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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 10:45:00 PM
#266 |
To use a real-life example of where the clothes make the fighter, take consensus top-5 MMA lightweight Shinya Aoki. Unlike most MMA fighters, he wears full tights when he fights, for traction on his submissions to help them lock in more tightly. Many organizations (mostly American ones) do not allow for such clothing to be worn in the ring, but in the promotions where he normally fights, it's not against the rules.
If WWE ever makes it retroactively illegal to be barefoot in the ring, the Samoans are toast!
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 10:37:00 PM
#263 |
Hey I had no issue with Floyd there either!
If the ref said "fight" then you gotta be ready!
Being smarter than your opponent is part of being better than them in the ring.
It's like points fighters in MMA: people say they suck because they're not actively trying to finish the fight, but an established way of winning is via decision. It's how the sport works.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 10:28:00 PM
#261 |
Totally within the rules!
EDIT: And he didn't take his boot off, Angle did. <_<
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 10:26:00 PM
#259 |
Not really. Eddie's role in my sig has nothing to do with his skills as a wrestler.
Daniel Bryan in the OTHER line of my sig, on the other hand... <_<
But no, people cheating to hold onto the strap bothers me as a mark but not as a smark. It's what's best for business, as part of the pathos play that is professional wrestling, the ultimate theater in the round. You can't have a hero if you don't have a villain, and the greed and avarice that drives such villains to underhandedly cling to their titles is a proven winner as a plot driver.
And to be honest, Eddie's reign was fairly clean, aside from the Goldberg interference which assisted his original win (but did not seal it!)
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 10:13:00 PM
#257 |
From: TheRock1525 | #255
Rock has victories over Mick. Mick has victories over Rock. The title is never about being the best in the world and always about who's better that night. And that's how it is in the WWF/E because it's the only way that makes sense. It's why guys cheat. It's why guys weasel their way in and out of victories. The Miz was never the best in the world, but he was damn good at making sure he didn't lose his championship. But that's what it's SUPPOSED to mean though, and that's why we're supposed to be so outraged when a heel cheats. Yes, it does only mean "the best in the world on that particular night" but still, it's about being temporarily the best in the world! This is why Vince is so anal about the whole "it's not a belt" thing. The belt is just a material representation of the concept of the best wrestler in the world. You aren't truly fighting "for the belt," you're fighting for the TITLE. The belt is not the title, "WWE Champion" is the title. And when someone like Miz tarnishes that title by weaseling his way through his reign, it's supposed to sicken us. Now I will 100% grant you that WWE has by-and-large forgotten this concept many times, and they've often turned the the belt into a meaningless MacGuffin for dudes at or near the top of the card to fight over. No argument there.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 9:50:00 PM
#254 |
SPEAKING of the Huckster:
Here are the quarter-hour ratings from Impact:
Q1: 1.05 rating - Dixie Carter and Sting addressing events with Robert Roode at the end of Victory Road
Q2: 1.15 rating - follow-up to the opening segment, first-half of a four-way X Division match
Q3: 1.08 rating - second-half of the X Division match, the first of three Repo Games segments, the first-half of ODB & Eric Young vs. Sarita & Rosita
Q4: 1.16 rating - second-half of the Knockout Tag Title match, backstage segments and video packages
Q5: 1.18 rating - James Storm's mid-ring promo and superkick to Bobby Roode's lawyer
Q6: 1.00 rating - Kurt Angle-Garett Bischoff three-minute challenge
Q7: 1.04 rating - TNA Tag Title match, Hulk Hogan backstage, more Repo Games
Q8: 1.05 rating - Storm vs. Daniels & Kazarian in a handicap match and Dixie Carter bringing out Hulk Hogan to tease a GM change
Remind me again why they pay Hogan so much?
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 9:48:00 PM
#253 |
I still agree with him NOT doing it though. Putting some noob cleanly over Austin on a random Raw with no buildup is a Russo-esque waste.
