If Biden ends support for Israel does he automatically win the election?

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WingsOfGood
05/08/2024
09:28 PM
#1
On one side we see people put forth the idea that Biden is having issue due to support of Israel. What if we flip that. Does Biden win without any difficult if this is not a problem?
Is that all he needs to do?
Seems this might be a possible reality: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80765298
archizzy
05/08/2024
09:28 PM
#2
He automatically wins anyway without doing that.
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Crimson_Corsair
05/08/2024
09:32 PM
#3
archizzy posted...
He automatically wins anyway without doing that.
That is a pretty dangerous thought to be having.
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BrohammedAli
05/08/2024
09:32 PM
#4
He'd probably end up losing it.

While the correct opinion, the opposition to the genocide happening in Palestine right now is predominately amongst a demographic that already just....doesn't vote. Unless we assume the average Zoomer is just going to vote for Trump to spite Biden (which is an insane assumption with Trump being even more pro-Israel), Biden isn't really losing a significant amount of votes there.

83% of the boomers tho support Israel.
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WingsOfGood
05/08/2024
09:34 PM
#5
BrohammedAli posted...
83% of the boomers tho support Israel.

How many boomers are for Biden and how many for Trump?
Irony
05/08/2024
09:34 PM
#6
I'm hoping he wins and then uses his last four years to tell Israel to fuck off since he's not getting elected again
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Rika_Furude
05/08/2024
09:35 PM
#7
I feel like some of the dont vote for Biden protestor chuds wouldnt even vote for Biden if he did end support for Israel
legendary_zell
05/08/2024
09:36 PM
#8
I don't think it's automatic. It'd surge young voter turnout and depress moderate older voters.

I don't think it's clearly accurate to say Biden isn't losing a significant amount of young votes though. A lot of the people who are or would be the biggest organizers of the youth are the people who are the turned off by our Israel policy. How it all shakes out, I don't claim to know.

I don't think it'd lose him the election though and if he lost an election for refusing to continue aiding a genocide, then our country is already doomed.
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BrohammedAli
05/08/2024
09:40 PM
#9
WingsOfGood posted...
How many boomers are for Biden and how many for Trump?

A significant amount will be voting for Biden; it's a demographic he'd been pretty steady in throughout his presidency.
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runewalshPSiv
05/08/2024
09:40 PM
#10
WingsOfGood posted...
On one side we see people put forth the idea that Biden is having issue due to support of Israel. What if we flip that. Does Biden win without any difficult if this is not a problem?
Is that all he needs to do?
Seems this might be a possible reality: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80765298

He won't stop supporting Israel, no president would.
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tankboy
05/08/2024
09:54 PM
#11
Genocide is terrible, but far-away things are simply not that important to most people. Certainly not enough to be a swing issue.
CoyoteTheGreat
05/08/2024
09:56 PM
#12
I mean, the problem for Biden is that politicians inside Washington fucking love Israel. His Democratic base has soured on Israel, and even his major donors have soured on it. But every interest group inside Washington and Democratic politicians are still addicted to all the money coming in to Israel, so he'd be dealing with a rebellion from shitty people like Josh Gottheimer and Fetterman who will represent Israeli interests over American ones every single time. He is in a lose-lose situation, and don't think that Netanyahu and his cronies don't know it. They want Trump to win, and will push their genocide farther and farther because it can only help Trump in the end to magnify the split between Washington democrats and the rest of the democrats in the country.
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Also, this is Kagata..
McMarbles
05/08/2024
10:03 PM
#13
People are really overestimating how important Gaza is as an issue.
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Heineken14
05/08/2024
10:04 PM
#14
Rika_Furude posted...
I feel like some of the dont vote for Biden protestor chuds wouldnt even vote for Biden if he did end support for Israel

They would find a new thing to be "concerned" about.
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emblem-man
05/08/2024
10:09 PM
#15
Rika_Furude posted...
I feel like some of the dont vote for Biden protestor chuds wouldnt even vote for Biden if he did end support for Israel
This. Biden has been unpopular since before 10/7. Hell, he lost lot of popularity after pulling out of Afghanistan and his ratings have never recovered from that.

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sfcalimari
05/08/2024
11:09 PM
#16
Rika_Furude posted...
I feel like some of the dont vote for Biden protestor chuds wouldnt even vote for Biden if he did end support for Israel

The tankies and Russian trolls and RNC goons who control the brains of zoomer progressives would just find the next manufactured thing for them to be outraged about.

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
05/08/2024
11:12 PM
#17
legendary_zell posted...
I don't think it's automatic. It'd surge young voter turnout and depress moderate older voters.
The problem is, young people just don't vote. At least Millennials don't, and I'm fucking disgusted with their apathy.
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Fony
05/08/2024
11:23 PM
#18
CoyoteTheGreat posted...
I mean, the problem for Biden is that politicians inside Washington fucking love Israel.

