33:02 PM
#358:


Lopen posted...
This actually makes you look worse in a way

If he is peacing out does that not imply the understood gameplan is for you to accept his date?
kirby i can't say that i didn't have this same thought.

kind of reads like peaf took your acceptance for granted and expected it. why leave if he's not certain you'll accept?

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Chaeix
03/03/24 9:34:33 PM
#359:


Kirby321 posted...
Like, it's tiring beating his EoD D1 horse, but if Lopen is misconstruing things to favor a lynch on me and JC is actually believing him, you bet your ass I'm gonna be presenting the truth lol
don't you worry sultan is still at the top of my list and a sultan scum flip makes you look better imo

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Lopen
03/03/24 9:37:18 PM
#360:


##Breakup

If JC sees the case on Sultan, and honestly, Sultan saying I was openly wolfing by trying to suicide still makes me feel weird

I'm not going to be his life raft unless it comes to Sultan vs Kirby

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Kirby321
03/03/24 9:37:28 PM
#361:


Okay, I was right about Dumey kind of sowing the thoughts of "maybe Lea shouldn't be trusted" before Corrik had even claimed.

Furthermore, Lea was the one who broke up with JC rather than the other way around.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e6bc10e3.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/44a9a914.png

But to Dumey's credit, he also defends Lea's Miller claim

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/82b2a32f.png

... Only to come back and say to lynch Lea

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/61edad2d.png

... And then defend her again

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d5e10b22.jpg

... Yeah okay I think this interaction just cements to me that Dumey is probably town.

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Isquen
03/03/24 9:40:09 PM
#362:


Can you please stop screenshotting half a damned page

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/03/24 9:43:06 PM
#363:


Kirby321 posted...
Wait, Sultan isn't dating anyone? I was under the impression he was being kept safe by Ulti. Huh. Okay, that's actually awesome. Now we can make a productive lynch
Still wrong bud

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Kirby321
03/03/24 9:43:51 PM
#364:


Chaeix posted...
kirby i can't say that i didn't have this same thought.

kind of reads like peaf took your acceptance for granted and expected it. why leave if he's not certain you'll accept?

That, I won't deny. FD more or less said the same thing to me on N1.

And really, all I have to say for that is who the hell knew what Peaf was thinking. Ultimately, as scum, I could've very easily saved him. So why didn't I?

If it was a planned scum gambit given the situation, surely Peaf would've informed his team that he was gonna be absent at EoD, so I would've known that if I were scum.

But the real heart of the problem is: if that situation was planned at all, why did Peaf end up dead? The answer in my eyes is that Peaf did something completely unplanned, totally on his own, and ate dirt for it.

Otherwise, the only answer is that somehow JC, Dumey, and Peaf were all scum, so they had to choose who to kill off since they were the final three, and Peaf got the short straw. But that requires all three of them to agree to abandon safety and risk their lives for a scenario where it logically made zero sense to break up with anybody.

So yeah, I'm extremely convinced Peaf tried something fancy, made the fatal assumption that I'd just choose him, didn't have a back-up plan in place since it was such a spur-of-the-moment decision, and then paid the price.

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Chaeix
03/03/24 9:43:52 PM
#365:


Lopen posted...
##Breakup

If JC sees the case on Sultan, and honestly, Sultan saying I was openly wolfing by trying to suicide still makes me feel weird

I'm not going to be his life raft unless it comes to Sultan vs Kirby
sultan has been really off today. i feel like he's a much better player than 'your reasoning sucks'. his defenses have all been super milquetoast and quite frankly, missing things that i wouldn't expect sultan to miss? this may be a bit of an overgeneralization but my overall impression of the day has been him getting angry at people for even entertaining the fact that scum might consider a movement monitoring role - which is... wrong?

kirby did a good job of pointing out some of sultan's poor defenses earlier

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Kirby321
03/03/24 9:45:19 PM
#366:


Isquen posted...
Can you please stop screenshotting half a damned page

Sorry! I figured it'd be easier to read than just pasting links. Idk about y'all, but I tend to gloss over really long posts that have a bunch of links I need to click in order to view the actual posts... very cumbersome. So I figured screenshots would be a nice convenience.

