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ssjevot posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/62a7815d.jpg
Is it bad that I laughed?
DodogamaRayBrst posted...
Is it bad that I laughed?

I mean that's literally what the Wikipedia vandals did. They left the English, Dutch, Korean, etc. foreign born samurai as samurai and then changed Yasuke to retainer. Meanwhile the Japanese Wikipedia page just lists them all as foreign born Bushi (this is what you actually call what Westerners call samurai in Japanese). They literally changed the one black guy to retainer and are fighting a war over it. A Korean guy mentioned literally once is passing? No problem, he's a samurai. A Dutch dude and an Englishman that literally never fought in any battles? Yep, they're samurai. The black guy who was documented by multiple sources to have been a samurai (Bushi) and was documented to have fought in at least one battle? Oh he's a "retainer". It's so fucking blatant that I can't believe so many people are falling for it.
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I believe you, hope I wasn't insinuating otherwise.

I'm curious. You say that samurai are actually called bushi. Then what are samurai? sengoku/edo media in Japanese with subtitles, generally the word 'samurai' will be spoken when it appears in the subtitles. Is it just that samurai is the modern japanese word for what in the period would have been called a bushi?
hockeybabe89 posted...
It sure is curious how passionate people are about not loosely throwing the term "samurai" around to describe all retainers in 1500s Japan right after an alt-history video game announces they'll let you play as a black samurai.
This. Yasuke has been called a samurai long before now and nobody dislikes it. Now all of a sudden everyone is a historical expert and he's not smh
The funny thing is that there are mutiple Japanese games that reference him.

Samurari Warriors, Nago from Gulity gear Strive, Nioh.

As Far as people are concern if you wield a sword from Japan, your a samurai.
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DodogamaRayBrst posted...
I believe you, hope I wasn't insinuating otherwise.

I'm curious. You say that samurai are actually called bushi. Then what are samurai? sengoku/edo media in Japanese with subtitles, generally the word 'samurai' will be spoken when it appears in the subtitles. Is it just that samurai is the modern japanese word for what in the period would have been called a bushi?

Partially yes, samurai can be used interchangeably with Bushi now, but it did have a more specific meaning in the past. The way samurai is used in English is equivalent to Bushi though. And the way Bushi changed over different time periods is complex, and also Bushido wasn't formalized until much lated (like the 1700-1800s). But a big problem with English loanwords from Japanese is the meaning often isn't the same. When English people say katana they really mean nihontou. A Napoleonic calvary saber would be a katana in Japanese, it's a very broad word covering single edged swords.
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DodogamaRayBrst posted...
I believe you, hope I wasn't insinuating otherwise.

I'm curious. You say that samurai are actually called bushi. Then what are samurai? sengoku/edo media in Japanese with subtitles, generally the word 'samurai' will be spoken when it appears in the subtitles. Is it just that samurai is the modern japanese word for what in the period would have been called a bushi?
The difference between Samurai and Bushi have changed over periods.
Some periods they are synonymously with each others, while others Samurai is one step above Bushi, or the highest ranked Bushi.
In Sengo, they are synonymously.
In Edo, Samurai is a highranked Bushi that is allowed to talk with the Shogun, while normal Bushi are not allowed to speak with the Shogun.
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superbot400 posted...
The funny thing is that there are mutiple Japanese games that reference him.

Samurari Warriors, Nago from Gulity gear Strive, Nioh.

As Far as people are concern if you wield a sword from Japan, your a samurai.

I found another image that covers a lot of that:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b9e6657c.jpg

But absolutely there is no controversy in Japan about him being samurai. He's been depicted that way in media forever. The idea he wasn't samurai is basically a modern Western thing borne of prejudice against black people. You might find some fringe racists in Japan that would exclude him, but that isn't the mainstream view.
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ssjevot posted...
Partially yes, samurai can be used interchangeably with Bushi now, but it did have a more specific meaning in the past. The way samurai is used in English is equivalent to Bushi though. And the way Bushi changed over different time periods is complex, and also Bushido wasn't formalized until much lated (like the 1700-1800s). But a big problem with English loanwords from Japanese is the meaning often isn't the same. When English people say katana they really mean nihontou. A Napoleonic calvary saber would be a katana in Japanese, it's a very broad word covering single edged swords.
Ah, thanks. This is interesting.

But of course, Katana does mean "Japanese sword", as we know.

ssjevot posted...
I found another image that covers a lot of that:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b9e6657c.jpg

But absolutely there is no controversy in Japan about him being samurai. He's been depicted that way in media forever. The idea he wasn't samurai is basically a modern Western thing borne of prejudice against black people. You might find some fringe racists in Japan that would exclude him, but that isn't the mainstream view.

Is the top right image a movie or a tv show? I wouldn't mind seeing a period piece with/about Yasuke.
DodogamaRayBrst posted...
Is the top right image a movie or a tv show? I wouldn't mind seeing a period piece with/about Yasuke.

There are quite a few movies/shows that feature Yasuke. Period pieces that follow Nobunaga naturally feature him. The NHK special is a documentary. I watch NHK documentaries a lot. It's basically my hobby (they have a few every week, and I basically watch them all). There are other historical documentaries that feature him as well. There was also a Netflix anime as well (very fictional, as most anime set in the period tend to be). I think the best thing to watch that would give you a good overview of the history is that NHK documentary, but I have no idea what is available in English. A lot of this stuff is probably Japanese only.

