israel is indeed conducting a genocide and it is evilShut the fuck up
lots of those college students are also cheerleaders for hamas/houthis and they're helping trump get elected, which will kill millions of people
most of the protestors suck
An offer was made to the Palestinians for a state, on 96% of the existing territory occupied by the Palestinians, with 4% of Israel to be given, to reach 100% of the amount of territory that was hoped for, Clinton said. If [former Palestinian President] Yasser Arafat had accepted it, there would have been a Palestinian state now for about 24 years.
Shut the fuck up
I'm pretty sure Hillary doesn't know the history of the region.
The original 2 state plan was from 1947 and it was not accepted by Arabs in Palestine or the neighboring Arab League countries because even though only a third of the population was Jewish and the Jews owned only 10% of the land in Palestine, they were given 55% of the territory. The Palestinians ended up with 45%, even though they were the majority at the time. So they rejected it. And rightfully so.
She should probably also remember the modern root of the problems in the region is the Western powers drawing borders in a region they didn't understand after WW1 ended and the Ottoman Empire was dissolved.
lots of those college students are also cheerleaders for hamas/houthis
and they're helping trump get elected
I'll bet you used to call anyone who opposed South African apartheid a communist.
No, Joe Biden is helping Trump get elected.
I'll bet you used to call anyone who opposed South African apartheid a communist.
Mecha_Sonic posted...
lots of those college students are also cheerleaders for hamas/houthis and they're helping trump get elected, which will kill millions of people
israel is indeed conducting a genocide and it is evil
lots of those college students are also cheerleaders for hamas/houthis and they're helping trump get elected, which will kill millions of people
most of the protestors suck
yeah because Biden's current policy is so much worse than Trump's...nuke Gaza policy?
Yeah because that's not the bloody point. People aren't making comparisons between Biden and a hypothetical Trump, they're looking at what Biden is actually doing and deciding it's too evil for them to vote for him. You may think that's the wrong way of looking at it, but that won't change the reality. Which makes Biden's continued support of Israel's extremist government not only morally reprehensible but politically stupid.
Yeah because that's not the bloody point. People aren't making comparisons between Biden and a hypothetical Trump, they're looking at what Biden is actually doing and deciding it's too evil for them to vote for him. You may think that's the wrong way of looking at it, but that won't change the reality. Which makes Biden's continued support of Israel's extremist government not only morally reprehensible but politically stupid.
You're wrong about most of the protestors sucking.
and Biden could denounce Israel's current invasion all he wants
I still think its incredibly irresponsible to abstain from voting in this election cycle.
But good politics requires forward thinking
How is mecha sonic allowed to post here.Maybe he messaged DToast and said he wasn't really purged
I distinctly recall him being purged
when great throngs of people are shouting "from the river to the sea," what are reasonable people supposed to extrapolate about the protestors.
That they want Palestine to be free.
great, i would like a free palestine too. but what happens to israel if palestine controls everything from the river to the sea."From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" doesn't say 'controls everything from the river to the sea'.
I'm not talking about denouncing, I'm talking about ceasing to supply weapons and money. That should have been the absolute bare minimum response to Israel's crimes since October.
"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" doesn't say 'controls everything from the river to the sea'.
but i also think clinton is right and most of the protestors don't really understand history very well so maybe you're right idk.
i have opinions that are often disagreement with yoursOpinions that ignore reality.
Old white lady pretends she knows more about middle eastern affairs.
I honestly don't get why it seems like she intentionally makes herself out to be unlikeable.
israel exists. it isn't going anywhere. it's not going to be dissolved as a country, nor should it be.
Prove it. Are you suggesting that pro-Palestine sentiment is an evil conspiracy by the Chinese on Tiktok and not a reaction towards continued US support of Israel even when they're slaughtering civilians?
Opinions that ignore reality.
israel misses what is right because it is deficient. the protestors miss what is right because they are excessive. true virtue finds and chooses the mean.
the protestors miss what is right
true virtue finds and chooses the mean.
How about just remove the apartheid elements and let everyone within Israel's led territory vote on the country's future? Peacefully and democratically.
lots of those college students are also cheerleaders for hamas/houthis and they're helping trump get elected, which will kill millions of people
most of the protestors suck
i think that would be a wonderful outcome, provided everyone can get along and not kill each other.
the arabs in the occupied territories outnumber the jews in israel proper, so they would likely win any one-state election. i remember when something similar happened in iraq after the shias won, and it led to persecution of religious minorities + sectarian bloodshed/civil war. so my honest questions to you are
1. what is your plan for stopping Hamas or a Hamas-like party from winning this election, coming to power, and then genociding all the jews.
2. what is your plan for convincing israel to go along with this and grant suffrage and political freedoms to every palestinian in the occupied territories.
what is your plan for stopping Hamas or a Hamas-like party from winning this election, coming to power, and then genociding all the jews.
Hillary lost to Trump because she and the DNC pushed him. And Bill got him to run. Why do people listen to this demon again?Trump won because people fell for the nonsense that Hillary was a boring candidate which dampened turnout.
Politicians when people lacking knowledge about the history of Eastern Europe and Russia protest in favor of Ukraine:
I'm sorry, are you using this to speak out against pro-Ukrainian protests?No, I'm mocking how she was probably patting people on the back when civilians were (rightfully) protesting for Ukraine against Russia, but now in a similar situation where people are (rightfully) protesting for Palestine against Israel the conversation suddenly goes "um AKSHUALLY you don't know the full history of the middle east so you shouldn't be talking in this situation" even though tons of people protesting in favor of Ukraine probably know little about Eastern Europe.
No, I'm mocking how she was probably patting people on the back when civilians were (rightfully) protesting for Ukraine against Russia, but now in a similar situation where people are (rightfully) protesting for Palestine against Israel the conversation suddenly goes "um AKSHUALLY you don't know the full history of the middle east so you shouldn't be talking in this situation" even though tons of people protesting in favor of Ukraine probably know little about Eastern Europe.
Israel-Palestine and Ukraine-Russia are different enough for it to make absolutely no sense to compare them.