... So anyway, any commentary on the screenshots I posted?

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/03/24 9:48:00 PM
#367:


Chaeix posted...
sultan has been really off today. i feel like he's a much better player than 'your reasoning sucks'. his defenses have all been super milquetoast and quite frankly, missing things that i wouldn't expect sultan to miss? this may be a bit of an overgeneralization but my overall impression of the day has been him getting angry at people for even entertaining the fact that scum might consider a movement monitoring role - which is... wrong?

kirby did a good job of pointing out some of sultan's poor defenses earlier

What about anyone's read isn't haha you did something none of us would do??


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Lopen
03/03/24 9:48:23 PM
#368:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I mean I guess but it was alot of what was already asked and already answered.

I really don't understand how people still don't get im fucking good at this game and my strategy was smart but we already went in this fish pond and o was confirmed not moving how I'm most of people top suspect is really bad. Just saying.

Someone on my case is scum 100%

Gut says Sultan is wrong and it's Kirby Ulti or Kirby Chris

Kirby Sultan doesn't have a lot of equity so I'd be surprised if that was it.

It's really just that yeah Sultan has felt a bit off. The post above is like... Sultan saying he's "really fucking good" feels so weird and out of place. I don't feel this game is the one Sultan would feel fit to boast in tbh.

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Chaeix
03/03/24 9:50:14 PM
#369:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Oh and you and Kirby not understanding statergy I feel like you guys are seriously just playing blinde but still
Here's an example of a Sultan post I didn't like.

if it came from someone who had been making compelling arguments about why others were scum it might make sense. you can't just say 'you're wrong'. you have to say 'you're wrong, i'm right'.

But then less than 10 posts later he posts his scumspect list and then MZero presses him on it for justification and it's just... so weak...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
My poe coming into today was

Kirby, Ulti, JC

Lopen on the bubble then he came into today doing very close to what I told Chris Lopen wasn't doing soo see how I jumped against that

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Poe exactly what it is.

Ulti has been the most aggressive to get dates. He also has done alot of weird things the past two days. Also didn't seem to care who he wanted to date.

Kirby hasn't done much of anything, seemed to be saved and also the way things went down with peaf day 1 seems Meh. Out of those attacking me it seems the least.

JC is strictly POE not fitting into a town read. He has also been a bit tunnelly with little drive


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TheSultanOfSlam
03/03/24 9:50:56 PM
#370:


Lopen posted...
Gut says Sultan is wrong and it's Kirby Ulti or Kirby Chris

Kirby Sultan doesn't have a lot of equity so I'd be surprised if that was it.

It's really just that yeah Sultan has felt a bit off. The post above is like... Sultan saying he's "really fucking good" feels so weird and out of place. I don't feel this game is the one Sultan would feel fit to boast in tbh.

Why is everyone playing like idots the arguments every are making against the arts terrible! They have been all game.

It's litterally haha you dayed your scum read you suck it's OMGUs bull shit

Fuck this game dude

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Chaeix
03/03/24 9:51:30 PM
#371:


i literally cannot parse sultan's last two posts

sultan convince me that someone else is scum

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Lopen
03/03/24 9:51:48 PM
#372:


Also Sultan was freaking out that we weren't trusting Chris yesterday and today he's back to the "something off about Chris" routine

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Chaeix
03/03/24 9:52:43 PM
#373:


Lopen posted...
Also Sultan was freaking out that we weren't trusting Chris yesterday and today he's back to the "something off about Chris" routine
wait is he saying something's off about chris?

i thought he was relying on chris' scan

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/03/24 9:53:21 PM
#374:


Lopen posted...
Also Sultan was freaking out that we weren't trusting Chris yesterday and today he's back to the "something off about Chris" routine


He is being lazy Chris. It's what it is you guys are just want to lynch green checks it's stupid

