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Zikten posted...
All the SMT games I think have monster raising. The first one came out in like 1987 on the famicom. And I think Dragon Quest 5 also has it. But Pokemon was the first game with the concept to be released internationally, so unless you grew up in Japan, most people on the planet, at least back in 1998, believed Pokemon invented the game mechanic. But they didn't
There are monster capturing games after Pokemon that didn't get sued like Jade Cacoon.
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BlueBoy675 posted...
Doesnt surprise me weve got a few posters in here shilling for Nintendo

Bladesyphon posted...
Is TPC honestly going to try to claim patent ownership over the concept of catching and raising monsters in video games?
I doubt they'd go that far. I'm expecting this to be regarding using balls/spheres as capture devices(which is still absolutely ridiculous, don't get me wrong). Not sure what else they feel like they can sue over
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Zikten posted...
All the SMT games I think have monster raising. The first one came out in like 1987 on the famicom. And I think Dragon Quest 5 also has it. But Pokemon was the first game with the concept to be released internationally, so unless you grew up in Japan, most people on the planet, at least back in 1998, believed Pokemon invented the game mechanic. But they didn't
I doubt they're suing over mechanics, it's almost assuredly the semblance to Pokemon's artstyle.

I'm not saying Nintendo's right but we live in a world where Bethesda once sued some game cause it used Scrolls in the title. And MTG sued Konami because of the word "magic cards" in ygo
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Zikten posted...
I'm rooting for Palworld. I haven't even played it. But I don't want Nintendo thinking they own an entire genre, that they didn't even start. A lot of people in the west probably think Pokemon was the first, only because the earlier games didn't originally release outside of Japan back in the day. But Pokemon did not start monster catching and raising

Basically any game didnt as people have been catching and training animals for several centuries at least.
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anttttt posted...
nobody actually thinks they're suing because you capture monsters lol

unless i'm missing something, it's probably just for some monster designs or something
What makes you think that when it has nothing to do with designs. It's not a copywrite or trademark suit
xXfireglzXx posted...
They probably have them nailed on the designs being directly derivative of their works, them building and testing that case probably explains the time before the lawsuit, but I don't know if they'll be able to successfully argue that their brand was damaged as a result. Japanese patent/Copyright law is a completely different beast though.

Did Palworld ever get a physical release?
This has nothing to do with the design of monsters, just read the title and op, it's not hard
Cartoon_Quoter posted...
You can't copywrite game mechanics, and whether you can patent them is a bit of an open question. Those who think you can generally force you into settling before a judgment by the sheer weight of dollars they bury you under.

Bruh, not to glaze Nintendo here, but last I checked, WB copyrighted the Nemesis system from Shadow of Mordor/War, Bloober Team copyrighted their two worlds at once gimmick they used in a single game and have since let rot, and freaking BioWare copyrighted the dialogue wheel they used for Mass Effect and newer Dragon Age games (though that one thankfully seems to have expired), so yes you can actually copyright game mechanics if theyre deemed innovative enough and you can prove you were the first to come up with them.

That being said, if Nintendo wishes to go down this route, theyll likely piss off more than just Pocketpair and their fans, as several other much more famous franchises have had monster catching in them for a while now without Nintendo throwing a tantrum.
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did no one see this coming

i mean come on that was literally the entire reason palworld even got popular

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Nintendo should give whatever legal fees they're gonna throw at this 'patent infringement' to Game Freak so they can make an actual good Pokemon game because the last 10 years of games sucked

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Agent_Stroud posted...
Bruh, not to glaze Nintendo here, but last I checked, WB copyrighted the Nemesis system from Shadow of Mordor/War, Bloober Team copyrighted their two worlds at once gimmick they used in a single game and have since let rot, and freaking BioWare copyrighted the dialogue wheel they used for Mass Effect and newer Dragon Age games (though that one thankfully seems to have expired), so yes you can actually copyright game mechanics if theyre deemed innovative enough and you can prove you were the first to come up with them.
None of those are copyrights, they are patents.

You can copyright the specific code you wrote, but not the concept of a mechanic
Too many people making too many assumptions and then getting angry about it.

Lol
Pocketpair is gonna lose, they don't have the money for a really good lawyer or the money for fees.
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AceMos posted...
if this is them trying to claim they own the concept of monster catching yea thats fucked up and im 100000% against it

if this is over the fact several monsters are a clear rip off of existing pokemon then yea that is fair as palworld does blatently steal several pokemon

I don't think they're going to claim that because Megami Tensei did it a decade earlier and Dragon Quest did it earlier as well. Pretty sure it's the monster designs. I don't know the details but I have heard it claimed some of the 3D models looked to be modified from data ripped from a 3DS game.
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Northlane posted...
Nintendo should give whatever legal fees they're gonna throw at this 'patent infringement' to Game Freak so they can make an actual good Pokemon game because the last 10 years of games sucked

ESPECIALLY the most recent generation

game freak are 100% responsbile for the state of modern pokemon

they are not some small indie team they own 1/3 of pokemon

they are worth billions
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Ar0ge posted...
Too many people making too many assumptions and then getting angry about it.

Lol
Because people are either blindly against Nintendo or blindly for Nintendo. Hate makes people irrational but hardly anyone is aware of that for themselves.
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They should have done this before Palworld became successful. Now Palworld has the funds to battle this out, right?
i really don't like nintendo or TPC lately, but i also really don't like pocketpair or palworld
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Pikachuchupika posted...
They should have done this before Palworld became successful. Now Palworld has the funds to battle this out, right?
yes, but that means they also now have the money to pay out if they lose
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ssjevot posted...
I don't think they're going to claim that because Megami Tensei did it a decade earlier and Dragon Quest did it earlier as well. Pretty sure it's the monster designs. I don't know the details but I have heard it claimed some of the 3D models looked to be modified from data ripped from a 3DS game.
You can't patent monster designs, and we know their patents, they were already linked in this topic
GATTJT posted...
I doubt they'd go that far. I'm expecting this to be regarding using balls/spheres as capture devices(which is still absolutely ridiculous, don't get me wrong). Not sure what else they feel like they can sue over

Looking over the Patent list they have, I think they're suing over the idea of throwing capture devices over a third person perspective.

