Community Mafia Topic 13 - Ethics of Appealing to Emotion

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TotallyNotMI posted...
FD you just get a successful message? It doesn't say who you targeted?

As I already confirmed to red yes, just successful.

Anyways I'm at family event right now, but when I get home I can give my ctes flavor theory. I suggest he claims before then
~C~ FD
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ctesjbuvf posted...
So what your theory is that Ulti has been stealing my vote every day until now?
I said this earlier as a theory, yes.

Days ago we talked about the possibility that scum is blocking their own to make them seem town. It's a low value scum power to use on town because it doesn't have much of an impact until end game and risks them being seen moving or getting redirected.

However, Ulti faking cop would likely feel like he would not be targeted by MZero or Kirby here and feel safe moving. But then when he was blocked, if you didn't claim responsibility for the blocking yourself, he's dead. So now you're coming up with a new claim to justify it and keep him alive.

Obviously just a theory but I think it's worth considering when you're being so cagey with even your flavoe.
We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend.
Also look at how much Ulti is defending him.
We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend.
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Kirby basically gave me credit for his block on Ulti because of my theory yes yesterday lol.
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we want flavor claimed!
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Don't call my behavior atrocious because my role has extreme benefits to not full claiming ever.
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The flavor is Starburns
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Of its a redirect from ctes to me....why?

If it was a bus of me and ctes, why not just use the bus to shoot with impunity?

I dont understand it.
ctesjbuvf posted...
Don't call my behavior atrocious because my role has extreme benefits to not full claiming ever.
Okay i have a problem with not knowing here and that is that something doesn't fit the setup.
Leafeon13N posted...
Of its a redirect from ctes to me....why?

If it was a bus of me and ctes, why not just use the bus to shoot with impunity?

I dont understand it.

The third option is redirect FD to you
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ctesjbuvf posted...
The third option is redirect FD to you
None of these options make sense to me tbh
We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend.
Neither to me
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Another option that I'm not sure on but to put it out there

If ctes/red are both scum they could be faking who got the pineapple to cause confusion amongst town
We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend.
Important question. Ulti, do you know who your target was for sure each night, or does your PM just come back Guilty or Innocent?

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Screw it, I'll do it from mobile.

I think ctes is Evil Troy.

Evil Troy loses his voice when trying to eat a flaming troll roll (yes, really) and he is later seen speaking using some kind of mechanized voice box.

So I think his two options are to stay silent (lose his vote) and scan innocent (because he looks like regular Troy)

Or to keep his vote (voice) but it gives him away so he scans guilty.

This theory doesn't explain how my love canister got to red, but maybe certain actions deflect off of him onto random targets. That part is less clear but the rest of it fits the flavor of Evil Troy too perfectly.

##Vote: Ctes
~C~ FD
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I mean it makes more sense than Starburns
We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend.
ctesjbuvf posted...
The flavor is Starburns

Oh you claimed while I was typing that.

How does your flavor justify anything you've revealed so far?
~C~ FD
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MaybeCtes is paranoid redirector.

But then again Ulti targeted him and I dont know if Ulti fakes a scan on someone that could be lynched and prove him scum due to their power.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
The third option is redirect FD to you
That seems extremely unlikely, because why would scum redirect the pineapple? Thats just as useless as the pineapple.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...


This theory doesn't explain how my love canister got to red, but maybe certain actions deflect off of him onto random
Honestly i thought he was going to claim something like this
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Screw it, I'll do it from mobile.

I think ctes is Evil Troy.

Evil Troy loses his voice when trying to eat a flaming troll roll (yes, really) and he is later seen speaking using some kind of mechanized voice box.

So I think his two options are to stay silent (lose his vote) and scan innocent (because he looks like regular Troy)

Or to keep his vote (voice) but it gives him away so he scans guilty.

This theory doesn't explain how my love canister got to red, but maybe certain actions deflect off of him onto random targets. That part is less clear but the rest of it fits the flavor of Evil Troy too perfectly.

##Vote: Ctes
That's pretty brilliant actually.
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Starburns went missing...

you know who else went missing? Lopen
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
How does your flavor justify anything you've revealed so far?

I really don't see that it does.
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My role is not responsible for any redirection.
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Maybe scum feared Ulti scanning Red?
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I will say, the way Ctes has been claiming small bits in short spurts here does feel incredibly stilted. The only reason I hesitate is because why does he admit to scanning guilty and being seen visiting night kills at all when Sbell is dead and Ulti is known to have not targeted him? Maybe its just the best thing he could come up with for negative actions that are worse than not having a vote? Because the issue is he does have to explain why he has been taking his own vote away each night, and does not have any benefits to offer to counter balance that downside.
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Maybe you stop with your setup/flavor meta s*** now and we start playing mafia again.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Maybe you stop with your setup/flavor meta s*** now and we start playing mafia again.

