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Why do they make their games so hard and not easy?
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I think the difficulty is overrated. Other than a couple final bosses. Looking at you Sekiro and Shadow of the Erdtree
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The bait is too over the top obvious but its From Software so you will still get people taking it hook, line, and sinker.
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The difficulty of their games is insanely overrated
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i'm a both sides'er of the difficulty topic.

they get to make tough games if they choose. tough games are allowed to exist.

if they added an easy mode for people, it's not the end of the world from glazers act like it would be.
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They ain't there at all.
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MagiMarthKoopa posted...
The difficulty of their games is insanely overrated
It's literally as hard as you want to make it, and they're easier with every subsequent iteration
NoxObscuras posted...
From Soft was better back when they made Armored Core 4/For Answer. I hate their current design philosophy.
And I thought you were cool... now on my shit list!
Currently playing - Dragon's Dogma 2
Who cares.
If you don't like their difficulty, just don't play their games.
People who keep complaining about it are just free advertising for them.
Just move on and let them fade away.
Why would you stay in a gaming message board when you stopped gaming?
They did make Enchanted Arms.
Today's the same as ever.
Not only are their games too hard, but they should add an easy mode.
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archizzy posted...
The bait is too over the top obvious but its From Software so you will still get people taking it hook, line, and sinker.
given who the tc is i think theyre just like this
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if you beat one of their games the rest of them suddenly feel like average difficulty

you have to beat it without major cheesing though. shout-out to my friend who beat dark souls 1 by looking up some goofy magic build online and just (nerd voice) Magic Missile!-ing his way through each boss standing a hundred feet away >_>
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Their difficulty is overstated. Most of the time you can grind to get stats and it turns into pattern recognition.

I don't consider myself a "pro gamer" or anything, but I think there is maybe like... 5 bosses total in the SoulsBorne genre by FromSoft that took more than 20 attempts?
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Elden Ring wasnt easy, but it wasnt as hard as some people make it out to be. Its the people who act like they 100%d it without dying once on their first try that irk me.
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bsp77 posted...
And I thought you were cool... now on my shit list!
Hey, I like what I like
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NoxObscuras posted...
Hey, I like what I like
I assume you know I'm not serious

And I don't like Armored Core
Currently playing - Dragon's Dogma 2
They got a lot easier when you realize big heavy armor and using a shield for blocking is infinitely worse than the literal invulnerability button they give you from the start.
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Board_hunter567 posted...
They got a lot easier when you realize big heavy armor is infinitely worse than the literal invulnerability button they give you from the start.
You do have to time it really well though tbf
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bsp77 posted...
I assume you know I'm not serious

And I don't like Armored Core
Yeah you're fine. I wouldn't have responded so flippantly if I thought you were being serious lol
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
Their difficulty is overstated. Most of the time you can grind to get stats and it turns into pattern recognition.

I don't consider myself a "pro gamer" or anything, but I think there is maybe like... 5 bosses total in the SoulsBorne genre by FromSoft that took more than 20 attempts?
Yeah I think anyone with a moderate amount of adaptability and dedication could comfortably get through a Soulsborne game.

The difficulty tends to be overstated as a overcorrection. So much of the gaming landscape holds your hand and effectively plays itself, people weren't ready for a game that simply pushes back on the player back when Dark Souls dropped, and it led to this "die a million times hardest game on Earth".

They're more "challenging" than ultra-hard. The games expect you to engage with them, but give you more than enough tools so that any gamer could find a way to win.
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If all it was was really hard, I could give that a chance. I've played a lot of "superhard" games and most of them were not that bad. I've even played a From game--that being Armored Core 2. It was challenging and a number of levels took some retries, but I was steadily if slowly progressing through the game when I lost access to the disc and had to stop.

But the moment I knew Dark Souls was bullshit was when I learned about that thing where other players teleport into your game and kill you.

You must be OUTSIDE YOUR MIND.

I legit don't even care about that thing where it's a trade-off for whatever overpowered nonsense and you can keep other players out by not doing the thing; just the idea that someone on staff said "what if we let other players teleport into your game and kill you while you're trying to play the game" and that guy didn't get fired tells me everything I need to know.
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ReturnOfDevsman posted...
If all it was was really hard, I could give that a chance. I've played a lot of "superhard" games and most of them were not that bad. I've even played a From game--that being Armored Core 2. It was challenging and a number of levels took some retries, but I was steadily if slowly progressing through the game when I lost access to the disc and had to stop.

