What is stopping them from just ignoring this and continuing to do whatever the hell they want?Being arrested, one hopes.
What is stopping them from just ignoring this and continuing to do whatever the hell they want?
How will they even arrest them? Aren't they all anonymous and masked?
Ignoring the Chicago PD trying to arrest them? Bold move. I hope they try it.Are the Chicago PD actually willing to enforce this and pit their resources against the federal government's?
Are the Chicago PD actually willing to enforce this and pit their resources against the federal government's?
Ignoring the Chicago PD trying to arrest them? Bold move. I hope they try it.Why would CPD even do this? They're on the same side as ICE.
How would the police even enforce this?With handcuffs. and guns if necessary.
Why would CPD even do this? They're on the same side as ICE.
I do not believe the Chicago PD will turn down an opportunity to arrest anyone.I believe the Chicago PD must contend with reality in the same way as everyone else does.
I believe the Chicago PD must contend with reality in the same way as everyone else does.
This article was written on the 22nd about an order that was issued on the 7th. Has ICE run afoul of it and have had members arrested yet, or naw?
It is pending appeal in the 7th circuit so nothing has happened yet.We know what will happen if it goes to SCOTUS
Will probably go to SCOTUS. Who knows what will happen then.
We know what will happen if it goes to SCOTUS
They never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever rule in a way that gives them less power.
I think it's true in this cases, but isn't the whole "The president can do whatever he wants and not be punished" reducing their power?
No. The actual wording of that ruling is more like "the president is presumed to have immunity but we can still say that he doesn't"so what that boils down to is "a president is immune from being held accountable as long as there's an R next to their name".
How will they even arrest them? Aren't they all anonymous and masked?
Many criminals are, in fact, anonymous and masked when they're committing crimes.yes. and when you go looking for them you talk to regular ass citizens who will roll over on the criminals. when you go looking to identify ICE agents you're going to go to the assholes running the secret police, do you seriously think they'll identify their agents?
yes. and when you go looking for them you talk to regular ass citizens who will roll over on the criminals. when you go looking to identify ICE agents you're going to go to the assholes running the secret police, do you seriously think they'll identify their agents?Arrest the agent on the street...?
Arrest the agent on the street...?how do you propose to do that? keep in mind these guys are active federal agents that move in groups and are kitted up with military hardware. you think most of these chuckle fucks are going to do more then giggle and tell a cop to get the fuck out of the way if they try to arrest one of them?
how do you propose to do that? keep in mind these guys are active federal agents that move in groups and are kitted up with military hardware. you think most of these chuckle fucks are going to do more then giggle and tell a cop to get the fuck out of the way if they try to arrest one of them?You think the CPD doesn't move in groups or have military hardware?
What is stopping them from just ignoring this and continuing to do whatever the hell they want?Nothing the first time.
No they aren't. They might both be racist but there's territorialism at play here. ICE is treading on the CPD's turf. You can't just show up, usurp cop's authority, and expect them to be cool with it just because they're racists.I can because they both want the same thing. Unless CPD wants to harass and beat up minorities even more than ICE does.
how do you propose to do that? keep in mind these guys are active federal agents that move in groups and are kitted up with military hardware. you think most of these chuckle fucks are going to do more then giggle and tell a cop to get the fuck out of the way if they try to arrest one of them?
You think the CPD doesn't move in groups or have military hardware?i'm pretty sure the federal agency has more of it, and better funding, so yeah.
Ice terrorists are pussies. Show them a real officer in CPD, see how tough they are then.individually sure, when you put them in large groups with body armor/assault rifles/APC? no, now they're larping.
yes. and when you go looking for them you talk to regular ass citizens who will roll over on the criminals. when you go looking to identify ICE agents you're going to go to the assholes running the secret police, do you seriously think they'll identify their agents?
1. They won't be given a choice. Police will just confiscate their documentation.how will they do any of that? that's like saying a states police will raid an FBI branch building. ICE is under federal authority, the police are under state, federal authority wins out in all cases. the only way you could raid an ICE facility would be to have the FBI or another federal investigative body authorize it.
2. If they don't identify the suspect, arrest for obstruction of justice.
federal authority wins out in all cases
i'm pretty sure the federal agency has more of it, and better funding, so yeah.Mate, did you forget about the Patriot Act and all that military hardware cops have picked up in the last twenty-some years?
Why would CPD even do this? They're on the same side as ICE.As a former Chicagoan, the might be racist cops, but that racist part flies straight out the fucking window when they're dealing with something going against Chicago. It has a tendency to just turn to gang "us vs them" mentality then.
As a former Chicagoan, the might be racist cops, but that racist part flies straight out the fucking window when they're dealing with something going against Chicago. It has a tendency to just turn to gang "us vs them" mentality then.Plus ICE has been fucking with officers, which is pretty much the only way to get said officers to actually give a shit.
Normally this is correct except in this case the court that ordered this is a federal court.sure, in a world where the judicial branch of the federal government wasn't controlled by republican sock puppets i'd agree with you. but the supreme court are all bought and paid by trump, so every ruling by a federal judge against his pet projects are just a minor delay until they rule in his favor.
Mate, did you forget about the Patriot Act and all that military hardware cops have picked up in the last twenty-some years?and your argument reminds me of my racist uncle who thinks he's going to be able to hold off the "librul police" that might come to "take his guns" with the arsenal he's got in his closet. scale matters here. ICE got 170billion in funds to play with. the chicago police have maybe .1% of that. ICE has more and bigger toys.
This isn't exactly as one-sided as you seem to think.
Good. Fuck ICE bitches
sure, in a world where the judicial branch of the federal government wasn't controlled by republican sock puppets i'd agree with you. but the supreme court are all bought and paid by trump, so every ruling by a federal judge against his pet projects are just a minor delay until they rule in his favor.ICE is largely untrained with most of its field personnel not even working for ICE.
and your argument reminds me of my racist uncle who thinks he's going to be able to hold off the "librul police" that might come to "take his guns" with the arsenal he's got in his closet. scale matters here. ICE got 170billion in funds to play with. the chicago police have maybe .1% of that. ICE has more and bigger toys.