They should have just ended with the In Memoriam segment, and kept the rest of the order the same as other years. It would have been appropriate given the past year, and they could have ended on Boseman without it blowing up in their face.Yeah that would've been a much better call, though to be fair it's always possible people would've just tuned out once the awards were finished
My guess is that the order decision was a combination of wishful thinking that people care about Chadwick Boseman (You... don't think Americans know the star of the third highest grossing movie in US history, who also had major scenes in the second and fifth highest grossing movies in US history?your average Oscar viewer has no idea who he is)
You... don't think Americans know the star of the third highest grossing movie in US history, who also had major scenes in the second and fifth highest grossing movies in US history?The "average" oscar viewer isn't a marvel fan, nor are they film snobs. Most people who watch award shows are middle aged moms who also really like NCIS and Two and a Half Men. I promise you they don't know Chadwick Boseman by name.
Honestly Fincher probably should have won for The Social Network looking back on it.This was true at the time and has only gotten more true since, Fincher losing to Tom Hooper (and Social Network losing to King's Speech) is still ridiculous. I mean I don't expect the Oscars to go for Fincher's kind of thing usually, but he was there in the running and had won elsewhere, and they chose the guy who would go on to make CATS!
This was true at the time and has only gotten more true since, Fincher losing to Tom Hooper (and Social Network losing to King's Speech) is still ridiculous. I mean I don't expect the Oscars to go for Fincher's kind of thing usually, but he was there in the running and had won elsewhere, and they chose the guy who would go on to make CATS!
He should've also been nom'd for Gone Girl imo, but yeah he didn't deserve it for Mank.
Oh, and the ratings are in.what?
2019: 21.6/36
2020: 18.1/33
2021: 8.9/19
Get woke, go broke.
And don't even try blaming covid, because with covid people are watching and streaming more than ever before. If your ratings collapse over 50% from the year before, it's because you absolutely suck.
I feel like a lot of this is ignoring the main issue. Adults in this country have stopped going to see movies made for adults, and would rather just infantalize themselves by watching nothing but franchise movies and films made for children. It's true that the Oscar nominees/winners are no longer box office hits, but that's not because the Oscars have become more stuck up in what they support; it's because audiences have. Best Picture winners like Terms of Endearment, Out of Africa, Platoon, Rain Man, Dances with Wolves, Forrest Gump, were all huge hits at the box office. None of those movies would be as popular now, because people refuse to go see anything they are not already familiar with. Being part of a "cinematic universe" is more important then whether or not a movie is actually good.I feel like that's not entirely a fair take either. That's partially true, but also most of the nominees tend to be movies that are never released for a major audience prior to the Oscars. Most of the time it's near impossible to see the all the nominees before the show itself without downloading them because half the nominees get released at like 10 theaters a month before the nomination process. Producers have started using the awards as a way to advertise their movies for later release rather than using the popularity of the release to adverstise for award season.
I feel like that's not entirely a fair take either. That's partially true, but also most of the nominees tend to be movies that are never released for a major audience prior to the Oscars. Most of the time it's near impossible to see the all the nominees before the show itself without downloading them because half the nominees get released at like 10 theaters a month before the nomination process. Producers have started using the awards as a way to advertise their movies for later release rather than using the popularity of the release to adverstise for award season.
Disagree with the Oscars? Blame the Stone Cutters, they rig every Oscar night.
Well yes, this year there were logical reasons why no one saw any of the nominees. I don't begrudge the public for not going to see any of them. I was talking about the decline of Oscar-nominated movies in general in my previous post.Yeah, this year's a weird example in every way, but even in past years it was mostly the same, where 80% of the nominees are released within the last month or two of their availability, and often only as limited releases.
I think King's Speech was a better film than Social Network, but Social Network was better directed.Fair, I can respect that!
Its hard to fault the Oscars for picking Kings Speech, great film and far from the worst best picture movie (Looking at like, Argo and Crash here lol). Its more about its relevance and how its portrayal of Zuckerberg still remains relevant.And yeah you're right I was getting swept up putting it all together. The director pick was much more egregious, in isolation King's Speech isn't bad as far as standard Oscar fare goes. Related, I saw a graphic on twitter of the Best Actor wins in the 2010s and man that is a bland-ass list!
If anything, the Oscars would benefit from *actually* being more political. Where are the Marlon Brandos sending up fake Native Americans to refuse awards on their behalf? People think the Oscars are political now? Does the name Sacheen Littlefeather ring a bell?Agreed, people call any statement 'too political' now but the speeches are all super generic and no actors actually take a stand anymore. They'll be "woke" as a brand but very few of them actually put their money where their mouth is, they really live in a different world. I can't see anyone these days doing something like Brando did back then, none of them want to rock the boat if it'll hit their career.
I mean look at Chloe Zhao, she could be a really exciting filmmaker but she's already been swept up into the Marvel ecosystem. I don't think it's the consumer's fault, there are just much fewer options now. Mid-budget films are hardly getting made and indies have their audience but the blockbusters are so frequent that people don't really get a chance to slow down and look at what else is out there. I absolutely agree that the Marvel/Disney stuff is ruining what is left of cinema and the future looks very bleak on that front, I just don't think it's the fault of adults 'infantilising' themselves.
Was Nomadland ruined because it's a Disney film?Nomadland isn't a Disney film in any real sense. It was produced by indie companies, and distribution rights were picked up by Fox Searchlight before Disney bought Fox.
I mean look at Chloe Zhao, she could be a really exciting filmmaker but she's already been swept up into the Marvel ecosystem. I don't think it's the consumer's fault, there are just much fewer options now. Mid-budget films are hardly getting made and indies have their audience but the blockbusters are so frequent that people don't really get a chance to slow down and look at what else is out there. I absolutely agree that the Marvel/Disney stuff is ruining what is left of cinema and the future looks very bleak on that front, I just don't think it's the fault of adults 'infantilising' themselves.
Where are the Marlon Brandos sending up fake Native Americans to refuse awards on their behalf? People think the Oscars are political now? Does the name Sacheen Littlefeather ring a bell?
uhhh I don't think she's a fake Native AmericanWhoops I didn't read Yesmar's quote properly, I didn't see the 'fake' there. Screw the audience back then for booing her (and John Wayne for having to be physically restrained from removing her).
Whoops I didn't read Yesmar's quote properly, I didn't see the 'fake' there. Screw the audience back then for booing her (and John Wayne for having to be physically restrained from removing her).John Wayne not liking native Americans? No waaaaay
That said, going even more political probably isn't the answer. Any time an actor tries to push the envelope beyond a Disney-fied sense of diversity and inclusivity, that actor is usually memed and ridiculed (like Joaquin Phoenix last year with the dairy critiques). But the answer also isn't to embrace centrism, which Tyler Perry literally did on Sunday night in one of the grossest speeches I've ever heard.God, I forgot about Tyler Perry's centrist speech. That was some peak South Park 'smug' bs. That bit where he threw 'police officer' into the middle of a bunch of discriminated groups, ugh.
God, I forgot about Tyler Perry's centrist speech. That was some peak South Park 'smug' bs. That bit where he threw 'police officer' into the middle of a bunch of discriminated groups, ugh.Please tell me what group is socially acceptable to fill in the phrase "All [blanks] are bastards"
Please tell me what group is socially acceptable to fill in the phrase "All [blanks] are bastards"the one that's not a protected minority class
the one that's not protectedExactly.
