Saw Captain America Brave New World. Was this supposed to be bad?

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emblem-man
06/09/2025
02:43 PM
#1
Seemed fine. I enjoyed it. I remember there being lots of really bad criticism about it when it came out.

Or am I just a philistine who doesn't understand film? I mean, I probably am. But I was expecting something like really bad.
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Murphiroth
06/09/2025
02:44 PM
#2
It's rough and feels very Phase 1ish but it's definitely not terrible.

Solid and I'd put it over First Avenger personally.
bsp77
06/09/2025
02:45 PM
#3
I thought it was okay. 6 / 10
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DodogamaRayBrst
06/09/2025
02:45 PM
#4
Yeah, it's cape shit.
s0nicfan
06/09/2025
02:45 PM
#5
I saw it on an airplane and my only real complaint is that the big fight at the end was kind of ridiculous with how much Sam was getting knocked around and seemingly uninjured, especially given his opponent.

That, and more broadly I'm kind of tired of the MCU not getting how vibranium is supposed to work. If you've got the shield in front of you, and something hits the shield, you shouldn't go flying, but that isn't exactly isolated to this one movie.
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boomgetchopped3
06/09/2025
02:47 PM
#6
It was ok. I had hangups about the new Falcon. Not the actor. Just the concept of another Falcon. I get why they had to replace Cap because he was a symbol. But now they have to backfill Falcons position? Why?
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VeggetaX
06/09/2025
02:48 PM
#7
It's probably because people were expecting Winter Soldier but they got a Falcon Captain America instead so some people were let down
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boomgetchopped3
06/09/2025
02:51 PM
#9
Theres also only so many times I can see twirly wings and be like cool
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mystic_belmont
06/09/2025
02:56 PM
#10
It felt more like a Hulk movie than a Cap movie.
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Sephirothe
06/09/2025
02:56 PM
#11
DodogamaRayBrst posted...
Yeah, it's cape shit.

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Akuryu
06/09/2025
02:58 PM
#12
It's fine. If it came out in phase 1 or 2, people would have liked it, but expectations are higher now, and people are more critical. Its cool to hate on those movies.
DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC
06/09/2025
02:58 PM
#13
IMO, it was very much "not great, not terrible".

My only major problem with it was Sam being able to stand up to Rulk, even with his new suit and wings.
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rick_alverado
06/09/2025
03:52 PM
#14
VeggetaX posted...
It's probably because people were expecting Winter Soldier but they got a Falcon Captain America instead so some people were let down

While I enjoyed it, my biggest issue was that it was too much like Winter Soldier, but not as tightly put together. You had a Captain America, a Falcon, and a Black Widow. A boss that Captain America doesn't trust. A friend of Captain America that has been brainwashed and attacks said boss. A mysterious villain that is predicting the future, and who the heroes have to go on a road trip to a hidden location to find. As a result it kept getting compared in my head, and that was to its detriment.
Murphiroth
06/09/2025
03:54 PM
#15
I do think the movie would have been way better received if the Rulk stuff had stayed under wraps.

Yeah it's pretty easy to see it's coming with the clues in the film itself but if they hadn't advertised it I still think all of the buildup to the reveal would have worked way better.
Compsognathus
06/09/2025
04:03 PM
#16
It's aggressively okay while borrowing heavily from, Winter Soldier, which was a much better film. And that makes it seem worse.

It's also a functionally a sequel to The Incredible Hulk that doesn't have the Hulk in it, which is more bizarre than anything.

And decamping the Serpent Society is just wrong and unnecessary.
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action52
06/09/2025
04:15 PM
#17
Yeah, not many people said it was terrible or anything. The general consensus seemed to be that it wasn't bad, just a disappointment. Worse than most Marvel movies but still okay.
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asdf8562
06/09/2025
04:17 PM
#18
A black guy was considered Captain America, therefore its automatically "woke" which means its, "bad."

IIRC, Ford also said something that was considered, "woke." But my memory is vague on what that was.