Biden loves Israel....more than most politicians...lol.
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MangaBroski
05/08/2024
11:30 PM
#19
Theres no winning stance a US president can have in regards to the conflict. You lose Jewish votes or lose Palestinian votes. I would hazard that most people choosing a side who are not part of those two groups or in a family with someone from one of those two groups likely have other political issues, such as the economy, bodily autonomy, and maintaining some semblance of democracy, that are more likely to determine their vote.

wackyteen
05/08/2024
11:38 PM
#20
The best thing he can do is wag his finger at Israel.

Anything more serious than that costs him as much or more support than he'd gain by placating the youth.
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Intro2Logic
05/08/2024
11:40 PM
#21
If the fighting stopped tomorrow, it won't be at the forefront of basically any voter's mind come November. Which might be a positive for Biden.
Have you tried thinking rationally?
Tyranthraxus
05/08/2024
11:45 PM
#22
Heineken14 posted...
They would find a new thing to be "concerned" about.

This. Exactly this. Honestly the whole fucking thing pisses me off. Obama ordered over 500 drone strikes and killed almost 4000 people including hundreds of civilians.

Nobody said fucking shit.

By comparison G W Bush launched only 50 drone strikes.

People simply do not care about life and death. They care only that they have to see it on their social media. Obama's drone strikes were quiet and buried. You knew it was a thing he did but you never saw photos of it. Or if you did it was from so far away it was completely impersonal.

By contrast the shit the IDF is doing is inescapable. Even if the bombs don't hit anyone you still get video full of sound of people screaming and running. That's what people are protesting.
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CoyoteTheGreat
05/08/2024
11:49 PM
#23
Fony posted...
Biden loves Israel....more than most politicians...lol.

That was probably true at the beginning of his term, but like, Biden isn't looking at the fact that he can't go to college campuses even, a mainstay of Democratic candidates, and thinking, "Wow, I'm sure glad that Israel is doing what it is doing".
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Also, this is Kagata..
pfh1001
05/08/2024
11:56 PM
#24
McMarbles posted...
People are really overestimating how important Gaza is as an issue.
Intro2Logic
05/08/2024
11:56 PM
#25
Tyranthraxus posted...
Obama ordered over 500 drone strikes and killed almost 4000 people including hundreds of civilians.

Nobody said f***ing s***.
Guess it depends on your definition of nobody
https://progressive.org/latest/peace-activists-arrested-anti-drone-protests/
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/01/12/reflecting-on-obamas-presidency/obamas-embrace-of-drone-strikes-will-be-a-lasting-legacy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-drone-war-is-a-shameful-part-of-his-legacy/2016/05/05/a727eea8-12ea-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/27/anti-drone-activists-protest-obama
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wackyteen
05/08/2024
11:59 PM
#26
Intro2Logic posted...
Guess it depends on your definition of nobody
https://progressive.org/latest/peace-activists-arrested-anti-drone-protests/
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/01/12/reflecting-on-obamas-presidency/obamas-embrace-of-drone-strikes-will-be-a-lasting-legacy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-drone-war-is-a-shameful-part-of-his-legacy/2016/05/05/a727eea8-12ea-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/27/anti-drone-activists-protest-obama
It was more just nowhere near of a 'make or break' issue as Gaza is being posturized.
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Thanatos_the_Great
05/09/2024
05:18 AM
#27
Not automatically, but it would improve his chances.
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Hejiru
05/09/2024
05:36 AM
#28
I think hed actually lose votes. The vast majority of America automatically considers Israel to be the good guys in any conflict.
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reincarnator07
05/09/2024
07:29 AM
#29
It depends on what form this took. I think if you just straight up abandoned Israel like we've collectively done to Afghanistan, he'd lose support.
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chaos_knight
05/09/2024
07:35 AM
#30
AIPAC would funnel $1 billion in campaign money to Trump, eliminating any RNC money shortfalls overnight. Sadly, Biden would probably lose.
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BDSMKane
05/09/2024
07:37 AM
#31
I dont think there are any guarantees, no matter what. The last two elections were such a circus it feels too unpredictable. Biden (as VP) had the lowest approval rating of any modern VP, including Mr. hunting accident, then was chosen to be the front runner for the Democrats. Republicans failed to even front a candidate that could beat a trash talking reality TV show host.

Its a mad world, and I wouldnt take anything for granted.
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legendary_zell
05/09/2024
10:22 AM
#32
chaos_knight posted...
AIPAC would funnel $1 billion in campaign money to Trump, eliminating any RNC money shortfalls overnight. Sadly, Biden would probably lose.

Democrats are currently leaving approval on the table by acting consistently with an organization that would feel no shame about supporting Trump if they don't get complete obedience from the Democrats.
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Tyranthraxus
05/09/2024
12:59 PM
#33
legendary_zell posted...
Democrats are currently leaving approval on the table by acting consistently with an organization that would feel no shame about supporting Trump if they don't get complete obedience from the Democrats.
AIPAC already funnels money to both sides. They would likely continue to do so.
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ROB45
05/09/2024
01:16 PM
#34
I imagine most people are not sastisfied with how the past four years have gone, so I don't see him winning regardless.
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