Go argue with the people who wrote the wikiOh lord, you've resorted to using the fandom wiki as a lifeline.
also apparently killing enemy combatants (that the player can choose to spare) from the corrupt church is wrong according to tyranNot what you are getting at, but in White Clouds, the worst thing the Church did (or at least what it is portrayed as the worst thing) is Rhea executing the traitorous leaders of the Western Church. You know, the THSITD branch of the Church. It felt just considering what they have been doing and the fact you mow down plenty of enemies every map anyway.
its pretty standard in FE reallyI mean recruiting Shinon in FE9 comes to mind with Rolf talking to him followed by defeating him with Ike, but situations like that aren't all that common. Usually it is "talk to x character with y character" to recruit them.
the church forced the crest based class system on peopleNone of this really applies to Part 1, but...
that alone is evil
the church forced the crest based class system on people
that alone is evil
the church forced the crest based class system on peopleIts not good but like everything in this game that isn't from the edgy manipulators its rooted in good intentions.
that alone is evil
Its not good but like everything in this game that isn't from the edgy manipulators its rooted in good intentions.
the church forced the crest based class system on peopleEdelgard
that alone is evil
Its not good but like everything in this game that isn't from the edgy manipulators its rooted in good intentions.Yeah... Even the Church suppressing tech as mentioned in the DLC/Shadow Library was to prevent another group like the Agarthians showing up and using said tech
as ive said this game is built on grey moralityWhich is why I wish THSITD weren't in the story as they stick out like a sore thumb and add very little to the story.
but the person i was responding to was acting like the church is just some benevolent organization in part 1
Although I'll be honest, given the positioning and how they were just generally fortified, the Church threw that initial engagement as hard as they possibly could. No way that rebellion should've even gotten off the ground realistically.You mean the invasion of the monastery at the End of Part 1? The Empire had been preparing for war for likely years, had gigantic monsters on their side (crest beasts), and the Empire is portrayed as the strongest of the four factions in Fodlan (three countries + Church).
You mean the invasion of the monastery at the End of Part 1? The Empire had been preparing for war for likely years, had gigantic monsters on their side (crest beasts), and the Empire is portrayed as the strongest of the four factions in Fodlan (three countries + Church).I was speaking from a realistic standpoint. They're up a mountain with layers of ridiculously high walls and a standing military. If they had even a crumb of awareness they wouldn't have lost.
I was speaking from a realistic standpoint. They're up a mountain with layers of ridiculously high walls and a standing military. If they had even a crumb of awareness they wouldn't have lost.Rhea is laser focused on stupid meaningless bullshit from centuries ago because she couldn't handle her mother's death. She's ultimately in charge of it all and couldn't even fucking see two other crest of flames users were at her college before Byleth arrived.
Rhea is laser focused on stupid meaningless bullshit from centuries ago because she couldn't handle her mother's death. She's ultimately in charge of it all and couldn't even fucking see two other crest of flames users were at her college before Byleth arrived.The other part is the Church of Seiros's standing forces are presumed to be spread out and likely haven't had to deal with someone invading the Monastery with a huge army...since it was founded. The whole invasion took Rhea and other Church officials by surprise.
also apparently killing enemy combatants (that the player can choose to spare) from the corrupt church is wrong according to tyranTheres nothing wrong with it, and likewise there is nothing wrong with Rhea attempting to kill Edelgard on the spot in chapter 11.
Theres nothing wrong with it, and likewise there is nothing wrong with Rhea attempting to kill Edelgard on the spot in chapter 11.
just like there is nothing wrong with edelgard wanting to overthrow the corrupt system
Still kills a lot of innocent people tho.
which innocent people die on her routIts a war. By its very nature it would get a lot of people killed in the crossfire.
so then what is YOUR solution to stopping the crest systemWork from within to expose the church's secrets.
Work from within to expose the church's secrets.
which innocent people die on her routThe people that died in a war that ravaged Fodlan for five years? Also, speaking of corruption, should we talk about the students her direct subordinate, the Death Knight/Jeritza, helped abduct to be experimented on and killed, or do they not count because they were at the monastery and The ChuRCh iS CorRUPT?
Suddenly war is bad and you're only killing innocents.I mean, unwittingly, he ended up helping build the evil empire his son had to take down...
Meanwhile Sigurd exists.
I mean, unwittingly, he ended up helping build the evil empire his son had to take down...
Theres nothing wrong with it, and likewise there is nothing wrong with Rhea attempting to kill Edelgard on the spot in chapter 11.Are you ready to share your evidence of Edelgard kidnapping people to turn them into Demonic Beasts?