If I had to guess who was calling it bad and why, I'd place my bets there.
specialkid8
06/09/2025
04:28 PM
#19
It's pretty messy because of all the reshoots but there's a decent movie in there. Harrison Ford, despite being famous for not giving a shit, did a really great job.
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K181
06/09/2025
04:58 PM
#20
I thought it was okay, but it also felt like it was a story better suited to be about Bruce Banner given that most of the characters involved were from his past movie, albeit as Edward Norton.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
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Delirious_Beard
06/09/2025
05:00 PM
#21
DodogamaRayBrst posted...
Yeah, it's cape shit.
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MhkaCHemistry
06/09/2025
05:09 PM
#22
5/10, there's definitely worse Marvel out there. Anthony Mackie decent to good as Cap, rest of the movie outside of Harrison Ford really let him down.
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RchHomieQuanChi
06/09/2025
05:12 PM
#23
It's okay
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masterpug53
06/13/2025
10:05 PM
#24
Finally sat down and watched it a few days ago. It was...okay, but it was also the least engaged I've ever been with an MCU movie outside of...I dunno, the original Thor? It was all so very by the numbers. Oh look, mind control...again. Neat, a Black Widow agent taking down a hallway full of goons, never seen that before. A brainy villain who speaks in percentage odds, how original. The one thing that could've been an exciting and engaging twist of course got spoiled heavily in the advertising, but this is a recurring problem with the MCU as a whole. The only thing that really burns me about the movie is that they absolutely wasted Giancarlo Esposito in this role.

I've loved Mackie's Falcon since WS, and I've been rooting for him every step of the way over being the new Cap, but he really needs the Russos back to give him some better material to work with.
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elizajanegirl
06/13/2025
10:06 PM
#25
I enjoyed it.
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WingsOfGood
06/13/2025
10:07 PM
#26
emblem-man posted...
Or am I just a philistine who doesn't understand film?

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that is not cinema

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vycebrand2
06/13/2025
10:14 PM
#27
specialkid8 posted...
It's pretty messy because of all the reshoots but there's a decent movie in there. Harrison Ford, despite being famous for not giving a shit, did a really great job.
Odd choice given his age too. Someone around 60 would have been fine. I say this as a fan of everything Harrison Ford has ever done. I was like ok......he did fine though
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masterpug53
06/13/2025
10:21 PM
#28
vycebrand2 posted...
Odd choice given his age too. Someone around 60 would have been fine. I say this as a fan of everything Harrison Ford has ever done. I was like ok......he did fine though

I'm probably gonna go against the grain here, but I liked Ford in the role, at least as it pertained to this specific movie; I was expecting grumpy easy-paycheck Ford, but he ended up being better than anticipated. I thought William Hurt played a great Thunderbolt Ross in movies past, but the irony for me is that, if he had survived to continue playing the role in this movie, I don't think I would've found him believable as a contrite man trying to atone for his mistakes and desperate to make up with his daughter the way that a broke-down old Harrison Ford sold it.
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Kaitouace
06/13/2025
10:26 PM
#29
It was fine, Carl Lumbly did a great job as usual and Harrison Ford actually seemed to care for one in his role. My main "issues" with it were the obvious reshoot villain in Sidewinder and Leader just kinda went "aw fuck it" at the end for no real reason. Really should have kept the real Serpent Society in it. They were cut because they were apparently too "comic booky" for the audience which is...what the hell do you think you're watching?

The main problem I feel with the general audience was that people were REALLY hoping (for whatever reason) that this movie would "save" the MCU from its current mediocrity. But it was only just fine but people were so disappointed that they kinda trashed it more than it deserved. The effect bled into Thunderbolts which was actually good but people seemed so down from their hopes for Cap that they didn't really care much.

Movie should have stuck to its guns with the original script instead of trying to chase the second coming of Winter Soldier. It's a glorified Hulk movie. Don't be afraid to get a little nuts.
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LightHawKnight
06/13/2025
10:32 PM
#30
Solid 7 maybe 7.5 movie to me. If they hid the reveal of Red Hulk, that would have boosted it a point. It was and still is pretty obvious why a ton of people hated it so much.
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Charged151
06/13/2025
10:37 PM
#31
mystic_belmont posted...
It felt more like a Hulk movie than a Cap movie.
Without the Hulk of course. His absence was felt.
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Squall28
06/13/2025
10:38 PM
#32
I don't think it's bad, just very middle of the road. Nothing was particularly great about it.
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Chadawah
06/13/2025
10:39 PM
#33
I've only watched the begining so far, and they did Anothony Mackie a disservice with those terrible fight scenes and dialog. It felt cringe. I liked the show more than most, so I expected I would like this movie more than others as well. I'll finish it after a few drinks.
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MonkeyBones23
06/13/2025
10:42 PM
#34
I normally don't care about this, but the scene at the very end with the cherry blossoms where red hulk is calmed down was the worst green screen CGI I've ever seen.

