For games FFVII and post, which are the least memorable/important party member

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Penelo?
Hornless?
Quina and it isn't even a contest. Literally remove her from the game and nothing changes
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fire_bolt posted...
Quina and it isn't even a contest. Literally remove her from the game and nothing changes
Blu Magic is very powerful fam
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Amarant
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Dark_twisted posted...
Amarant
and

SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Blu Magic is very powerful fam

Irvine(8)
Eiko(9)
Khamari(10)
Penelo(12)
Hope (13 trilogy)

15 there isn't much to choose from so I'll leave that one off

I think for me it's Eiko. You already had a summoner character. She was better off as a npc. Who wants a young child along fighting huge monsters. It logicly didn't make sense

I was born when she kissed me. I died when she left me. I lived a few weeks while she loved me-
i legitimately forgot that there was a party member named eiko
that gets my vote

Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm.
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Penelo. People don't hate Penelo. People don't love Penelo. People forget Penelo.
SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Blu Magic is very powerful fam


Implying FF 9 is hard enough to care about power levels. I beat Ozma with a team consisting of Eiko, Vivi, Steiner, and Zidane without grinding steals for Thievery damage.

Dark_twisted posted...
Amarant


At least Amarant had some level of plot significance
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vycebrand2 posted...
I think for me it's Eiko. You already had a summoner character.
She's very important to the story and helps Dagger connect to her birthplace .
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fire_bolt posted...
Implying FF 9 is hard
Implying any FF game is hard
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
She's very important to the story and helps Dagger connect to her birthplace .
All being able to be done as a npc.
They visit, she connects with Dagger. And then move on. There is no need to split summons and have a extra party member in that part of the story. Her role after is almost nil. She's a character to pad out the roster

I was born when she kissed me. I died when she left me. I lived a few weeks while she loved me-
8 - It's been a while since I played it, but maybe Zell? I don't really remember him actually doing anything besides being there.
9 - Quina, easily.
10 - Lulu does absolutely nothing for the plot of this game besides exist and spout exposition every time Tidus is confused about something.
TMOG posted...
8 - It's been a while since I played it, but maybe Zell? I don't really remember him actually doing anything besides being there.
9 - Quina, easily.
10 - Lulu does absolutely nothing for the plot of this game besides exist and spout exposition every time Tidus is confused about something.


Lulu has a lot of really good character moments but they are all optional and missable
So if you don't seek those scenes out she is just the exposition character
If you do seek then out you learn things like how she lost her parents when she was young
How her and chappu were going to get married
How she failed her first pilgrimage as a guardian
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Eiko's a contrast to Zidane showing how creepy it is to get hit on by someone who's completely uninterested, while being young enough to have an excuse.
She also has Mog and unique summons.

Amaranth brings nothing to the table. His story arc is unfinished.
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yusiko posted...
Lulu has a lot of really good character moments but they are all optional and missable
So if you don't seek those scenes out she is just the exposition character
If you do seek then out you learn things like how she lost her parents when she was young
How her and chappu were going to get married
How she failed her first pilgrimage as a guardian
If every aspect of a character's backstory and contribution to the plot is optional and/or missable, that means the character doesn't actually matter to the story of the game
VII - haven't beat yet but I'd say Red XIII
VIII - haven't beat yet but I'd say Zell
IX - Quina
X - Wakka
XII - haven't beat yet but I'd say Fran
XIII - haven't best yet but I'd say Vanille
XV - i dunno never played
XVI - i dunno never played
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Irvine
freya (even though i love her)
Everyone from 12 that isnt han solo and bunny girl.
everyone in 14 that isnt cat girl

Quina is actually kind of popular recently, and people are starting to appreciate her simplicity and goofiness. Ff9 is about being Alive. Quina already knows what she loves, and she is the inly character in the party who knows what she wants. Her growth is small, but significant for her, in which she learns that cooking for others is more important than eating for herself.
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7 - Cait
8 - Selphe
9 - Amarant
10 - Khimari
12 - Yes
13 - Vanille
15 - Yes
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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8 - Selphie is the least important, but she's pretty memorable. But I Feel like you don't lose much if you take Selphie out of the game.

9 - Amarant. Does he do anything in the game?

10 - Kimahri. Doesn't really play a huge role like everyone else.

12 - Vaan. Penelo actually had some story. But if you remove Vaan, you don't lose anything except a really bad shirtless protagonist.

13 - Hope.

15 - Prompto. I can't remember him doing much. There's only four characters, and Ignis has a big moment, Gladiolus is bitchy toward Noctis, and Noctis is the main character so it's kind of Prompto by default.
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Ifrit posted...
13 - Hope.
Hope had the best and most realistically written character arc in 13 and had that scene where he calls Snow out on his happy-go-lucky bullshit while getting ready to kill him
And you didn't ask but

2 - Guy
4 - FuSoYa
5 - Lenna
6 - Umaro
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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7 - Cait Sith
8 - Selphie
9 - Amarant
10 - Rikku
12 - Penelo
13 - Fang
15 - Aranea Highwind Otherwise Prompto
16 - Tarja
fire_bolt posted...
Quina and it isn't even a contest. Literally remove her from the game and nothing changes
Except a lot of the funny scenes and lines go bye-bye.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
And you didn't ask but

2 - Guy

But he speak beaver!
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bigtiggie23 posted...
Except a lot of the funny scenes and lines go bye-bye.

