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Man there are great shows, good shows, bad shows, boring shows.

But has there ever been as show that went from 1# Goat Candidate to Bad in the way Game of Thrones did?

Maybe Dexter? But Dexter never hit the highs of 1-4 GOT. It was great to bad.
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With how bad the final season was, I almost wish more plotlines were left unresolved.
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I cant think of a franchise I fell out of love with as quickly as GoT.

Mayyyybbbeee Star Wars, but thats been over the course of several years, and for the most part Im just neutral about new Star Wars stuff, but can be convinced to watch some of it here and there, and Ill still go back and watch the originals from time to time.

After those last 2 seasons of GoT I have no interest in watching or reading anything from that franchise again.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
But has ever been as show that went from 1# Goat Candidate to Bad in the way Game of Thrones did?
even though I'd disagree with them, a lot of people would say Lost.
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JKwaffle posted...
I cant think of a franchise I fell out of love with as quickly as GoT.

Mayyyybbbeee Star Wars, but thats been over the course of several years, and for the most part Im just neutral about new Star Wars stuff, but can be convinced to watch some of it here and there, and Ill still go back and watch the originals from time to time.

After those last 2 seasons of GoT I have no interest in watching or reading anything from that franchise again.
House of the Dragon is pretty good, especially the first season. Its definitely back to what made the series fun.

Let's get down to brass tacks. How much for the ape?
JohnEtrav posted...
House of the Dragon is pretty good, especially the first season. Its definitely back to what made the series fun.

Season 2 was ... Not great. Basically nothing happened and it was extremely frustrating to watch.
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Ooooooranges posted...
Season 2 was ... Not great. Basically nothing happened and it was extremely frustrating to watch.
Yeah season 2 ending on "well finally somethings going to happen. Wait its over?"
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Ooooooranges posted...
Season 2 was ... Not great. Basically nothing happened and it was extremely frustrating to watch.

It was also not bad though and really the only disappointment was the big buildup to that season finale. Whether that is just people's expectations of shows (and especially Game of Thrones) to have giant grandiose "oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck" season finales is a different conversation though.
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UnfairRepresent posted...


But has there ever been as show that went from 1# Goat Candidate to Bad in the way Game of Thrones did?

For many years people said this about Twin Peaks.

Don't know if that still holds now since it got that follow up years later but boy did it's rating die in the second season.
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I don't even have a problem with how everything ended, as in, the actual final destination for the plot and characters. The problem for me is how damn rushed it all was. The last 2 episodes alone could have been an entire season easily.

It's even more dumb when you consider that the showrunners explanation for ending when they did was that they didn't want to stretch things out.
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JohnEtrav posted...
House of the Dragon is pretty good, especially the first season. Its definitely back to what made the series fun.

As someone who jumped off the GoT ship so hard that I don't even want to rewatch the 'good' seasons, I did enjoy HotD s1 and s2...but I'm starting to get that feeling once again that they're heading for an inevitable trainwreck by changing the main characters' motivations too much.
Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read.
McmadnessV3 posted...
For many years people said this about Twin Peaks.

Don't know if that still holds now since it got that follow up years later but boy did it's rating die in the second season.
Naaaaaaaah not even close.

Yeah sure Season 2 was weaker than Season 1 and it got wobbly in the middle of season 2. But Twin Peaks was never bad.

Okay James was bad but the show as a whole was always good
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JohnEtrav posted...
House of the Dragon is pretty good, especially the first season. Its definitely back to what made the series fun.
That's what I keep hearing, but the fact that it's a prequel series I think really turns me off, cause I know everything it builds up to is plot-wise going to eventually lead to the ending of GoT. So I'm like "I know where this goes long-term, I'm good."

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I'm all for shitting on GoT, but I skimmed a few points and I dunno if this video does the best job at listing out abandoned plotlines. It mentions Mirri Maz Dur says "only death can pay for life" and says that it's then never explained how the Thoros and Melisandre are able to bring people back to life without sacrificing someone to do it, but those are different magic users casting different spells. There's no reason Thoros and Melisandre aren't just better at it.

Or that Sansa is still technically married to Tyrion, but obviously that marriage would be considered null by anyone not loyal to the Lannister crown.

Or wanting explanation on Craster's sons when it's pretty straightforward: they're turned into White Walkers.

Or that Sansa should be annoyed with Edmure for not sending Tully troops to fight the Walkers when his forces were wiped out, being watched over by Lannisters, and would be marching millions of miles north in the dead of winter.

He does bring up actual abandoned plotlines, but I think a lot of it is just padding.
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pegusus123456 posted...
I'm all for shitting on GoT, but I skimmed a few points and I dunno if this video does the best job at listing out abandoned plotlines. It mentions Mirri Maz Dur says "only death can pay for life" and says that it's then never explained how the Thoros and Melisandre are able to bring people back to life without sacrificing someone to do it, but those are different magic users casting different spells. There's no reason Thoros and Melisandre aren't just better at it.