Overall I was meh about it. Lower half MCU movie.
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masterpug53
06/13/2025
10:45 PM
#35
MonkeyBones23 posted...
I normally don't care about this, but the scene at the very end with the cherry blossoms where red hulk is calmed down was the worst green screen CGI I've ever seen.

Overall I was meh about it. Lower half MCU movie.

I too am hesitant to rag on Marvel's sfx department after all the shit they've been through lately, but I swear there was one shot in the military base where Cap's Shield moved like it was a UFO hanging from a string in some 50's B-movie, lol.
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Link_of_time
06/13/2025
10:46 PM
#36
Murphiroth posted...
I do think the movie would have been way better received if the Rulk stuff had stayed under wraps.

Yeah it's pretty easy to see it's coming with the clues in the film itself but if they hadn't advertised it I still think all of the buildup to the reveal would have worked way better.
First thing i said watching it. The whole movie is building around it and while hardcore fans would've known about Red Hulk, casuals would've been caught completely off guard. Not saying it would've fixed the movie, but it was definitely supposed to be a central part. Their biggest problem was that this felt more like a series as there were a few too many plots going on. They never really finished any of the plots to a satisfying degree.

Should've have just expanded the Leaders role, but kept him in the back playing puppet master.
ReturnOfDevsman
06/13/2025
11:55 PM
#37
What happened is, Martin Scorsese doesn't like Marvel movies, and made some nonsense complaint about how they're so bad they don't count as movies, and everyone was like "Oh! That guy's smart! I'll agree with him!"
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TMOG
06/14/2025
01:10 AM
#38
I thought it was okay and liked it for the most part, but it took so long to get to Red Hulk finally making an appearance and wrecking shit that by the time it happened I was checked out.
tripleh213
06/14/2025
01:11 AM
#39
6/10 is fair
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dancing_cactuar
06/14/2025
01:25 AM
#40
It's a Hulkless Hulk movie disguised as a Captain America movie that is essentially Winter Soldier from Wish.
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TMOG
06/14/2025
01:31 AM
#41
dancing_cactuar posted...
It's a Hulkless Hulk movie disguised as a Captain America movie that is essentially Winter Soldier from Wish.
Yeah, this is a good summary tbh.

I've also been saying for years that Civil War had no business being branded as a Captain America movie and should have either been an Avengers title or just Civil War. There's no need for it to have the Captain America name attached to the title.
Toonstrack
06/14/2025
01:39 AM
#42
emblem-man posted...
Seemed fine. I enjoyed it. I remember there being lots of really bad criticism about it when it came out.

Or am I just a philistine who doesn't understand film? I mean, I probably am. But I was expecting something like really bad.

Nah it's a pretty good movie. People were measuring it up to like endgame or something for some reason. Its a perfectly enjoyable action flick. Almost everyone in real life I know have seen it liked it.
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Blue_Target
06/14/2025
01:52 AM
#43
I thought it was alright. Definitely missed a few things here and there because I never watched the Disney+ shows. The ending couldve been more exciting.
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vycebrand2
06/14/2025
04:13 AM
#44
ReturnOfDevsman posted...
What happened is, Martin Scorsese doesn't like Marvel movies, and made some nonsense complaint about how they're so bad they don't count as movies, and everyone was like "Oh! That guy's smart! I'll agree with him!"
How many gangster movies did he make again?

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Blue_Popo
06/14/2025
04:21 AM
#45
It's fine. One of the weaker MCU movies for sure.

Did like the ocean flight battle

Also sam doesn't need the super soldier serum. All of the super soldiers in the MCU would have been folded by red hulk
UnfairRepresent
06/14/2025
05:37 AM
#46
asdf8562 posted...
A black guy was considered Captain America, therefore its automatically "woke" which means its, "bad."
I haven't seen the movie but this is pretty much the only criticism I have ever seen of it.

"It's soooo woke! There's a whole black guy in it!"
^ Hey now that's completely unfair!
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rexcrk
06/14/2025
06:36 AM
#47
Saw Captain America Brave New World. Was this supposed to be bad?

Nah it was definitely one of the better post-Endgame MCU entries.
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012yArthur0
06/14/2025
06:43 AM
#48
DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted...
IMO, it was very much "not great, not terrible".
Essentially this I guess. MCU is too big and relatively "old" to keep relying on mid movies to survive.

MCU is way past its Golden Age so it needs to score bangers to keep itself relevant, and they already broke the emergency glass by bringing back RDJ.
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