Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
Agreed. Why not just deny the holocaust while we're at it?
Put your horrible history where it belongs: In a museum or a history class.
Bet Germany kept all their Nazi propaganda proudly on display as part of their history.
I'm actually German, the only reason I'd have a bunch of swastikas on my walls is obviously because I'm proud of my culture.
The Confederacy fought for slavery and they lost. Was slavery the cause of the civil war? Maybe not, but they still fought for slavery.
This is like being proud of Nazi heritage versus being proud of actual German culture. Hicks just have to be hicks, though, and there sure are a hell of a lot of them. Gotta get those southern theatrics in.
There's a difference between reminding people of terrible history, and putting that terrible history in a place of reverence, like a literal pedestal in a public square.
Unless history class has completely failed me, the British did not try to abolish slavery during the Revolutionary war, and your point is completely irrelevant.
Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
Britain didn't outlaw slavery until 1833.
You know I was about to note that it's odd that unsuccessful rebellions are venerated to this level, but I guess France honors Vercingetorix and Italy honors Spartacus.
I'm not entirely sure venerated is the right word.
@Zeus
Why do you debate with other posters so much over differing opinions you already know won't change?
Alexandra_Trent posted...
Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
There is a difference between erasing history and putting an end to the worship of the worst parts of it.
BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
There is a difference between erasing history and putting an end to the worship of the worst parts of it.
Thank you for your hyperbole.
Mead posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
There is a difference between erasing history and putting an end to the worship of the worst parts of it.
Thank you for your hyperbole.
If mine is hyperbole would that just make yours incredibly misleading or a total lie?
BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
There is a difference between erasing history and putting an end to the worship of the worst parts of it.
Thank you for your hyperbole.
If mine is hyperbole would that just make yours incredibly misleading or a total lie?
Well I would need to know how you seperate incredibly misleading from just regular misleading
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
of course not every confederate soldier fought for slavery, but not every nazi was for torching jews either
Mead posted...
Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.
There is a difference between erasing history and putting an end to the worship of the worst parts of it.
While there is no significant difference between modern Germany distancing itself from its nazi era past and any artifacts that emulate such from that era, and the United States (finally) wiping away the celebration of a treasonous act taken against the union of the United States (i.e. Confederate traitors),
I would just like to remind people that There is a huge difference between the lengths Germany has gone to erase the memory and not just remove the monuments celebrating that dark era in their history and what we are doing to remove that stain on the face of our great nation that was marred by the confederate traitors. We are not removing the memory only the artifacts that support and promote the traitors. Those artifacts should be preserved since as dark as they are they belong in a museum or some where else in context as a part of history.
Erasing them is not the answer. Removing them so they aren't displayed as a positive symbol is.
A Confederate heritage that has done no harm in 150 years, is more dangerous than a presently violent, bigoted religion currently promoting mass global invasion of nations of infidels. naturally, let's be tolerant of the presently harmful ideology while abolishing further an irrelevant harmless tradition.
Second in that they were the fucking Nazis. The two groups aren't even remotely comparable.
Islam? There's really not much we can do to get rid of a foreign nation's religion, short of occupying and brutalizing the population which would make us as bad as ISIS. Plus while Islam might exacerbate certain problems, it's really not the biggest driver of terrorism. The real issue is regional instability, partly due to Western intervention.
History is history and im disgusted by the destruction it.
Zeus posted...
Second in that they were the fucking Nazis. The two groups aren't even remotely comparable.I dont know about you but the fact that I could have grown up in a life of slavery is just as bad as the nazis, we arent playing a game of whose atrocities were worse here, wheres the line between oh this was a complete crime against humanity they should be destroyed and oh this was a complete crime against humanity but they werent hitler so go ahead and honor them
Zeus posted...
Islam? There's really not much we can do to get rid of a foreign nation's religion, short of occupying and brutalizing the population which would make us as bad as ISIS. Plus while Islam might exacerbate certain problems, it's really not the biggest driver of terrorism. The real issue is regional instability, partly due to Western intervention.
Erik would never believe that you posted that.
I'm still a believer that a Confederacy is closer to what the founding fathers envisioned for America than a Federal Republic.