Or that Sansa is still technically married to Tyrion, but obviously that marriage would be considered null by anyone not loyal to the Lannister crown.

Or wanting explanation on Craster's sons when it's pretty straightforward: they're turned into White Walkers.

Or that Sansa should be annoyed with Edmure for not sending Tully troops to fight the Walkers when his forces were wiped out, being watched over by Lannisters, and would be marching millions of miles north in the dead of winter.

He does bring up actual abandoned plotlines, but I think a lot of it is just padding.

Most of YT is filled with padding. The creator gets more money for a longer video so they're incentivized to include filler
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Ooooooranges posted...
Season 2 was ... Not great. Basically nothing happened and it was extremely frustrating to watch.
Overall. But I think S02E02 was probably the best episode of GOT television ever.

Rhys Ifans performance when he basically has a breakdown about how stupid everyone around him is as they constantly fumble all the shitty but effective backstabbing politics he did for decades was that good. Anyone who can make me sympathize with that catch you next Tuesday Otto Hightower for even an instant is a masterful performer.
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I liked Season 2 a lot.

Not sure why its getting shade
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I mean from a book readers perspective there was so much that had to be left out to even make it work for tv that it was already kind of a joke from very early on. Missing characters, missing stories, characters merged together, ages changed, and long drawn out complicated stories that just got reduced to simplistic barely noticeable substories.

With that being said I still thought as far as tv goes it was a decent show if you just treat it entirely separately from your book knowledge and just roll with it for the entertainment value and the wonderful set pieces.

I thought the first season was really well done before the story starts introducing more characters and lands and inevitably gets more complicated. The first season took pages of dialogue straight out of the books and did well. As far as everyone always hating the final season the show was off the rails from like season 4 on. Again you just had to roll with it.

Overall I thought some of the casting was great and I loved seeing my favorite characters come to life in Tyrion and Sandor Clegane. I thought a few characters were off but I dont think it was bad casting or acting but more that they just couldnt properly convey their character as a lot more nuanced and gray neither showing to be good or bad like the book.

Basically I still think as a show its pretty good. I just rewatched it a month ago. Also watched both seasons of House of the Dragon. I think the less complicated overarching study in that with less stuff involved helps the focused narrative.

Also the set pieces, seriously fucking great. I know a shit ton of the show is digitally made but fuck it looks so good. Really enjoyable to watch and comes out looking very fucking good on my display.

So yeah I know people are still pissy about this but I went into it expecting to be disappointed and let down as a book fan and came out of it with a actually that was better than I expected and it doesnt bother me.
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archizzy posted...
I mean from a book readers perspective there was so much that had to be left out to even make it work for tv that it was already kind of a joke from very early on. Missing characters, missing stories, characters merged together, ages changed, and long drawn out complicated stories that just got reduced to simplistic barely noticeable substories.

With that being said I still thought as far as tv goes it was a decent show if you just treat it entirely separately from your book knowledge and just roll with it for the entertainment value and the wonderful set pieces.

I thought the first season was really well done before the story starts introducing more characters and lands and inevitably gets more complicated. The first season took pages of dialogue straight out of the books and did well. As far as everyone always hating the final season the show was off the rails from like season 4 on. Again you just had to roll with it.

Overall I thought some of the casting was great and I loved seeing my favorite characters come to life in Tyrion and Sandor Clegane. I thought a few characters were off but I dont think it was bad casting or acting but more that they just couldnt properly convey their character as a lot more nuanced and gray neither showing to be good or bad like the book.

Basically I still think as a show its pretty good. I just rewatched it a month ago. Also watched both seasons of House of the Dragon. I think the less complicated overarching study in that with less stuff involved helps the focused narrative.

Also the set pieces, seriously fucking great. I know a shit ton of the show is digitally made but fuck it looks so good. Really enjoyable to watch and comes out looking very fucking good on my display.

So yeah I know people are still pissy about this but I went into it expecting to be disappointed and let down as a book fan and came out of it with a actually that was better than I expected and it doesnt bother me.
This. I considered the show a dumpster fire from the moment they butchered the Dorne plot , which I think was in season 4. It went to shit long before season 8, casuals just didnt know any better.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
But has there ever been as show that went from 1# Goat Candidate to Bad in the way Game of Thrones did?

True Detective maybe?
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PraetorXyn posted...
This. I considered the show a dumpster fire from the moment they butchered the Dorne plot , which I think was in season 4. It went to shit long before season 8, casuals just didnt know any better.
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PraetorXyn posted...
This. I considered the show a dumpster fire from the moment they butchered the Dorne plot , which I think was in season 4. It went to shit long before season 8, casuals just didnt know any better.

