Who is most to blame for America's descent into fascism?

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It all comes back to Citizens United, which comes back to the repealing of Glass-Steagall, which comds back to Reagan, which comes back to Nixon, which comes back to Alger Hiss.

Lincoln's assassination and Andrew Johnson abandoning Reconstruction is another big one.
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Sayoria posted...
The Republican party is the group who can stop him at the Senate, House and Supreme Court. Not a single one of those fucks are doing that.
Because they want this, yes.
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Where's the choice for the wealthy/wealth inequality? Because that's always what it is, everytime throughout history.
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pinky0926 posted...
Where's the choice for the wealthy/wealth inequality? Because that's always what it is, everytime throughout history.
The wealthy, just like the poor, are the consequence of unregulated capitalism and the power and priority given to the markets.
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ai123 posted...
The wealthy, just like the poor, are the consequence of unregulated capitalism and the power and priority given to the markets.

It's a little bit of the chicken and the egg though, right?

Like the wealthy don't want any threat of their wealth being taken away, so they support capitalist policies, and capitalisms existence is a method of creating the ultra wealthy.
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The American people.
It isnt just one thing, so I cant answer.

Theres a collective failure on multiple fronts including with complicit eligible voters who dont vote, happily contribute to reasons why some dont vote, andor allies constantly messaging on "both sides bad" due to purity bs.
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ai123 posted...
The wealthy, just like the poor, are the consequence of unregulated capitalism and the power and priority given to the markets.

Yeah. As the other guy said, we create the wealthy with capitalism, and the wealthy create further capitalism.
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pinky0926 posted...
Yeah. As the other guy said, we create the wealthy with capitalism, and the wealthy create further capitalism.
Yep.

And under capitalism, billionaires and CEOs are just as replaceable as everyone else. So people make Mangione memes and talk about how all billionaires are evil, and it's just so empty, because it isn't about individuals but a system and a structure.
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It's the American people themselves.
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Heineken14 posted...
This. It's the republicans who are doing the lying, cheating, and stealing. It's them who have made propaganda outlets. It is them who have poisoned the well. It is them who have attacked education. It is them who have them who have constantly attacked democracy.

I completely agree with this and the post you responded to from Marvel. The Republicans have been poisoning the well for decades and have completely abandoned good faith governing in purposeful pursuit of this outcome. Trump is a symptom of this disease, but the GOP set this course a long time ago and is responsible for it.

The electorate is a close second. They have all the information they need to make good decisions, including a disastrous first Trump term and a literal coup attempt on live TV. But our voters are too lazy, gullible, and adverse to critical thought to have basic good judgment. We take democracy for granted, and dont take voting seriously, as if democracy is always going to be there for sure. Our ridiculous electorate being so easy to manipulate is how the GOP knew they could get away with getting us to this point.

Everything else has some responsibility, but is very far down the list of our problems.

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Zikten posted...
Ultimately I blame everything on the failure to properly punish the south after the Civil War. Yes, I do think it can be traced all the way back to that. I think America would be very different today if we hadn't left that cancer to fester

I dont think that matters either way. The idea existed before and has been re-imagined by others. We likely would just been in a slight variation of this current problem either way based on how the world is moving.
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Westernwolf4 posted...
I completely agree with this and the post you responded to from Marvel. The Republicans have been poisoning the well for decades and have completely abandoned good faith governing in purposeful pursuit of this outcome. Trump is a symptom of this disease, but the GOP set this course a long time ago and is responsible for it.

The electorate is a close second. They have all the information they need to make good decisions, including a disastrous first Trump term and a literal coup attempt on live TV. But our voters are too lazy, gullible, and adverse to critical thought to have basic good judgment. We take democracy for granted, and dont take voting seriously, as if democracy is always going to be there for sure. Our ridiculous electorate being so easy to manipulate is how the GOP knew they could get away with getting us to this point.

Everything else has some responsibility, but is very far down the list of our problems.