But the moment I knew Dark Souls was bullshit was when I learned about that thing where other players teleport into your game and kill you.

You must be OUTSIDE YOUR MIND.

I legit don't even care about that thing where it's a trade-off for whatever overpowered nonsense and you can keep other players out by not doing the thing; just the idea that someone on staff said "what if we let other players teleport into your game and kill you while you're trying to play the game" and that guy didn't get fired tells me everything I need to know.
Play offline... problem solved

Also, it rarely happens even when online, and I usually stop them
Currently playing - Dragon's Dogma 2
I'm old (in gamer years). My first system was the snes and I played games that were hard for me at the time.

Fromsoft gives me the same vibes. The deaths are (mostly) fair, and there are ways to make the game easier if you want. I love the sense of adventure that the games have. If you don't like it, then great, go play something else. I just beat super mario wonder with my friend not too long ago. That game is (mostly) really easy, but I still had fun, and I wouldn't hold that against it.
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Board_hunter567 posted...
They got a lot easier when you realize big heavy armor and using a shield for blocking is infinitely worse than the literal invulnerability button they give you from the start.
Being invulnerable while holding a button is easier than being invulnerable with a timed action. There's a reason PCR's easiest counter is greatshield poking.

In DS1 you can just outright facetank everything and not have to roll OR block with heavy armour
NoxObscuras posted...
From Soft was better back when they made Armored Core 4/For Answer. I hate their current design philosophy.

Ironically, the first games the Souls series and rest of current From Soft era got his start with. Miyazakiiii!
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bsp77 posted...
Play offline... problem solved

Also, it rarely happens even when online, and I usually stop them
Playing offline makes that guy get fired?

That's one crazy mechanic.
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ReturnOfDevsman posted...
Playing offline makes that guy get fired?

That's one crazy mechanic.

It is also a very unique mechanic that gives the games a sense of identity more so than it has. Okay you don't like it, you cannot interact with it, but you are waaay overblowing it. Like, extremely overblowing it. No one should be fired for having a unique idea just because you don't like it.
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ReturnOfDevsman posted...
If all it was was really hard, I could give that a chance. I've played a lot of "superhard" games and most of them were not that bad. I've even played a From game--that being Armored Core 2. It was challenging and a number of levels took some retries, but I was steadily if slowly progressing through the game when I lost access to the disc and had to stop.

But the moment I knew Dark Souls was bullshit was when I learned about that thing where other players teleport into your game and kill you.

You must be OUTSIDE YOUR MIND.

I legit don't even care about that thing where it's a trade-off for whatever overpowered nonsense and you can keep other players out by not doing the thing; just the idea that someone on staff said "what if we let other players teleport into your game and kill you while you're trying to play the game" and that guy didn't get fired tells me everything I need to know.

LMAO stay mad and also ignorant of how it actually works.
ReturnOfDevsman posted...
That's one crazy mechanic.
Naw.

That's the one boss fight that you skip by playing offline.
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Kaldrenthebold posted...
It is also a very unique mechanic that gives the games a sense of identity more so than it has. Okay you don't like it, you cannot interact with it, but you are waaay overblowing it. Like, extremely overblowing it. No one should be fired for having a unique idea just because you don't like it.
Which is why I fall back on the alternative of I don't have to play this bullshit game just because they're allowed to make it.
Arguing on CE be all like:
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ReturnOfDevsman posted...
Which is why I fall back on the alternative of I don't have to play this bullshit game just because they're allowed to make it.

That's....your prerogative. Just like it's mine to think that is stupid as shit.
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Kaldrenthebold posted...
That's....your prerogative. Just like it's mine to think that is stupid as shit.
Thinking that everyone has to have the exact same preferences is stupid as shit.
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ellis123 posted...
Thinking that everyone has to have the exact same preferences is stupid as shit.