Dorne (at least the post- Oberyn plot, which played out about as well as could be expected) started in s5, which coincided with the show hitting the point of no return for me personally with Barristan's death . You could definitely say the quality started to dip in s4 though, with stuff like Karl of Gin Alley. I'm sure fans more eagle-eyed than me could spot signs of trouble as far back as s1, but upon retrospect I'd say that the 'power is power' scene between Littlefinger and Cersei early in s2 was the first clear sign that they really did not understand Littlefinger's character.

The show peaked at the end of s3 with the Red Wedding , and the slow inexorable decline in quality (and every bafflingly stupid character decision made from that point forward) can be easily attributed to the showrunners trying and failing over and over again to recapture that shock value high.
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dummy420 posted...
Yeah season 2 ending on "well finally somethings going to happen. Wait its over?"
What you're describing is season 1 for me. It didn't draw me in until the very end and I quite enjoyed season 2.
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dummy420 posted...
Yeah season 2 ending on "well finally somethings going to happen. Wait its over?"

"Wow, the season finale next week is going to be epic! ...wait, what?"
The thing is that HBO was perfectly happy with the series going at whatever pace the showrunners wanted and for as many seasons as they wanted, too. But nope, they got bored and wanted to move on and wrap things up quickly once they ran out of completed source material, so of course quality declined markedly, basic character motivations got muddled, and loads of lose ends were left unresolved, but hey... at least that shot of the dragon wings behind Danny was visually neat for a few seconds.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
kind9 posted...
What you're describing is season 1 for me. It didn't draw me in until the very end and I quite enjoyed season 2.
I actually liked the peaceful king and the scheming more in season 1. I think a big detractor of season 2 for me might have been Daemon because I really didnt like his scenes.
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dummy420 posted...
I actually liked the peaceful king and the scheming more in season 1. I think a big detractor of season 2 for me might have been Daemon because I really didnt like his scenes.
I actually kinda love his character. Or maybe it's more the actor's portrayal of the character. Idk. I think I'll have to re-watch the first season because I can't really remember a thing about it.
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dummy420 posted...
I actually liked the peaceful king and the scheming more in season 1. I think a big detractor of season 2 for me might have been Daemon because I really didnt like his scenes.

Yeah, Paddy Considine killed it as Viserys in s1, easily my favorite character of the show (which was a welcome surprise since I only knew him from Hot Fuzz and The World's End prior).

Daemon has that perfect mix of self-importance and lack of personality that would make me tune in every week hoping for his death...if he was a dedicated villain and not a pseudo-protagonist. Though Criston Cole still easily takes the crown of 'character I most want to see screaming in agony in an inferno of dragonfire,' and I'm genuinely pissed that they seem to be setting God's perfect asshole up for a redemption arc .
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kind9 posted...
I actually kinda love his character. Or maybe it's more the actor's portrayal of the character. Idk. I think I'll have to re-watch the first season because I can't really remember a thing about it.
Yeah it was different for the GoT universe I know. I dont hate season 2 though I just dislike when seasons are building to something but then it just ends with a see you next season while the point is finally front and center. Its a show that will probably benefit from binging later.
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masterpug53 posted...
Yeah, Paddy Considine killed it as Viserys in s1, easily my favorite character of the show (which was a welcome surprise since I only knew him from Hot Fuzz and The World's End prior).

Daemon has that perfect mix of self-importance and lack of personality that would make me tune in every week hoping for his death...if he was a dedicated villain and not a pseudo-protagonist. Though Criston Cole still easily takes the crown of 'character I most want to see screaming in agony in an inferno of dragonfire,' and I'm genuinely pissed that they seem to be setting God's perfect asshole up for a redemption arc .

That and Aemond is such a cartoonishly evil smug asshole that the dude playing him is fucking great.
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masterpug53 posted...
upon retrospect I'd say that the 'power is power' scene between Littlefinger and Cersei early in s2 was the first clear sign that they really did not understand Littlefinger's character.
I remember seeing that when asked early on, GRRM said that Littlefinger was the character that was the most different from their book counterpart because everyone knew he was a lying, scheming little turd. In the book, Littlefinger is everyone's friend. Everyone trusts him or at least thinks they know him well enough to trust what he would do.

Jamie even thinks he'd be a good Hand of the King because he's "smart enough to be useful but too lowborn to be a threat." Jamie is admittedly an idiot but still.
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archizzy posted...
As far as everyone always hating the final season the show was off the rails from like season 4 on

masterpug53 posted...
ou could definitely say the quality started to dip in s4 though,
I can't believe Season 4 is getting hate.

Season 2 and 4 getting smacked?