Although on the flipside, the fact that HOGAN went on to do one for Lesnar on a random SmackDown makes Austin look kinda bad. <_<
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 9:43:00 PM
#251 |
From: SmartMuffin | #249
Honestly, look back at the all time greats. Think of which ones are highly respected, and which ones are mainly hated. Then think which ones put people over, and which ones hogged the spotlight and made it all about them. Those two sets match up almost perfectly. All the greats, and I include Foley AND Rock in this, *never* hesitate to put someone over when necessary. Austin might be the one guy that defies this rule, although it's different than hogging the spotlight. He was willing to put over most anyone if it made business sense, but he did flat out refuse to do some jobs (Triple H in 1999 and Lesnar in 2002 most notably) that he felt weren't good for business. EDIT: Taker is more respected than damn near anyone too, and he rarely puts anyone over, although I have to believe that it's not him demanding anything and just creative deciding that his character should be protected. You NEVER hear stories of Taker using his backstage clout for anything beyond getting extra time off.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 9:12:00 PM
#248 |
(I must admit it feels strange trying so hard to convince TheRock that The Rock should have won a match)
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 9:07:00 PM
#247 |
From: TheRock1525 | #241
John Elway won a Super Bowl (two, technically) and promptly retired, as did Jerome Bettis. Michael Jordan twice left basketball after winning an NBA championship.
Floyd Mayweather retired while a champion, as did Lennox Lewis. Rocky Marciano retired undefeated.
None of these instances the championship was cheapened by their decisions. And these are real sports. I'm positive that the championship wouldn't be diminished if Foley had won it that night. The team sports arguments don't hold water IMO. Those titles are handed out to (ostensibly) the best team annually. If Michael Jordan retired as Champion after the 1998 season, then of course that doesn't harm the 1999 title, because he then has no bearing on which was the best team for the 1999 season. The boxing titles are at least lineage-based like pro wrestling titles, but they're different because the sport is actually real (*cough*). Although even then I'd say that sometimes it does cheapen things. When someone retires as Champion, it weakens the next Champion's argument that they are the best in the world at their weight class, when there was someone else already established as such that they never beat. In pro wrestling, I would argue that no Championship has ever been strengthened by a vacancy, and in the vast, vast majority of cases, vacancy weakened the title. Sure, a title tournament culminating at Backlash 2000 might have been a fun time, but then when Rock wins, it cheapens the value of his reign since he never beat Foley for it, so then we don't truly (in kayfabe) know if he's BETTER than Foley and thus the best wrestler in the world. The core strength of the WWE Championship is its clean lineage. 49 years in and only 7 vacancies is remarkable, and as I've documented before, in the case of every single one of those vacancies, a "true" Champion was eventually determined after maybe a questionable reign or two. Compare that to the World Heavyweight Title which in only 9 1/2 years has already accumulated 5 vacancies, or the WCW Title which scored a whopping 12 vacancies in less than 11 years of existence. The level of purity for the undisputed top title in the world is unchallenged. Foley winning the title at WM and then vacating it the next night on Raw cheapens the title going forward. Maybe not critically so, but needlessly so. Most of Foley's great WM moments have come in losses. After reading all four of his books, I don't think he'd have it any other way.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 8:32:00 PM
#240 |
From: SmartMuffin | #238
This one is probably in SERIOUS jeopardy! And it shouldn't happen IMHO. Heck, Bret Hart won his last matches after his "comeback," and even I as the biggest Bret mark on this board will say "that was really really uncalled for and stupid." He should have beaten Vince, yes. In a much shorter match, but that was a fair win. There's NO WAY he should have gone over The Miz for the US Title though, ESPECIALLY since he wasn't returning the job. If you want to MAYBE make the case that he can win the title briefly in a really goofy fashion full of run-ins and comeuppance for The Miz for one big feel-good moment, then that MIGHT work, but it hinges entirely on Bret actually doing a rematch and jobbing out to the Awesome One to give him his heat back.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 8:29:00 PM
#239 |