Also, they seem to forget that Quina for a brief period of time has a main part in the story. Your actually introduced to Quina and the Quins, as part of the main story, and every now and then that race is used in cutscenes and story moments, whereas outside the initial introduction of Amarant, he really isn't used that much in the main story. Whereas his female counterpart, Lani is used surprisingly more.
comicfire posted...
But he speak beaver!
That was literally his only contribution to the plot
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg
In the original concept, it was supposed to be Amaranth's partner Lani that's become party member.
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Was Lulu important in FFX?

X decided it needed THREE stoic characters

It's Kimarhi
FF7 - cait sith. In the original anyway......remake and rebirth is doing a good enough job with boosting the characters that cait/ reeve can have a whole lot more to do in the final section of this 3 game remake project.
FF8 - This one is tougher. Its a smaller party of 6, but from what I remember each party member had a important section where they did stuff. Zell being the badass that could fight without a weapon thus he lead the party out of the prison to get theirs, irving covering their escape from the prison and talking about the orphanage stuff, selphie was doing stuff and helping squall stay calm during the garden battle stuff despite her also dealing with her original garden getting blown up, etc. Might have to go with quistis on this one.
FF9. Def. quina
FF10 lol kimari

Never cared to play 12, my ps3's data got corrupted so I never got to finish 13, and I only ever played like 20 minutes of 15 so I have nothing for those.
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Surprised no one's mentioned Freya, since we're on the subject of how plot-irrelevant the latter half of 9's party members are. She's fairly focal for a brief window, but after Cleyra she could literally fall off a cliff and no one would notice.
Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read.
wtf is with the Quina hate? I always love the blue mage and he's fine. Amarant is the one that's super forgettable
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My vote is for Vaan and Panelo in XII. Remove them from the story and you wouldn't notice at all.
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
wtf is with the Quina hate? I always love the blue mage and he's fine. Amarant is the one that's super forgettable
Broken speech comic relief gobbledygook kind of characters just ain't for everybody. It is what it is.

Its kind of like how you got those who can't stand child characters in jrpgs or like, tales of mascot characters like that rat thing from tales of innocence. I don't really care too much for characters like quina. *shrugs*
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masterpug53 posted...
Surprised no one's mentioned Freya, since we're on the subject of how plot-irrelevant the latter half of 9's party members are. She's fairly focal for a brief window, but after Cleyra she could literally fall off a cliff and no one would notice.
Freya has a 9999 fixed damage attack.
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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7 - probably Vincent. Entirely optional and has no actual role in the current plot events, with only a tiny bit of side content dedicated to him. Yuffie has more memorable moments and at least has the Wutai events, even if she's similarly unimportant to the plot.

8 - Quistis does very little beyond the first few hours of the game, and her early relevance is primarily as a tutorial. I can't remember anything important she does in the story.

9 - a tougher call. All the party members have at least some amount of plot relevance. Quina's probably the least important, but I honestly remember the least about Amarant.

10 - it's Lulu or Kimahri, and I kind of lean towards Lulu. Lulu is more memorable while Kimahri has more plot relevant things to do, even if it's not much. It probably doesn't help Lulu's case that most of what's memorable about her is her design.

12 - it's Penelo. Granted she's not a bad character, but in terms of least important and memorable, there's no question.

13 - most of the characters here have some major plot role. That said, while I have to struggle with my personal bias against certain characters to get there, Vanille could have filled all the relevant roles the plot asked of her without Fang being there, and Fang is only there for Vanille.

15 - probably Prompto. Both he and Gladio go missing for a bit with no real explanation without doing optional dlc side content. Gladio at least has the connections with Iris and Aranea, and seems to have been heading the monster hunters while Noctis was snoozing .

And while I haven't played 16 I don't think it had party members in the traditional sense.
Dalthine posted...
7 - probably Vincent. Entirely optional and has no actual role in the current plot events, with only a tiny bit of side content dedicated to him. Yuffie has more memorable moments and at least has the Wutai events, even if she's similarly unimportant to the plot.
On paper I agree with you, but then its like in general vincent always has been propped up since being associated with hojo, lucrecia and sephiroth even in the og game where he was optional is a pretty huge deal (like, not for the in-game story, more like just a huge deal for the fanbase in general), and then he actually gets his own lead game in the next console generation. Vincent is popular enough among the fanbase just because of that relation to bad boy sephy's mommy that we all already know he is going to be a even bigger deal once that final 3rd party for remake and rebirth comes out.

(And I wouldn't even be a bit surprised if dirge of cerebrus gets a quick and easy port like crisis core did. Just have to fix up that ass gameplay which I imagine can't be all too hard).
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Vincent's problem is that his backstory is similar to Cloud:
An ex shinra army that's been experimented by Hojo, joined the party in pursuit for Hojo and Sephiroth
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Ricemills posted...
Vincent's problem is that his backstory is similar to Cloud:
An ex shinra army that's been experimented by Hojo, joined the party in pursuit for Hojo and Sephiroth
Vincent's problem is that he joined the party for absolutely no reason, contributed absolutely nothing to the overall plot or any other character's story, and didn't get any personal character development until the very end of the game when you pick up his ultimate weapon/Limit Break.

No, it doesn't matter that he was expanded on in supplementary games/other material, in FF7 itself he was utterly useless. He wasn't even good in combat because Cait Sith was a better mage and his Limit Break took all control away from the player for the rest of the fight.
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