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Lopen
03/03/24 9:53:29 PM
#375:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Yeah idk man Chris got me confused as hell. Lady couple games he was very afk came on said some reads with little back ground. Then afk. He got the prosty and The Scan going for him. Idk nothing scummy in play but nothing overly town either


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TheSultanOfSlam
03/03/24 9:53:44 PM
#376:


Just getting ignored cool

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Chaeix
03/03/24 9:55:03 PM
#377:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Just getting ignored cool
i'm not ignoring you, i literally said i couldn't understand your posts and then asked you a question

that is the definition of not being ignored

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/03/24 9:56:26 PM
#378:


Chaeix posted...
i'm not ignoring you, i literally said i couldn't understand your posts and then asked you a question

that is the definition of not being ignored

You haven't asked me anything where?

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Chaeix
03/03/24 9:57:04 PM
#379:


okay i told you to convince me someone is scum so that's technically not a question but it was a request for a response

Chaeix posted...
i literally cannot parse sultan's last two posts

sultan convince me that someone else is scum



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Lopen
03/03/24 9:57:14 PM
#380:


Chaeix posted...
sultan convince me that someone else is scum


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MZero
03/03/24 10:03:18 PM
#381:


Lopen posted...
This actually makes you look worse in a way

If he is peacing out does that not imply the understood gameplan is for you to accept his date?

do you think Kirby just stabbed Peaf in the back like that?

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/03/24 10:05:23 PM
#382:


I'm litterally checked not going anywhere I'm town like I said everyone's playing like Idots here.

Kirbys day 1 basically skates by getting saved by peaf. They pulled a gambit and it didn't work basically had to be that way beacuse uh why would peaf do that other wise it makes 0 sense
2.doenst care jo got killed more or less didn't want to believe or trust red?
Today basically the same does care wants to kill confirmed town to clear othe town. Okay willingly killing people he thinks is town...?


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Lopen
03/03/24 10:06:05 PM
#383:


MZero posted...
do you think Kirby just stabbed Peaf in the back like that?

I could see Kirby bussing yes. Have said this from the beginning

I think FD, the guy who Kirby was pining for being out there is what threw a wrench into the plan

Peaf and Kirby would both look really bad if FD is not paired with-- possibly a blunder but I have long said that Peaf only ever makes that swap if

Dumey is scum (gambit)
Or
Kirby is scum (rescue mission)

It has no logic otherwise

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Isquen
03/03/24 10:06:54 PM
#384:


Kirby321 posted...
... So anyway, any commentary on the screenshots I posted?

"I can't decide whether Dumey looks scummy or not but leaning town," in summation, which is a terrible take.

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Lopen
03/03/24 10:07:33 PM
#385:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I'm litterally checked not going anywhere I'm town like I said everyone's playing like Idots here.

Kirbys day 1 basically skates by getting saved by peaf. They pulled a gambit and it didn't work basically had to be that way beacuse uh why would peaf do that other wise it makes 0 sense
2.doenst care jo got killed more or less didn't want to believe or trust red?
Today basically the same does care wants to kill confirmed town to clear othe town. Okay willingly killing people he thinks is town...?

Sultan I want Kirby lynched way before you calm down. Hell I might want Ulti lynched before you too.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/03/24 10:08:10 PM
#386:


Not to mention Kirby saying I'm not reading the game and litterally thinks I'm paired with ulti when I was never paired with ulti he thought my mislynch was I'm the bag

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MZero
03/03/24 10:09:36 PM
#387:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
It's litterally haha you dayed your scum read you suck it's OMGUs bull shit

I presented a lot of arguments that have nothing to do with your dating history. Also I don't think you know what OMGUS means. OMGUS is suspecting someone because they suspected you, which no one is doing... or even could be doing because you haven't really pushed any scum reads

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/03/24 10:11:42 PM
#388:


It's not Oh MY God You Suck?