How can we, you've still only given half a claim
~C~ FD
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
How can we, you've still only given half a claim

And you would only need the other half to continue setup metaing
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So scum either - redirected FD to Ctes

Bussed Ctes to Red

Or swapped Ctes and Red

But the redirection one sounds impossible because then why would you redirect the pineapple, and why was that not used to redirect something more important earlier in the game? So why would scum swap the target of Ctes and Red? As usual I forget how bussing works. Does it work where if scum was expecting Ulti to scan Red last night, which they instead get the result of scanning Ctes?

Is that why they let Ctes scan guilty. And Red is town? Big theories going on here and thats why I want to know if Ulti knows exactly who he scanned each night
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PunishedBen posted...
I will say, the way Ctes has been claiming small bits in short spurts here does feel incredibly stilted. The only reason I hesitate is because why does he admit to scanning guilty and being seen visiting night kills at all when Sbell is dead and Ulti is known to have not targeted him? Maybe its just the best thing he could come up with for negative actions that are worse than not having a vote? Because the issue is he does have to explain why he has been taking his own vote away each night, and does not have any benefits to offer to counter balance that downside.
I mean he claimed after already being scanned innocent and sbell dead.
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If he is truthful i also would have liked him to be truthful right away and tell us he can scan guilty so that we dont waste a scan on him. AKA, claim Miller. But that's maybe a me thing
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UltimaterializerX posted...
I know the target.
Okay interesting. So then what was the purpose of scum bussing Ctes to Red, because that gets rid of my idea.
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PunishedBen posted...
So scum either - redirected FD to Ctes

Bussed Ctes to Red

Or swapped Ctes and Red

But the redirection one sounds impossible because then why would you redirect the pineapple, and why was that not used to redirect something more important earlier in the game? So why would scum swap the target of Ctes and Red? As usual I forget how bussing works. Does it work where if scum was expecting Ulti to scan Red last night, which they instead get the result of scanning Ctes?

Is that why they let Ctes scan guilty. And Red is town? Big theories going on here and thats why I want to know if Ulti knows exactly who he scanned each night
Or ctes and red are scum together and this is all fake
We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend.
PunishedBen posted...
Okay interesting. So then what was the purpose of scum bussing Ctes to Red, because that gets rid of my idea.

My initial idea was getting the vote loss on red to "clear" him, but that would have to mean they really believed it was a targeted ability. It also doesn't make sense because someone (in this case me) would say who it was meant for.
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Actually, bussing makes less sense than a full swap. It doesn't make sense that they were bussing Ctes to redirect the scan target, because - FD targeted Ctes. He got Red. They definitely weren't expecting Ulti to target Ctes again.

If its a full swap of targets, then that potentially could make Ulti hit Ctes instead of Red were Ulti to target Red....this is all assuming Ulti is town and that scum were expecting him to target Red though
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PunishedBen posted...
If he is truthful i also would have liked him to be truthful right away and tell us he can scan guilty so that we dont waste a scan on him. AKA, claim Miller. But that's maybe a me thing

Wtf you didn't waste a scan. And I had no intention on using it at the time.
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I hate the bussing/swapping roles in general for this very purpose. Also, redirection is out because they already had a roleblocker.
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Swapping actions at red and me actually makes complete sense if red is scum and they feared the scan. They would pick someone already scanned then.
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I guess it's also possible scum just didn't want Ulti to get another scan period.

Red really hasn't seemed like he knew about a swap today at least.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Swapping actions at red and me actually makes complete sense if red is scum and they feared the scan. They would pick someone already scanned then.
It actually makes sense if I'm town too.

It feels like the most reasonable action but still weird.
Yeah I realized and then made the next post.
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Scum having a redirector on top of the OP roleblocker with our town claims feels like a fantasy
We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend.
Right,

This is getting juicier.

The fact that Ctes and Red were swapped/bussed at all kind of means that mafia cant possibly be aware that Ctes scans guilty tonight, right? Because what if Ulti scanned Red? He would just target Ctes and find him guilty? If the theory is that Ctes is conditional Godfather if he gives up his vote, why swap him with Ulti's most likely scan target?
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Great everyone is town. I guess the point is at least two people are lying or playing 4D chess somewhere in a corner.

You have to imagine that if Red was scum they would still have to do what they did and prevent him from getting scanned. So it doesnt clear him that he was swapped
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