From: Chronic1000 | #233
So I just had a random thought. When was the last time Raw was preempted and either had to air later on at night, a different night, or they just didn't air an episode that week and went straight until the next week? Early September 2008 for the US Open probably, since that was the last time it was carried by USA. When Raw returned to USA in October 2005, they had a deal that they no longer would be pre-empted for the Westminster Kennel Club dog show, and thusly the only time the situation you asked about ever happened again was for the US Open for a few more years. I distinctly remember them temporarily moving to SyFy and still going live to deal with it at least one time.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 8:22:00 PM
#236 |
From: TheRock1525 | #226
Funny, I remember Foley spending the last two months putting over The Rock to build him up for WM, where he lost and lost a rematch at Backlash. But his popularity stuck pretty damn well, if you ask me. Yeah, because Rock was the heel at the time and Austin was going to carry the company through the summer of '99, so Rock SHOULD have lost at WM to Austin, in the same vein that Triple H SHOULD have lost at WM to The Rock. Besides, by not taking the glory for himself, it ended up being all about Vince McMahon again. The whole thing left a lot of bad tastes in people's mouths, at it was the beginning of BACKSTAGE POWERZ HHH. Well, the main thing I'm arguing is that Rock winning is a superior option to EITHER Triple H OR Foley winning that match. Debating Triple H winning vs. Foley winning is a lot closer of a debate, and I can at least understand the idea that Foley winning was the second-best-option there, even if I personally disagree. No way is it better than Rock walking out on top though. You're assuming that if Foley won, Rock and HHH would have never been as big as they became. Nevermind the fact that Rock was already huge and was going to continue being huge or that HHH wasn't going anywhere no matter what the objections (seriously, you think Mick Foley winning at WM was enough to end HHH's career?).
Choosing to celebrating an aging for one night in his illustrious career by having him win on the biggest stage of them all wasn't going to permanently derail either of these guy's careers. That's completely different from what the WWE does now (routinely put over the same guys and give spots to proven stars all the time).
We could have had another great WM moment and instead no one wants to remember WM2000's ending, or if they do they remember it bitterly. I'm not saying that it completely submarines Trips and Rock to have Foley win the match, but it does unnecessarily burden them, and it cheapens the title. Absolutely no one deserves to win their final match (which at the time it was presumed to be for Foley, and was for 4 years IIRC). Not Flair, not Hogan, not Austin, not Rock, not Shawn, not Bret, not Cena, not Hunter, not Undertaker, and not Foley. None of them are bigger than the business, and none of them SHOULD be bigger than the Championship (although sadly some of them are). Rock coming out on top WOULD have been an awesome Wrestlemania moment, and it's one he definitely deserved and never really got. That was the time for it, in hindsight. Instead he has on his resume losing at XV (fair), losing at 2000 (dumb move), losing at X-7 while being booed out of the building (bad move regardless of how much I love heel Austin creatively), booed mercilessly at X8 (total dick move by Toronto), booed at XIX (fair since he was the heel), and stuck in a midcard tag match at XX. Rock has NEVER gotten the "triumphant at Wrestlemania to the adulation of the millions" moment he deserved, and IF he is going to stick around after XXVIII and do some more matches over the next couple years, this might be the time to do it.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 4:51:00 PM
#219 |
Again, I disagree. Triple H's breakout moment was the Foley feud with the Rumble streetfight and No Way Out HiaC where he retired Mick.
Now, if they have pulled the swerve, had Triple H win at Mania and establish a win over Rock and then go on to actually have a longer title reign, then okay, there's an argument there, but that's not what happened. After WM he immediately lost the strap to Rock at the next PPV and then they traded it back and forth for two more months.
Still though, the BIGGER problem is that Vince (and the McMahons in general) took center stage over both of them, which would become a recurring trend!
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JaKyL25
03/23/12 4:34:00 PM
#217 |
Well if the rumors are true and Rock would actually be returning for some more matches down the line, then there's an argument to be made for him to go over and build to other matches, be they with Cena or others.