Yeah, I definitely don't think voters are blameless but if I'm putting MOST blame on anything, it's definitely The Republican Party as an entity.
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How is the answer not the American people

You remove any of the options above it and you'll still end up here.
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Hospy posted...
How is the answer not the American people

You remove any of the options above it and you'll still end up here.
if we removed decades of intentional propaganda and sabotaging of education systems by rightwing politicians and media and religious fundamentalists, then no, we would not have ended up here
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DoesntMatter posted...
if we removed decades of intentional propaganda and sabotaging of education systems by rightwing politicians and media and religious fundamentalists, then no, we would not have ended up here
None of those are options on the poll except maybe the Republican party, but they wouldn't exist without the American people.
It ultimately boils down to the American people allowing this to happen. Whatever happens to our democracy going forward, we were still a functioning democracy in November 2024, and things like ignorance, apathy, and hatred were very much choices at that point.
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DoesntMatter posted...
if we removed decades of intentional propaganda and sabotaging of education systems by rightwing politicians and media and religious fundamentalists, then no, we would not have ended up here
All of that was done by American people tho
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Of these answers, the Republican party. They have been ripping out the foundation of our country for decades, since at least Nixon.

Not listed, capitalism, as this is the system that incentivizes these evil people by rewarding their evil.
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suchiuomizu posted...
Psst, hes part of the media.
Yeah, and for the same reason that Republicans and Democrats aren't lumped into the same "The government" option just letting all of the media getting lumped into the same brush is just ignorance at best.
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All of the above to various differing degrees.
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Unknown5uspect posted...
All of that was done by American people tho
Rupert Murdoch was born in Australia
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The wealthiest most privileged people and grifters weaponizing social media and using their platforms (elon musk and twitter, morons like joe rogan, tucker carlson and candace owens with their podcasts, asmongold and his moronic viewers. 4chan and pol being a thing that continues to exist and causing severe brain rot to impressionable kids, teens, and young 20 somethings etc. Vast majority of young school shooters or jack-asses shooting up mosques etc. is created via trash like 4chan's boards, certain reddit subreddits, r9k, 8chan etc. molding their views,) to rile up certain groups in a anger frenzy to go after other most of the time disenfranchised specific groups with the endgoal being said rich people and/or grifters benefiting even more than they already do.

Yall know that quote. The Lyndon B. Johnson quote about picking pockets via convincing the lowest man he is better than this minority man and he won't notice you picking his pocket and he will more than likely empty his pockets for you . Its this, but on a major scale.

Like people are blaming republicans as a group but you have to remember what actually caused the modern republican compared to the types in the past......social media continues to cause serious devastation via constant misinformation and hate (blaming immigrants, blaming minorities, blaming LGBTQ, blaming vaccines, blaming books and thus burn books, blaming schools etc. MAGA (make great again from what??) All misinformation that is constantly spread via a weaponized social media) and the people who own the individual platforms or run the biggest platforms like podcasts continue to warp gullible people's brains into absolute mush so that they can benefit in some way.
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The people who vote for Donald Trump
The media has been controlling our view points and evolved into social media combining their manipulation tactics onto voters, non voters, and future politicians since it first began. The poll is a good example of how people still dont see that.
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America always was low key facist. We just been keeping them away from power for a long time up until Trump came into politics and encouraged them.
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DoesntMatter posted...
Rupert Murdoch was born in Australia
And yet he couldn't own a television network in the US until he became an American citizen and renounced his Australian citizenship.
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American People for sure.

It's not like Trump had to really even try to get 40% of the population to abandon Democracy...they gleefully embraced it.
TheSuperSilver posted...
It's the American people themselves.

I disagree.

The American people (ie working class) can fix it though whenever they realize they

are working class and virtue signaling is not that rewarding.
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This massive backslide has only been possible with social media.
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Evening_Dragon posted...
This massive backslide has only been possible with social media.
Yep. Our current situation is almost completely caused by social media and the most evil people with the biggest platforms. Sure, we had moronic groups like the westboro baptist church and random nazi groups in the past and they have always existed in some form in general, but in the era of social media every single idiot now has a platform to spread their dumbassey, and is actively encouraged to do so by the idiots that run the biggest ones, twitter, facebook, telegram, 4chan and it's spawn, etc. Back when all we had were newspapers, radio and television these clowns where rarely ever given the time of day for their bull-shit.

I just came across this news article a hour ago....a target parking lot shooting.

https://people.com/police-identify-shooting-suspect-texas-target-killing-3-including-child-11789478

https://abc7.com/post/austin-target-store-shooter-fired-randomly-killing-employee-4-year-old-child-grandfather-police/17515360/

Dude killed a little 4 year old girl, her grand-dad, injured his wife and stole their car in a completely random attack......yet another young 32 year old straight white dude. I bring up his race and sexual orientation because this is exactly what the idiot himself said and was complaining about via his posts on.....social media's facebook, mark zuckerburg's platform, =/.