It's always funny watching the mental gymnastics unfold when it comes to Edelgard and War. Suddenly war is bad and you're only killing innocents.
Meanwhile Sigurd exists.
Are you ready to share your evidence of Edelgard kidnapping people to turn them into Demonic Beasts?I haven't seen the event happen myself (just heard about it), but if 25 turns pass without rescuing Flayn/
I don't think anyone argues Sigurd isn't flawed
but people dont call him a full on villain like they do edelgardA better comparison is between Edelgard and Arvis. Heck, with how much Three Houses pays homage to FE4 (holy blood=crests basically, TWSITD=Loptyr Cult), it is obvious he at least had some inspiration on Edelgard's character with both having a fire motif (Flame Emperor). I mean...
so then what is YOUR solution to stopping the crest system
the Time skip event happens when the javelins of light are used on Garreg Mach.
The people that died in a war that ravaged Fodlan for five years? Also, speaking of corruption, should we talk about the students her direct subordinate, the Death Knight/Jeritza, helped abduct to be experimented on and killed, or do they not count because they were at the monastery and The ChuRCh iS CorRUPT?They don't count, because reasons :v
Of course the reason none of this can happen is largely the fault of Edelgard's paranoia and fixation on solving the problem herself.
the Time skip event happens when the javelins of light are used on Garreg Mach.
Omega fucking facepalm.
claude is also paranoid you know
he does not trust ANYONE
and goes against the entire romance options for the player
You are referring to the fact that the Javelins of Light can't work on the Monastery (hence why The Valley of Torment exists when missiles got redirected)?
yeah cus historically that works out great
just like how all those organized religions in RL where stopped when their corruptions was exposed
You say the full power is blocked but just a little bit gets through to cause some havoc. You obviously can't have the monastery be completely destroyed."The full power?" What do you think they are, laser beams from space???
You say the full power is blocked but just a little bit gets through to cause some havoc. You obviously can't have the monastery be completely destroyed.Last time TWSITD tried to nuke the Monastery the Javelin(s) of Light got redirected into Ailell. Safe to say the monastery is nuke proof.
Byleth doesnt know Edelgard is planning to turn against the church until she surprises everyone in the tomb and doesnt know Claude is distrustful of the church unless youre in the Golden Deer house. So it wouldnt make sense for Byleth to get them to ally with each other unless you change the story so that Byleth knows both dont like the church much earlier and without needing to be in a specific house.
Rhea is deposed by Byleth, becoming the new Ecclesiastical head of the Church.You don't even need to depose her, as when confronted with the consequences and devastation her propagation of a false history caused, Rhea willingly steps down from her position as archbishop in both Azure Moon and Silver Snow.
I haven't seen the event happen myself (just heard about it), but if 25 turns pass without rescuing Flayn/Yes, and Monica too. Are you assuming she gives Flayn over to be harvested for parts?not!Monica from the Death Knight, I heard the Flame Emperor shows up to take Flayn away.
Would love if someone would confirm or deny this happens.
But that is ignoring all the people "sacrificed" by not exposing TWSITD earlier.Edelgard's options to expose or stop the Agarthans early are very very limited, she needed the church's cooperation and to have had a number of really lucky breaks fall into her lap to depose Thales early in Hopes, and Rhea pretty openly threatens her if she turns out to be wrong about Arundel, in spite of how seriously Rhea should take any signs of resurgence from the Agarthans.
Also, speaking of corruption, should we talk about the students her direct subordinate, the Death Knight/Jeritza, helped abduct to be experimented on and killed, or do they not count because they were at the monastery and The ChuRCh iS CorRUPT?Funny thing about that , Rhea directly states there's no evidence that the Death Knight actually hurt anyone prior to Flayn's disappearance:
That is horse shit.No, it's true. There's a whole scene in Verdant Wind of Claude and Edelgard being equally unwilling to trust the other with their secrets:
No, it's true. There's a whole scene in Verdant Wind of Claude and Edelgard being equally unwilling to trust the other with their secrets:
https://houses.fedatamine.com/en-us/scenarios/56
is far quicker to trust Byleth and his other allies than Edelgard is.Edelgard opens up about her darkest trauma to Byleth and Constance and shares her ideals with her classmates before the attack on Garreg Mach.
Edelgard opens up about her darkest trauma to Byleth and Constance and shares her ideals with her classmates before the attack on Garreg Mach.
Claude keeps his ambitions to himself until near the end of his story and never tells anyone his name, even Byleth if her marries her!