If this is it, Rock is 1-and-done, then it would be crazy to put him over.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 4:30:00 PM
#215 |
Nah, the McMahon-Helmsley Era was before then, with just Steph and Hunter in charge with DX as their minions. The WM ending led to the McMahon-Helmsley Regime. I liked the Era better. From: TheRock1525 | #213
It should have been a final closing celebration to Foley's career. Him holding the title high, thanking the fans and then riding off into the sunset (figuratively speaking). Foley deserved it, IMO. Yeah it would have been a nice moment, but you shouldn't just do that to the title. Bret Hart wanted to do that and look what happened. Plus I highly doubt Foley would WANT to take the spotlight away from Hunter and Rock after he just spent the last 2 months getting Hunter over. Selling out the future to pop the fans today is what got WWE into its current mess.
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JaKyL25
03/23/12 2:51:00 PM
#211 |
Yeah, even as a staunch HHHater, that main event was all on Vince deciding that his heel turn should be the main story of the match.
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JaKyL25
03/23/12 2:45:00 PM
#209 |
Yeah, first time.
Yokozuna won WWF Championship matches at both WM IX and WM X but on both cards managed to find ways to lose the title before the end of the show.
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| Topic | Possible NFL Rule changes |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 2:35:00 PM
#8 |
Yes PLEASE have a review official handling replays instead of an on-field official.
Once you implement that, then #1 is obviously a lot more palatable to a lot of people, and heck I'm for it anyway even if we're stuck with the stupid current time-wasting review model when NCAA has given them a great format for it.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 2:31:00 PM
#206 |
From: TheRock1525 | #205
Every now and then, I forget that The Rock lost three WM main event title matches in a row. WM2000 was probably the worst because Mick Foley should have won and instead it came down to Rock/HHH.
I was a huge Rock mark and even I was like "what the hell?" Nah, Rock should have won, IMO. It doesn't do anyone any good for a guy on his way out to go over Triple H and Rock who will be carrying the company moving forward. That said, it doesn't make any sense for the heel to win the WM main event either. <_<
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 1:13:00 PM
#198 |
Bored enough to slap together a combined WWE/WHC combined title lengths ranking:
(as of today)
1.) Bruno Sammartino: 4040
2.) Hulk Hogan: 2185
3.) Bob Backlund: 2138
4.) John Cena: 1164
5.) Triple H: 1155
6.) Pedro Morales: 1027
7.) Bret Hart: 654
8.) Randy Orton: 558
9.) Edge: 548
10.) Batista: 544
11.) Steve Austin: 529
12.) Randy Savage: 520
13.) The Undertaker: 445
14.) Shawn Michaels: 424
15.) Kurt Angle: 379
16.) Diesel: 358
17.) Brock Lesnar: 355
18.) CM Punk: 312
19.) The Rock: 297
20.) "Superstar" Billy Graham: 296
21.) The Ultimate Warrior: 293
22.) Yokozuna: 280
22.) John "Bradshaw" Layfield: 280
24.) Chris Jericho: 204
25.) Sheamus: 161
26.) The Miz: 160
27.) Kane: 155
28.) Chris Benoit: 154
29.) Rey Mysterio: 140
30.) Eddie Guerrero: 133
31.) King Booker: 126
32.) Ric Flair: 118
33.) Sycho Sid: 97
34.) Daniel Bryan: 96
35.) Mark Henry: 91
36.) Alberto Del Rio: 84
36.) Goldberg: 84
38.) Jack Swagger: 82
39.) The Big Show: 78
40.) Jeff Hardy: 70
41.) Sgt. Slaughter: 64
42.) The Great Khali: 61
43.) Mankind: 47
44.) Christian: 30
45.) The Iron Sheik: 28
46.) Rob Van Dam: 22
47.) Ivan Koloff: 21
48.) Buddy Rogers: 18
49.) Stan Stasiak: 9
50.) Vince McMahon: 6
51.) Dolph Ziggler: 0
51.) André the Giant: 0
Punk is a lot higher up than you'd think!
And Daniel Bryan is about to overtake the master and ruler of the world!
