OK. All the BS in this thread aside, from the protestors point of view, what does getting in her face accomplish?
Do they have a list of people that have and haven't called it genocide, and just cross people's names off as they publicly call it genocide?
The thing is, AOC has already called it a mass killing of civilians and has publicly stated her support for a ceasefire. So I'm not really sure what they get from having her specifically say it.
She's already on their side in terms of actual political policy!!
If someone isn't going to even acknowledge that what's happening is a genocide, how committed can they really be to stopping it?That's still no excuse to harass and condemn AOC like she's responsible for it.
If someone isn't going to even acknowledge that what's happening is a genocide, how committed can they really be to stopping it?
Compare AOC's response to other representatives like Cori Bush and Rashida Tlaib, who were the only US politicians to sign a proposal to stop sending Israel weapons.
https://progressive.international/wire/2024-03-01-we-will-not-be-complicit-in-israels-grave-violation-of-international-law/en
But, again, let's say she goes "OK. It is genocide".Speaking of lists, some protesters have been creating one made to specifically boycott or condemn celebrities. The problem with them though is that innocent people or pro-Palestinian supporters who aren't vocal about their stance tend to get caught in the crossfires.
Do all those people then just go "Oh. Ok. Thanks!" and move on to the next public figure on their list?
Speaking of lists, some protesters have been creating one made to specifically boycott or condemn celebrities. The problem with them though is that innocent people or pro-Palestinian supporters who aren't vocal about their stance tend to get caught in the crossfires.No, the problem is creating fucking harassment target lists to send your death threats to just b/c some celebrity doesn't fully vocalize support for your cause, in the first place.
No, the problem is creating fucking harassment target lists to send your death threats to just b/c some celebrity doesn't fully vocalize support for your cause, in the first place.
Not that they "misfire" and get people on their side occasionally.
These people are fucking deranged. They think it would've been ok to tell Christina Vee to kill herself if she hadn't publicly affirmed their beliefs.
But, again, let's say she goes "OK. It is genocide".
Do all those people then just go "Oh. Ok. Thanks!" and move on to the next public figure on their list?
And the coward who made the list closed their account once they got a taste of their own medicine instead of accepting faultActually even worse. Made a new account like a day later to continue being a vile little shit stain while hoping the name change would throw people off the trail.
Actually even worse. Made a new account like a day later to continue being a vile little shit stain while hoping the name change would throw people off the trail.
Their heart is in the right place, but we need to learn not to throw close allies under the bus for failing endless purity tests.One of the hallmarks of the online left is an endlessly frustrating inability to pick its battles.
Virtual signaling bullshit. Example of left eating its own for non pragmatic reasons. They have the problem with the word itself, not the politics or what she actually believes. Pure semantics.
This. They only do it to "show" how much better of a person they are than you. When push comes to shove 99.9% of don't donate a penny or wouldn't get on a plane and go over there to help. They just screech online, that's all they ever have and ever will do.
Whereas AOC has endorsed the guy bypassing Congress to sell them more.
If you're not voting for Biden, you're basically voting for Trump.
the tolerant left
AOC has consistently called for a ceasefire, consistently called out AIPAC, and consistently called out Israel's actions. She's not just 'generally good' on this, she's good on it. Moving the goal posts is doing any good for anyone. How do we get politicians to call for a ceasefire, when we show that it's not enough? Too many leftists do not understand politics. I say this as a leftist myself. But too many of us really don't get it.
Oh but she endorsed Biden!
Of course she did. The alternative is Trump. And don't give me "What about the primaries!" Nobody else stands a chance of beating Biden. Voting uncommitted to show your support for Palestine is fine. Even AOC has said so! But when it comes to politics, you need as many allies as you can get. I feel like too many leftists think we can just do this all by ourselves. We can't. And you sometimes have to compromise to form coalitions. That's how politics works.
Wrong wrong wrong ans false. I am an outcomes first person. There's a reason she's not using that word..she would be censured under our current political climate and what benefits does this offer Palestinian causes? Only thing this accomplishes is Twitter left clout which ultimately is completely useless in terms of overall outcome. A AOC that can use her voice for change is better than a censured AOC that passes stupid fucking purity tests.
I generally agree with this, but I think calling a genocide a genocide and doing what you can to actively block its facilitation is a fair expectation to be considered good in the current circumstances.
CountCorvinus is being quoted a lot.I have them tagged as a chud alt.
Wrong wrong wrong ans false. I am an outcomes first person. There's a reason she's not using that word..she would be censured under our current political climate and what benefits does this offer Palestinian causes? Only thing this accomplishes is Twitter left clout which ultimately is completely useless in terms of overall outcome. A AOC that can use her voice for change is better than a censured AOC that passes stupid fucking purity tests.In your opinion, what would censuring her change?
In your opinion, what would censuring her change?her voice and platform is incredibly important and has provenly changed the outcome of events.
Those protesters wanted views and they knew comforting AOC about something like this would get them the views they needThis is true and the reason is because AOC acts like an actual human being when confronted by people like this. Unlike your typical politician who just ignores you she actually gets passionate, angry. Unfortunately this also means people profit off of her literal humanity for clout.
her voice and platform is incredibly important and has provenly changed the outcome of events.How does being censured change that? As far as I know her status in the House doesnt change and she doesnt lose any privileges afforded to a member of Congress. But maybe it does in a way that Im not aware of outside of the stigma.
You know why Trump is close to filing bankruptcy right now? You know who called his shit out? Who was the instigator that led to the chain of events that destroyed Trump's NY businesses?
AO mother fucking C. So fuck the idea of trying to get her censured. She's done everything under the sun to further the cause of Palestinians within her power while also not getting censured.
Purity tests will be the end of us all.
How does being censured change that?If she was censured she would not have had the opportunity to start questioning Trump's finances that lead to the investigations. She would be silenced, without a platform.
If she was censured she would not have had the opportunity to start questioning Trump's financesWhy not?
I have them tagged as a chud alt.
Purity tests will be the end of us all.
The congressional platform one of the highest and strongest platforms in the country. To be able to speak there is incredibly important.And censure removes that?
It will end up reaching far more voices than tv or social media.No it wont.
And also her words are on the official record that can be used as evidence.Evidence for what?
And yet "progressives" keep trying this over and overSpeaking of Cristina Vee, looks like someone got ahold of the harasser's old account name and made some changes here and there: https://twitter.com/WhereIsMeCake
No different than those Twitter idiots than ran off Christina Vee.
And you got people in here literslly admitting how new they are to politics and it paints the picture of the state of way too many left wing circles, no principles, no allies, just vindictive self serving virus signaling that ar best accomplishes little and at worst makes the entire collective look worse.
Sigh.
Have I ever even replied to you before?You don't have to. The only time I tag people is when they're blatantly supporting the Trump fascist party of traitors.
Have I ever even replied to you before?