What's with CE
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I can't believe Season 4 is getting hate.

Season 2 and 4 getting smacked?

What's with CE

There's always been a belief among some that the cracks started to show in season 4. 2 was largely considered the weakest of the first 4, though I preferred it over 1.

Somebody once made a thread about how the quality dropped in season 3. Still the only time I've ever heard that.
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Baron_Ox posted...
even though I'd disagree with them, a lot of people would say Lost.
Lost was fine till the final episode. Most dont like it because they dont understand it.

I do and i can look at some parts of my life and say this was where I needed to be. This was the best thing I ever did. The people I met or cared about got me to that point. So make the best of it while I'm here. You look at most of the characters histories most were crappy people. On the island they changed for the better and thats why they were there at the end. Its about growth.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Naaaaaaaah not even close.

Yeah sure Season 2 was weaker than Season 1 and it got wobbly in the middle of season 2. But Twin Peaks was never bad.

Okay James was bad but the show as a whole was always good

Yep, and the final episode of the season made up for the bad parts as it returned to what TP was all about in a major way. It also never lost its cult following because its fans continued to love it despite the warts. I remember lots of fans dropping GOT while it was still airing.
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pegusus123456 posted...
I'm all for shitting on GoT, but I skimmed a few points and I dunno if this video does the best job at listing out abandoned plotlines. It mentions Mirri Maz Dur says "only death can pay for life" and says that it's then never explained how the Thoros and Melisandre are able to bring people back to life without sacrificing someone to do it, but those are different magic users casting different spells. There's no reason Thoros and Melisandre aren't just better at it.

Or that Sansa is still technically married to Tyrion, but obviously that marriage would be considered null by anyone not loyal to the Lannister crown.

Or wanting explanation on Craster's sons when it's pretty straightforward: they're turned into White Walkers.

Or that Sansa should be annoyed with Edmure for not sending Tully troops to fight the Walkers when his forces were wiped out, being watched over by Lannisters, and would be marching millions of miles north in the dead of winter.

He does bring up actual abandoned plotlines, but I think a lot of it is just padding.
Finally getting around to watching TC's video, and it really does sound like "they never explain how the Statue of Liberty made it to the Planet of the Apes." He really said that the Three-Eyed Raven said Bran wouldn't be able to walk, but he'd be able to fly (metaphorically), so he expected Bran to become a Dragonrider for some reason, but since he didn't it's an abandoned plot point.
UnfairRepresent posted...
I can't believe Season 4 is getting hate.

Season 2 and 4 getting smacked?

What's with CE
Have you read the books? I thought season 1 was pretty meh, but it was a damn sight better than season 4.
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PraetorXyn posted...
Have you read the books?

Yes

I thought season 1 was pretty meh, but it was a damn sight better than season 4.

I thought they were both great
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Nice I'll watch that later, GoT really is the only show I can't re watch due to how bad the last 2 seasons were. That video just makes that case even more valid.
At least House of the Dragon has a written ending they are aiming towards
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Lol I'm sitting here chewin' on my turnip stick chuckling at young'uns complaining about GoT when reel ones know the pain of Lost. Nothing comes close. I was watching seasons 5, 6, 7, and especially 8 of GoT with a grin the entire time, after the initial shock of seasons 1, 2, 3, and 4.

Does the video include the conversation between illyrio and varys that Arya overhears? Although it's just a theory in the books (since how could illyrio be at 2 places at once, in westeros and in dany land?) that that's who the conversation was between regarding "aegon" targaryen , it's hilarious that it was included at the time when that dumb new plot line from the books was ultimately not explored in the show.
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Euripides posted...
At least House of the Dragon has a written ending they are aiming towards
But is it a good ending tho
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apocalyptic_4 posted...
Nice I'll watch that later, GoT really is the only show I can't re watch due to how bad the last 2 seasons were. That video just makes that case even more valid.

You were on board with shirtless ramsey, littlefinger revealing his grand designs to a bunch of prostitutes going at it in a brothel, and season 5 buddy-comedy in dorne with jamie bronn? It was only until the last 2 seasons that did it in for ya?
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saspa posted...
You were on board with shirtless ramsey,

Yes

littlefinger revealing his grand designs to a bunch of prostitutes going at it in a brothel,

Yes

and season 5 buddy-comedy in dorne with jamie bronn? It was only until the last 2 seasons that did it in for ya?

No that subplot was shit. It was as bad as Season 8

Season 5 is where the cracks started to show.

The biggest crack IMO being the scene were Ser Barristan Selmy died. You can make a strong argument that it was the turning point in the shows decline.

But I'd still argue that for all the shit parts of Season 5 and 6, it was still a decent show overall.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
But is it a good ending tho

It's literally leading towards the Mad King
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