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 10:56:00 AM
#195 |
I still say the Rocky montage one for the Long Island Raw was better but that was pretty well-done.
I wonder if they actually somehow super-elaborately timed Zack to call Eve's phone for her part in the episode, or if they went a simpler route and just had her change someone else in the other room's profile on her phone to "Zack Ryder" temporarily for the purposes of filming.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 10:32:00 AM
#185 |
The (unofficial) official list of who is inducting whom at the Hall of Fame:
* Edge – Inducted by Christian
* The Four Horsemen (Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Barry Windham and JJ Dillon) – Inducted by Dusty Rhodes
* Yokozuna – Inducted by Rikishi, Jimmy & Jey Uso
* Mil Mascaras – Inducted by Alberto Del Rio
* Ron Simmons – Inducted by John Bradshaw Layfield
* Mike Tyson – Inducted by Triple H and Shawn Michaels
I'm surprised they didn't get Austin to come in to induct Tyson, but supposedly he's not involved with WM weekend at all this year and will be watching from home.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/23/12 10:24:00 AM
#184 |
Well, the combined weights of the participants is heavier, if that's what he means.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 8:33:00 PM
#180 |
Well really the scarier thing is that next year when Bellator MMA moves to Spike, Angle has said he wants a fight on one of their cards.
That might just be the end of him. <_<
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 8:24:00 PM
#177 |
I'm gonna guess that it was some fluke accident in an amateur match because I don't think USUALLY amateur wrestling is very dangerous, outside of cauliflower ear.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 8:20:00 PM
#175 |
It's a break from stuff like neck and head trauma, and it ensures that he cannot use any drugs, so yes in that sense.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 8:17:00 PM
#173 |
Hey, it's a good thing.
Kurt Angle desperately needs some time away from pro wrestling, because he quite simply does not have a lower gear to shift into and his body is a wreck. If this is what it takes to get him away from taking bumps for a few months then he's better off for it whether he succeeds or he fails.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:57:00 PM
#170 |
Also to piggyback on your point about "Who can Aries realistically lose the title to now," the same can be said for Gail Kim.
She's beaten Velvet Sky
She's beaten Mickie James
She's beaten Tara
She's beaten ODB
She's beaten Madison Rayne
Do they need to turn Angelina face again?
Do they bring in Melissa?
Do they DARE sign Melina?
Anyone but EY.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:53:00 PM
#169 |
I guess Roode vs. Sting in one final blowoff after Roode gets done with Storm is a safe prediction.
Joe/Magnus vs. MCMG
Maybe Crimson takes the TV Title from Devon?
Aries has some stuff brewing on next week's taping that I won't spoil.
Angle is taking time off for the Olympics after Lockdown
No idea what anyone in the AJ/Daniels/Kaz thing is doing after that one inevitably ends in a triple threat.
Anderson, RVD, Morgan, Gunner, and Hardy will all just be floating around.
Bully Ray was the guy actually responsible for Abyss's disappearance so I assume there will be SOME blowoff there.
Hopefully Garrett Bischoff gets sent to OVW
Where is Pope?
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:42:00 PM
#167 |
Man, now that I think about it, the build from BFG to Lockdown has been predictable (in a good way), but here we are 4 weeks out from Lockdown and I have no idea where any of the major players are going post-PPV. I wonder if they'll just kinda "start from scratch" after Lockdown or if they've actually laid good groundwork under our noses for the two-month build to Slammiversary?
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:39:00 PM
#166 |
Oh whoops, yeah, Freudian Slip. <_<
Hey, Ric Flair is gonna have another HoF ring soon, maybe he can grab one of those for some more superpowers.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:37:00 PM
#164 |
I think it will be revealed that Chris Park is actually Abyss and that this was just a test to see if anyone truly cared about him enough to notice he was gone, and since no one seemingly has, he'll go heel again, maybe with an identity crisis?