They also have a patent that is the equivalent of how Dynamic Flying Mounts in WoW work as well (the idea that a mount is ground based until it takes to the air, then becomes flying based until it lands again, once again becoming ground based), so never say never with how far TPC will go to try to claim ownership over ideas to try to kill any competition. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they did try to copyright ownership over the genre of this succeeds.

The biggest irony in the second patent is they Guild Wars 2 did all that first before either WoW or Pokemon with its Griffon Mount in Path of Fire.
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SammyLiimex posted...
You can't patent monster designs, and we know their patents, they were already linked in this topic

Okay, but we have had MegaTen and DQ games, including the monster focussed DQM series, for decades without incident. And all the other stuff like Digimon, Youkai Watch, etc.
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Pikachuchupika posted...
They should have done this before Palworld became successful. Now Palworld has the funds to battle this out, right?
Not only are they filthy rich now, I think theyve been on record saying they earned so much money they dont know what to do with it
im wondering if palworld may have stolen code from pokemon
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Hmmm. is there a way for both sides to lose badly?
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I doubt theyre trying to claim infringement for something broad like monster battling or catching. Otherwise they wouldve gone after Monster Rancher/Yokai Watch/Digimon/Ni no Kuni/etc.

The pokeball stuff is a bit more blatent but probably not it either. Well just need to wait and see. Im just surprised its not about the designs.
Was there ever anything substantial with those model comparisons? Thats the only thing I would imagine would actually hold up in court if they did just trace over existing models for some of them.

While there were definitely some that are change a few words in a plagiarized paragraph level of creativity, I dont think there are any general designs that would be considered directly ripped off otherwise.
Some designs are blatantly stolen even if its just parts of some monsters. Kinda feel bad for the developers cause its clearly a David vs Goliath situation, but they knew it was a possibility.
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Could be design patents for the Pokmon designs
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If this is for stolen assets or plagiarism I'd be all for it, but if it's because "wah wah another monster catching game did well" then that's messed up
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You can't patent a pokemon design, but certain mechanics you can probably do so. Which mechanics they are going to go after palworld remains to be seen.
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Nemu posted...
Was there ever anything substantial with those model comparisons? Thats the only thing I would imagine would actually hold up in court if they did just trace over existing models for some of them.

While there were definitely some that are change a few words in a plagiarized paragraph level of creativity, I dont think there are any general designs that would be considered directly ripped off otherwise.

Yeah, the person who made those comparisons later turned out to be a complete fraud.
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This seems to be a patent issue, not any kind of copyright issue so nothing to do with designs or genre. I'm guessing it has to be something with code, probably why it took so long to build a case.
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Prestoff posted...
You can't patent a pokemon design, but certain mechanics you can probably do so. Which mechanics they are going to go after palworld remains to be seen.
I mean what mechanics can they claim?

Monster catching? Catching monsters in balls specifically? Using monsters in battles? None of them are really specific to pokemon
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mehmeh1 posted...
I mean what mechanics can they claim?

Monster catching? Catching monsters in balls specifically? Using monsters in battles? None of them are really specific to pokemon
By mechanics they mean "borrowed some code"
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mehmeh1 posted...
I mean what mechanics can they claim?

Monster catching? Catching monsters in balls specifically? Using monsters in battles? None of them are really specific to pokemon
Boxes and the way breeding works maybe?
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Agent_Stroud posted...
Yeah, the person who made those comparisons later turned out to be a complete fraud.
I feel like I remember that. He later revealed that he edited pokemon to match things from palworld to make his point or something dumb like that, right?
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It's probably specifically the idea of throwing a ball in real time that splits in half to catch a creature, and/or sending out a creature in real time to do tasks.

Both of which is what Pokemon Legends: Arceus did. Palworld massively expanded the task part.
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mehmeh1 posted...
I mean what mechanics can they claim?

Monster catching? Catching monsters in balls specifically? Using monsters in battles? None of them are really specific to pokemon

That's the part where I'm most curious about, I don't think Pokemon ever did something so revolutionary that they have a right to any patent. I really thought this was going to be about the monster designs, but the fact that it's a patent means there's a mechanic that they feel Palworld is infringing on. It could just be Corporate greed really.
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We should probably just wait for more info before assuming nintendo is suing over the concept of a monster catching game

If it is something that stupid i wouldnt exactly be surprised though
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I forget where I heard it from, but I heard the major gaming companies all have patents that they all establish but don't enforce - to protect against a rogue company from suing everyone for something they all probably will/do use.

Everyone just does whatever they want until someone kicked up a fuss. The example I remember was that some smaller company tried to claim infringement and demanded money from the big dogs, only to be sued into oblivion.

It's possible that Palworld sent something to TPC and/or Nintendo and that caused them to do this.
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
Could be design patents for the Pokmon designs
No it cant
I want either side to win. It's always funny seeing one side mad at the other lmao
Palworld is legally distinct, so Nintendo is left trolling with litigation: hoping for an easy settlement payday.
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I said it on my discord, gonna say it here as well. People are thinking too small in terms of patents. Nintendo has a fucking billion of patents for the most frivolous things that they set up to just... sue some ppl who basically just make things that evoke the Nintendo nostalgia. It seems a lot of games are technically sue-able and they reserve these for... grifters like Pocketpair lmao

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