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MZero
03/03/24 10:12:27 PM
#389:


Lopen posted...
I could see Kirby bussing yes. Have said this from the beginning

I think FD, the guy who Kirby was pining for being out there is what threw a wrench into the plan

Peaf and Kirby would both look really bad if FD is not paired with-- possibly a blunder but I have long said that Peaf only ever makes that swap if

Dumey is scum (gambit)
Or
Kirby is scum (rescue mission)

It has no logic otherwise

Peaf had committed to the Kirby town read at that point and kind of had to save him

I stand by my interpretation. It was all town at the end aside from peaf. Scum was safely paired so scum didn't care who died.

Peaf saves Kirby. Kirby looks bad if Peaf dies first, Peaf looks bad if Kirby dies first. He probably didn't expect to die Day 1 but that first scenario is exactly what's happening here

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Lopen
03/03/24 10:12:38 PM
#390:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
It's not Oh MY God You Suck?

OMGUS specifically is saying "oh my god you suck" because they suck for suspecting you. Not because they're having a bad game.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/03/24 10:12:46 PM
#391:


MZero posted...
I presented a lot of arguments that have nothing to do with your dating history. Also I don't think you know what OMGUS means. OMGUS is suspecting someone because they suspected you, which no one is doing... or even could be doing because you haven't really pushed any scum reads

Inconsistent in read when they were literally the same onthis weird dating game where POE and Scum reads are basically interchangeable.

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MZero
03/03/24 10:12:55 PM
#392:


I mean Peaf looks *good if Kirby dies first

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/03/24 10:13:24 PM
#393:


Lopen posted...
OMGUS specifically is saying "oh my god you suck" because they suck for suspecting you. Not because they're having a bad game.

Lol I've been using this wrong alot then not even just here lol

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MZero
03/03/24 10:13:37 PM
#394:


Lopen posted...
OMGUS specifically is saying "oh my god you suck" because they suck for suspecting you. Not because they're having a bad game.

I always thought it was Oh my god ur scum

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Lopen
03/03/24 10:13:43 PM
#395:


MZero posted...
Peaf had committed to the Kirby town read at that point and kind of had to save him

I stand by my interpretation. It was all town at the end aside from peaf. Scum was safely paired so scum didn't care who died.

Peaf saves Kirby. Kirby looks bad if Peaf dies first, Peaf looks bad if Kirby dies first. He probably didn't expect to die Day 1 but that first scenario is exactly what's happening here

You have to take Kirby's play today as a little suspect though?

He has been basically up for lynching anybody including multiple people he has said "when they flip town" about

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MZero
03/03/24 10:16:53 PM
#396:


Lopen posted...
You have to take Kirby's play today as a little suspect though?

He has been basically up for lynching anybody including multiple people he has said "when they flip town" about

I get what your saying but it's kind of weird for scum to be that brash? Like, you don't even need to push mislynches in this game. Just try and get a date and maybe keep heat of your partner

That's why I'm much more suspicious of players who don't seem to care much who dies and are more concerned with keeping people alive

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Lopen
03/03/24 10:18:09 PM
#397:


Kirby has been the opposite of brash though

Brash is "this guy is scum let's rock and roll"

Kirby is just like "he's probably town but let's lynch him for this random side reason"-- that's what scum does

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Lopen
03/03/24 10:18:44 PM
#398:


MZero posted...
That's why I'm much more suspicious of players who don't seem to care much who dies and are more concerned with keeping people alive

Isn't that literally what I just said Kirby is doing?

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/03/24 10:19:24 PM
#399:


Mzero and I were eon the same page alot day 1 and even day 2 and now he turned on me today

I've been spending more time defending myself against bad arguments and some clarifications I've been having no time to scum hunt I must have been on the right track somewhere to get distracted but idk

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Lopen
03/03/24 10:21:41 PM
#400:


I wonder if it's Mzero + Kirby

Mzero has been pretty logical about all but two things this game

Multikills-- I originally had this as a town read but...
The end of day 1 lynch.

Kirby also randomly has a date request out to Mzero right now which is pinging me.

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