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:34:00 PM
#162 |
Maybe they could just hope WWE releases Justin Gabriel soon for no reason.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:32:00 PM
#160 |
From: SmartMuffin | #159
It's been a good year since we've had a "random heavyweight guy becomes x-division champ for stupid reasons" angle right? Maybe they'll do that. Not quite! Abyss was only dethroned last July! <__< After that happened, they went in and declared that X-Division now had a weight limit anyway. Although that idea could very easily just go the way of the Top Ten Contender's Rankings if they get bored of it.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:29:00 PM
#158 |
Considering that they just ran an MCMG hype promo at the PPV, I assume very soon, but also I assume they'll be primarily in tags.
Sabin holds the record for longest combined length as X-Division Champion, so piggybacking on your idea yesterday, he would be the one stepping in to protect his record from being passed. That's like 4 months away though, if Aries holds it continuously.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:26:00 PM
#156 |
From: SmartMuffin | #154
I keep waiting for Amazing Red to appear during one of Aries' "I've beaten everyone and have no challengers remaining" promos. He's not under contract anywhere in the indies so it's quite feasible.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:24:00 PM
#155 |
And if they do do the BFG Series again, I'm gonna call the winner as...Magnus.
Although I hope Aries is in it so that we're guaranteed stuff like Aries vs. Joe and Aries vs. Daniels and Aries vs. Styles.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:21:00 PM
#153 |
Anyway, another option to end Crimson is to keep him undefeated until Slammiversary, bring back Amazing Red as a special anniversary guest, and have him beat his "brother" and then Crimson disappears forever.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:18:00 PM
#151 |
Hey, someone had to buy all that Smirnoff Ice they were using to "ice" Ric Flair with.
So in the end, the moral of the story is "hey, if we make people jump through 4 months worth of hoops just for one title shot (that any other time of year we just give away for no reason), and then when it happens it goes badly for them, they're gonna build up a lot of resentment."
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:14:00 PM
#149 |
Well the hastily constructed logic behind his heel turn was that he learned that keeping the title means doing whatever it takes from seeing Angle cheat his way to victory at BFG against him after 4 months of hard work.
Kinda flimsy considering that Roode has already BEEN a heel for long stretches of time, but hey, that was their reasoning.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:09:00 PM
#147 |
Think they'll do the Bound For Glory series again?
Or is there a kayfabe excuse not to, in the sense that "this concept resulted in the tyrannical reign of Bobby Roode so forget that!"
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 7:04:00 PM
#145 |
From: SmartMuffin | #142
It LOOKS like they're turning Crimson heel and feuding him with Morgan. One would HOPE Morgan goes over, but I'm not counting on it. On the contrary, I think if you want to milk every last drop you can out of Crimson, you keep him undefeated until he runs into TNA Champion James Storm at a PPV, and have Storm end it.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 12:45:00 PM
#139 |
The problem is that "he's undefeated" is really the only thing Crimson has going for him. Take that away and he's just a smaller ginger Rob Terry.
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 12:08:00 PM
#134 |
Survivor Series 1987
And also Royal Rumble 1989
EDIT: He was never pinned or submitted in either of those losses though. It's a Crimson-style "never been PERSONALLY defeated" streak.
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JaKyL25
03/22/12 11:30:00 AM
#129 |
http://www.smvod.com/chikaraSmart Mark Video on Demand has launched, and now every CHIKARA show since the start of 2010 is available for instant streaming for the low, low price of $10 each!
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| Topic | All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 179: Where Superman gets hit by a car |
JaKyL25
03/22/12 11:15:00 AM
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JaKyL25
03/22/12 10:32:00 AM
#124 |
I was checking out the attractions for AXXESS (http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/28/axxess-attractions) and this one amused me: Cenation Action Zone – NEW FOR 2012! Visit the CeNation for fun, interactive opportunities to show your hustle, loyalty and respect. Test your trivia knowledge for your chance to win great prizes! Plus, record your own Cena-inspired entrance music, pose for the camera at the Cena vs. Rock photo shoot, climb the "Rise Above Hate" rock wall and more!How exactly does one interactively show their loyalty or respect? And LOL @ the rock wall.
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