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For whatever reason Stuff regarding the Nobunaga/Hideyoshi/Ieyasu period is very poorly represented in westernly available film. While I'm sure many of these NHK docu(-drama?) series I hear about are great, acquiring such obscure material is generally too much hassle for what its worth to me. I dunno if Japan just doesn't make movies like that or if they just don't make it over the pond. Most samurai period pieces available here are rather nebulous in historical reference or just don't have them, much less revolve around such historical features, or it does them in fictional analogy like Ran. I can't think of Japanese movie that is the equivalent of John Woo's Redcliff that I can just order online without having to go through Japanese vendors without subtitles.
ssjevot posted...
I mean that's literally what the Wikipedia vandals did. They left the English, Dutch, Korean, etc. foreign born samurai as samurai and then changed Yasuke to retainer. Meanwhile the Japanese Wikipedia page just lists them all as foreign born Bushi (this is what you actually call what Westerners call samurai in Japanese). They literally changed the one black guy to retainer and are fighting a war over it. A Korean guy mentioned literally once is passing? No problem, he's a samurai. A Dutch dude and an Englishman that literally never fought in any battles? Yep, they're samurai. The black guy who was documented by multiple sources to have been a samurai (Bushi) and was documented to have fought in at least one battle? Oh he's a "retainer". It's so fucking blatant that I can't believe so many people are falling for it.

Man do I love it when you tear into people for their ignorance on Japanese culture and history. Sometimes I'm on the receiving end of that, but hey, that just means I sometimes deserve it.
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ssjevot posted...
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Rofl.
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ssjevot posted...
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Strong version.
Look, I can name a few instances in MY life where I tried to reach mutual understanding
and i can TELL you, always faster and easier to just kill em. Just is!
By the way if you want to know the actual most common complaint in Japan about the trailer it's this scene:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e54b6aab.jpg

The floor is completely wrong. Although the Muromachi period did start to see tatami rooms beyond just a sleeping and sitting tatami, they absolutely did not look like this. Additionally sitting in seiza was not a standardized thing until much later in the Edo period. The way the samurai are sitting here would never happen in a period drama made in Japan. It's a very obvious mistake. You can look up sitting samurai from the period and will notice that cross legged sitting, agura, is by far the most common at that time. Seiza was facilitated by the full tatami rooms that became standard in the Edo period and the rules requiring it followed that development.
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ssjevot posted...
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lmao so accurate
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I blame Wikipedia's monopoly
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
you blame their monopoly for what, exactly


STEROLIZER posted...
I explained it. They give fans a chance to build a resume, and break up the Wikipedia monopoly

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ssjevot posted...
The floor is completely wrong. Although the Muromachi period did start to see tatami rooms beyond just a sleeping and sitting tatami, they absolutely did not look like this. Additionally sitting in seiza was not a standardized thing until much later in the Edo period. The way the samurai are sitting here would never happen in a period drama made in Japan. It's a very obvious mistake. You can look up sitting samurai from the period and will notice that cross legged sitting, agura, is by far the most common at that time. Seiza was facilitated by the full tatami rooms that became standard in the Edo period and the rules requiring it followed that development.
If video game companies are going to make titles that take place in Japan, they need to hire more people who have a deeper understanding of the country's history and culture. I still remember Japanese fans making fun of the first Tomb Raider reboot because of Himiko anachronistically looking like a geisha.
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Humble_Novice posted...
If video game companies are going to make titles that take place in Japan, they need to hire more people who have a deeper understanding of the country's history and culture. I still remember Japanese fans making fun of the first Tomb Raider reboot because of Himiko anachronistically looking like a geisha.

Nonsense Japanese and Chinese writing in games, books, movies, etc. is so common you just come to accept it. I know people love to make fun of the weird English you see in Japan/China etc., but believe me it is way worse in reverse.
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while often altering the history to match whatever story they're trying to tell, I feel like Ubisoft does pretty well in researching things for the Assassin's Creed series.
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Baron_Ox posted...
while often altering the history to match whatever story they're trying to tell, I feel like Ubisoft does pretty well in researching things for the Assassin's Creed series.
Didn't egyptologists find a secret area in the giza pyramid after assassin's Creed already said there was one there?
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Didn't egyptologists find a secret area in the giza pyramid after assassin's Creed already said there was one there?

Yeah, I was just in Egypt last year and my guide was talking about the new secret chamber.
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ShineboxPhil posted...
ConfusedTorchic posted...
you blame their monopoly for what, exactly

STEROLIZER posted...
I explained it. They give fans a chance to build a resume, and break up the Wikipedia monopoly

fuckin what
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Didn't egyptologists find a secret area in the giza pyramid after assassin's Creed already said there was one there?

ssjevot posted...
Yeah, I was just in Egypt last year and my guide was talking about the new secret chamber.
oh yea, I remember the story, but both of your posts reminded me about it.
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Baron_Ox posted...
while often altering the history to match whatever story they're trying to tell, I feel like Ubisoft does pretty well in researching things for the Assassin's Creed series.

They may be slipping recently. Supposedly the map of England's towns/cities in AC Valhalla is from a different time period than what the game is set in. I can't really comment on the accuracy of that statement since I've never played the game and I'm not really familiar that English history at all.
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