Lurker > NoMeLx22x

Extremely positive on the students

Extremely negative on how mainstream media is portraying the students

Can you explain then, why people insist on chanting the phrase that is used this way by Hamas, and not any other slogan in the world? Like ok, sure, that is what it means, but if there is this confusion, why are they insisting on this phrase defiantly?

I think the general meaning is that Palestinians are fighting for the day they can move freely and have agency from the river to the sea. This phrase is not a call for genocide, and to believe that it is says more about you than the people chanting the phrase.

Wow conspiracy much? Go back to Reddit.

Will you take a time machine and go back to the Civil Rights movement to tell then that.

Or how about the Industrial Revolution? Were they wrong as well?

@NoMeLx22x
Your argument is basically demonstrating you don't know how to protest effectively to begin with. You are misconstrueding "Hey, how about not destroying property so the protest doesn't draw in the wrong attention like you know, the authorities. For you to then act surprised destroying of property tends to bring in the authorities to forcefully stop it" to....... "all protests are bad."

All they are doing by storming the building and breaking property is providing low hanging fruit for Newsmax, Fox and the likes to point at them every time Jan6ers are brought up.

What you are protesting becomes background noise, because to no surprise the new topic of discussion becomes about the obvious of the authorities being called to shut it down and violent protestors not cooperating.

The message of the protest gets lost tends to resonate with those who already supported it. You also may not like hearing this, it also hurts those support your cause.

Storming a building and breaking property is not shining move to do.

All its doing is asking for the authorities to get involved, and providing low hanging fruit for those to vilify your entire cause.

It's also insane to act surprised when the authorities get involved, after you start damaging property or storming into property you were told to leave.

Condemnation of how these people are deciding to shoot themselves in the foot in what they call protesting =/= all protesting is bad.

"why can't these people protest quietly so we can ignore it and go about our business?" ~ everyone who doesn't understand protesting

If you're an activist who aims to persuade others and spread your message, you absolutely should control your speech and listen to criticisms.

Israel tends to use the phrase as well if I remember correctly. Israeli anti-Semitic claims about the word, in an attempt to silence people,hasn't made the whole situation any better

Peaceful protests on public property are protected by the first amendment, but if you start hurting peope or breaking into other people's property your doing things wrong.

I'm talking about basically all this history, and the formation of Isreal: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

The US under Hoover thought we should be meddling in the middle east because Hoover was a moron, but nobody ever argued the point so we still do it to this day. The end of WWII signal led us becoming the world police, another deal that was bad for us, so that's what we have done to this day. So what you end up with is America fucked with the Palestine / Isreal stuff because it's always been our fault from the moment we began meddling. As far as I'm concerned opinionated students can mind their own fucking business or get a life, we are too heavily entrenched now as the world police to have any say on how we divorce ourselves from the middle east entirely. If people happen to be Muslim or Jewish or have some connection to those countries I can sympathize, and I wish we could get out of the mess but we can't. It's the long version of the War on Terror.

Arcanine you can consider this my rebuttal to your argument as well. Israel is a pro-slavery dictatorship and Hamas is a terrorist organization claiming they are helping misplaced Jews claim back their holy land. I don't see much good on either side, but indeed there are thousands of victims.

Oh they get heard, but breaking into buildings to shut down colleges to demand said colleges break ties with Jewish pepole, while not quite reaching a Kristallnacht level yet, having so many fanatically demanding Jewish ties be broken is starting to leave a very hostile impression .

We have an ancient pact with Israel that we have to honor,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/04/30/columbia-university-protests-palestine-news/

Well...this won't end well...but seriously...do they really think raiding a college building is going to cause American policy on Israel to change?

Its getting out-there that there is more protest for Gaza then the Iraq war...its getting kind of fanatical at this point and raiding random buildings to demand any random person stops funding Israel is getting...next level something or another.

i dont disagree with most of this, but are you implying meek mill won his beef with drake? Think what you want about drake but meek mill got thrashed in that one

The right to peaceful protest is literally a cornerstone of this countrys foundation and any politician decrying it is an enemy regardless of political affiliation.

He's criticizing a specific part of the protest. He's not saying protesting is bad.

I said what I said. It's probably a bad idea to break into a building in the name of the protest because it makes it seem forceful and rowdy, whether it's true or not.

I mean, he's right. Probably a bad move to break windows and force themselves into the building

Larry Hogan.

The left don't have the stones to do anything. They'll just have a pout about it. The right tend to be lacking a lot upstairs but they're at least packing downstairs. They may be totally wrong about something but by God they'll do something. The left won't even bother going to the polls if the guy they wanted didn't end up on the ballot.

Not necessarily itt but yea there are people in this movement that are definitely in support of hamas. I dont know why we need to deny that.

This feels like his breakup album and he's rapping about fucking bitches and gangsta shit.

Yeah I think once CE is nuked along with sports boards, I'm out of here.

To close the religion board is stupid and unnecessary, I'm not a religious person BUT that doesn't mean I'm against it having its own board.

The sad thing all 3 of those QBs don't seem to be franchise players.

I thought they stopped pigs from using neck kneeling techniques

I don't think of Nancy Pelosi when Neo-Liberalism is brought up.

I don't know what the percentage is, but a lot of the ones who engage in this insist that the 10/7 massacre is fake news.

Anyone claiming that should be assumed to be operating in bad faith at this point.

Agreed. There's no way it has anything to do with the thing they liked being changed to the point of being unrecognizable.

A ton of SJP chapters were posting unhinged shit immediately following oct 7. Its not hard to find.

I can only speak for myself, but it annoys me because of how much Fallout just perpetuates bad myths about just how bad nuclear stuff is.

Because unless there is some lore I am missing from just watching people play the games, the world is still mostly a brown wasteland over a hundred years after the nukes fell. Even Chernobyl basically became a wildlife paradise less than 20 years afterwards since it is apparently more detrimental to wildlife to have humans nearby than it is to be in an area made radioactive by the worst single nuclear release in history. The ones that take place in what used to be a desert like Vegas have an excuse because its still a desert.

Also, why have humans literally not rebuilt even 1600s level housing, and still live in the open-to-the-air, bombed out ruins from pre-war like a century after it happened? Although that one is probably just Bethesda being lazy.

And that is exactly what I meant in my previous post. It's one thing - and totally legit and rightful! - to pray for Palestine civilians and condemn what Netanyahu and his regime is doing in Gaza. But it's not okay to delegitimize the terrorism on oct 7, to legitimize Hamas, or generally spread hate of Jews at the same time. But this stance can be seen from many participants of these pro-Palestine protest movements, unfortunately. I find that worrying.