You are allowed to think that my thinking of it being stupid as shit is stupid as shit. That's the beauty of life. Me thinking someone is avoiding a game because of one mechanic they don't need to even engage with is stupid has no bearing on you thinking me thinking that someone avoiding a game because of one mechanic they don't need to even engage with is stupid as shit.
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And I will say that, while the "hardest games ever" things is overblown, I also strongly dislike the mentality that has come from Soulsborne fans. The mindset that a game sucks if it's not hard. Not all fans are like that, but it's spread enough to be annoying.
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i loathe the invasion mechanic too but im not really following the issue here. if you arent playing co-op, why isnt playing offline problem solved?
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LonelyStoner posted...
Elden Ring wasnt easy, but it wasnt as hard as some people make it out to be. Its the people who act like they 100%d it without dying once on their first try that irk me.

i feel like elden ring was balanced around the idea that the player would actually use summons, enchantments mimics whatever etc very liberally

basically all the things that were seen as making the game easier than intended in the previous games, elden ring instead assumed you'll use them and designed the bosses around that, and by not using them you are making the game artificially hard instead
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Also I would like to point out. I play offline / do not engage with the invasion mechanic and love the games. So yeah this isn't even me defending it. One time in Demon's Souls on a fresh character, some ass with the scraper set literally crippled and destroyed all my armor and weapons to the point where I couldn't afford to repair them or use anything else to kill stuff to get souls to fix them.

That's when I went offline for good.
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Dungeater posted...
i loathe the invasion mechanic too but im not really following the issue here. if you arent playing co-op, why isnt playing offline problem solved?
Look at it this way.

If you looked at a restaurant menu and saw a menu item made from actual dog poop, are you going to go to that restaurant? You could always order something else, you know.
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Dungeater posted...
i loathe the invasion mechanic too but im not really following the issue here. if you arent playing co-op, why isnt playing offline problem solved?

It's Devs.
bsp77 posted...
You do have to time it really well though tbf
It's not so bad when the frame rate is a solid 60, which most of the console releases very much are not.

MagiMarthKoopa posted...
Being invulnerable while holding a button is easier than being invulnerable with a timed action. There's a reason PCR's easiest counter is greatshield poking.

In DS1 you can just outright facetank everything and not have to roll OR block with heavy armour
It teaches bad habits for later though, like trying to tank AOE, grab, and frenzy attacks instead of moving slightly away from them. All the games are designed very similarly, so the sooner you learn the fundamentals and what to watch out for the better.
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ReturnOfDevsman posted...
Look at it this way.

If you looked at a restaurant menu and saw a menu item made from actual dog poop, are you going to go to that restaurant? You could always order something else, you know.

I will respond to your disingenuous comment by just saying this.

Nobody cares if you don't like SoulsBorne games. That is totally fine. I don't like most real time strategy games because that's just not something I like.

I don't feel the need to go around to topics about RTS games and point out why I don't like them. They're not for me and there is no reason for me to crap all over someone else for liking them. At most if someone made a topic and was like, "I don't like RTS games" I might come in and say I also feel the same way and that's all. I'm not gonna attack it because it isn't for my sensibilities.
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Board_hunter567 posted...
It teaches bad habits for later though, like trying to tank AOE, grab, and frenzy attacks instead of moving slightly away from them. All the games are designed very similarly, so the sooner you learn the fundamentals the better.
I never learned any bad habits from using shields. It's easy to learn the timing and spacing of attacks while using them.

I quickly discovered in DS1 circling or stepping away from attacks to make them whiff and not need a block or roll thanks to shields.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...
Look at it this way.

If you looked at a restaurant menu and saw a menu item made from actual dog poop, are you going to go to that restaurant? You could always order something else, you know.

I'm not sure why anyone would ever take you seriously.
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ReturnOfDevsman posted...
Look at it this way.

If you looked at a restaurant menu and saw a menu item made from actual dog poop, are you going to go to that restaurant? You could always order something else, you know.
I don't play Dark Souls games either, but wtf kind of analogy is this?
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
I will respond to your disingenuous comment by just saying this.

Nobody cares if you don't like SoulsBorne games. That is totally fine. I don't like most real time strategy games because that's just not something I like.

I don't feel the need to go around to topics about RTS games and point out why I don't like them. They're not for me and there is no reason for me to crap all over someone else for liking them. At most if someone made a topic and was like, "I don't like RTS games" I might come in and say I also feel the same way and that's all. I'm not gonna attack it because it isn't for my sensibilities.
Now that's just completely wrong, lol.

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