He posted about native americans being violent and he felt victimized as a "straight white dude". Dude like the rest of the usual 20 to early 30 somethings just have their already delicate n' fragile brains obliterated by the type of garbage they read on social media. Now he loses his shit and goes violent, kills 2 random people injures the 3rd, crashing the stolen vehicle against other cars, assaulting a lady and stealing her volkswagon, vandalizes someone's home that he knew from "bible study" (again, very predictable with this stuff). When they found him to tase him he was butt-ass naked, =/

.....and again, predictably if its one of these young white dudes flipping out because of whatever crap they picked up from social media mental illness is the excuse. Not the other, more harmful rhetoric that is spread about other minority groups via the constant misinformation and anger loop that social media provides 24/7 every single day of the year.

I'm tellin' ya', our current situation in the united states and in some other areas of the world has genuinely gotten that much worse because of social media and the bad faith most wealthy and/or influential actors with the largest megaphones. I really wish the population at large can realize this.
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The GOP. They gave Trump the power to do what he's doing to be a fascist.
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The same strategy that kept feudalism in place.
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The modern conservative movement can be traced back to the Heritage Foundation, which was founded by Edwin Fuelner and Paul Weyrich, who had significant backing from billionaire trust fund kids Joseph Coors and Richard Mellon Scaife.

The Heritage Foundation basically served the purpose of how can we sugarcoat racist policies so that voters still vote for us despite being racists? They spent a tremendous amount of money on transforming the public discourse to convince Americans that the government intervening to desegregate public schools was fascism (its not), raising taxes on billionaires to pay for public services was communism (its not), and that it is the Christian duty of every American to oppose these things.

They used abortion as their dog whistle issue and changed their platforms. Instead of cutting public services for Blacks, they changed it to stimulate the economy by putting more money in the hands of job creators. Instead of school segregation, it became school vouchers so that less funding would go towards public schools and more money would go towards expensive private schools, and these views are essentially endemic amongst all evangelicals.
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Capitalism. Fascism will be the end result of capitalism unless it's tempered with other ideologies.

But capitalism isn't a person. If you want a single person at the start, I'd probably go with Reagan. So many of the issues today can be directly traced back to Reagan era policies. Repeal of the Fairness Doctrine? Reagan. Low tax rates for the wealthy and corporations? Reagan. Mass deregulation? Reagan. The gutting of the welfare state? Reagan. Reaganomics? I'll give you a guess. The obscene redistribution of wealth to the rich? Ronald fucking Reagan. Even the slogan of Make America Great Again is a Reagan thing.

I notice an option missing from this poll.
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reincarnator07 posted...
Capitalism. Fascism will be the end result of capitalism unless it's tempered with other ideologies.

But capitalism isn't a person. If you want a single person at the start, I'd probably go with Reagan. So many of the issues today can be directly traced back to Reagan era policies. Repeal of the Fairness Doctrine? Reagan. Low tax rates for the wealthy and corporations? Reagan. Mass deregulation? Reagan. The gutting of the welfare state? Reagan. Reaganomics? I'll give you a guess. The obscene redistribution of wealth to the rich? Ronald fucking Reagan. Even the slogan of Make America Great Again is a Reagan thing.

I notice an option missing from this poll.

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Zikten posted...
Ultimately I blame everything on the failure to properly punish the south after the Civil War. Yes, I do think it can be traced all the way back to that. I think America would be very different today if we hadn't left that cancer to fester

Yup. But I also agree with this:

reincarnator07 posted...
Capitalism. Fascism will be the end result of capitalism unless it's tempered with other ideologies.

But capitalism isn't a person. If you want a single person at the start, I'd probably go with Reagan. So many of the issues today can be directly traced back to Reagan era policies. Repeal of the Fairness Doctrine? Reagan. Low tax rates for the wealthy and corporations? Reagan. Mass deregulation? Reagan. The gutting of the welfare state? Reagan. Reaganomics? I'll give you a guess. The obscene redistribution of wealth to the rich? Ronald fucking Reagan. Even the slogan of Make America Great Again is a Reagan thing.

I notice an option missing from this poll.

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