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UltimaterializerX posted...

You cant copy paste it all in topic either? Lame.

I can do that, it was just a no to using the export site I asked to use

I will be happy to provide whatever is needed though. I could even copy paste the slow way. Any specific nights?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Anyways my action doesn't really affect anything so I can say that I gave my love to Ben last night.
Action was successful etc. It'll be interesting to see if he got it or not

Yes I received it

Host says its not allowed, that's its abusing the previous host allowance, which was that I could copy and paste.

Hell yeah! Let me see if I can use a third party tool to export them when I get home.

Ohhh boy. This is interesting.

ctesjbuvf posted...

The times I recall Ben being scum Kirby weren't particularly on to him. He did think with huge confidence Ben was scum when I hosted, but he wasn't.

This Kirby totally can read scum Ben day 1 is just blatantly false.

Maybe not immediately day 1, but definitely quick enough to bring my demise. I'm thinking of Pokemon Star Wars and Paper Mario mafia. In Tekken he did think i was scum, but he was scum that game. And i was baiting him

##Unvote
##Vote: MI

Though this does confirm MI really wants Ctes dead

Actually never mind, Ctes cant vote at all. That's the only reason he's not voting me right now.

Uneasy alliance?

##Unvote
##Vote: Ctes

I still think MI is the right choice >_>

And i also dont know if they are aligned at this point. That makes this especially difficult

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Because I think you are scum and I would prefer to lynch you over the two others.

I've said this I don't know how many times.

Kirby knows how to read me more than anyone. He absolutely eviscerated me on day 1 the last TWO times i was scum. You should be listening to him, but whatver

FD, why aren't you voting MI?

Oh jeez, MI can just vote me and tie it still. Can we just get that out of the way now?

>_>

Though if no one is here to break the tie I will vote Ctes

Ulti sounds like he needs some love tonight

Kirby321 posted...

It would be comically embarrassing to start a special on Blade just for us to completely turbo off a cliff if he ends up being town. That would be... incredibly bad.

And yet, I feel way better about lynching Blade than I do MI. (Or Ctes or especially Ben, for that matter)

Somebody talk me out of this because I just might put my vote on Blade.

Just vote MI. We cant believe in insane scum gambit theories unless MI is town, and there is no reason to believe he is over the players who have actual evidence pointing to town.

Can scum even afford to no kill is there is a risk that Kirby blocks a scum member? Like yeah, he blocked Death so it didnt matter, but it could just as easily make one of their own look bad with the no kill yesterday

Kirby321 posted...

Gonna be honest. If there's one person I'd choose to lynch right now completely disregarding roles, it would be Blade.

I don't know if anyone agrees with me, nor do I know if anyone else would be willing to share the shame if Blade indeed flips Doctor... but Blade just feels like the correct answer. Especially given how disorienting this game has been and how inexplicable the scum night actions have been (that we know of at least).

Vanishing Lopen? Killing Isquen and SBell? Bus Driving Ctes and Red? None of those seem optimal in the slightest. I feel like scum doesn't make those decisions unless they know they can hide within the chaos well enough to escape suspicion.

If I'm being honest I don't like that Blade doesn't read the whole game. Feels disingenuous to play that way. But that could just be something he does as town too.

Kirby321 posted...

I agree with you that evidence points to Ulti being town.

The more MI and Ctes keep talking, the more I keep doubting and going back and forth on whether they're scum or not. Something just doesn't feel right about either of their lynches, and yet I don't have any easy answers.

Logically speaking, lynching MI clears doubts of whether scum was hiding in Vanilla or not. But then that raises the question of: how does that benefit us?

One crackpot theory I've had is that Ctes and IGCD's vig shots were designed around each other, with Ctes' being the town counterpart to IGCD's scum counterpart.

I feel like this is one situation where I'd be grateful to have Lopen alive to say stuff, because I feel like the correct answer is something so out there that none of us could conceivably think of it.

I just get the vibe that Ctes and MI are genuinely fighting to solve the game when town seems deaf to their pleas. That's not to say they aren't scum, but it feels like they're trying way too hard in a situation where they'd be on their back foot. My intuition is telling me that there's scum in the people sitting back and deliberately not engaging with the game.

IGCD being scum requires Blade being scum though, right?

TotallyNotMI posted...

Blade is already on ctes

Oh, never mind, for some reason I thought Ulti still had two votes but thats ME

Kirby321 posted...

Well okay counterpoint: if you need at least two, who is MI's scum partner?

Ctes or FD, with a very distant chance of Chang that I can only accept defeat if he;s evil Jeff

If Blade thinks Ulti and Ctes are a scum team, he must know by now Ulti is not getting enough votes, right? So isnt that a vote for Ctes in waiting?

Kirby what do you think? I'm still committed to the idea of letting Ctes try to prove himself so that sorting out the power claims is easier moving forward, and MI is just massive POE. I'm really bad at proving people are scum though

And I've already said I'd sooner believe Ulti is town than even believe Blade is town. Besides just posts he's made and scum have made about him, the redirect could also have only been used to mess with Ulti

I could kill Ctes, I just don't think its the wisest and safest play. I really refuse to believe in a world MI is town here. Can ANYONE tell me who the hell can be scum if MI is town?? I need at least two.

Kirby321 posted...

Uh... I'm not sure what you mean by this. Care to clarify?

Blade has been saying Ulti and Ctes are a scum team and MI has latched onto that today

TotallyNotMI posted...

I kind of can't imagine thinking me/ctes are on a team together rn

How so? If the two of you are scum it would be a great way to set up Ulti as the lynch tomorrow.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ben does my perfect godfather theory make sense?

That Blade is scum godfather right? It would require a couple things that I find impossible to accept. Lopen would have had to have been doctor (because one jailkeeper is not enough protecc), scum would have had to no kill last night willingly, Blade would have to have an ability that he knew was not role blocked, in addition to Godfather, because of how he reacted to Corrik's claim. The whole reaction to that in general tracks very well with Town Doctor

ctesjbuvf posted...

Yeah, I'm probably bad at grasping him because I have burned my hands on going hard after town Ulti before for similar reasons to this game.

I really liked the case I built day 3 but the redirection just... doesn't make sense.

I've yet to be wrong about town Ulti though!

Great, why do I feel like I'm in a scum team of Ulti/Ctes/Ben strongarming the lynch now, even though I'm not lol

UltimaterializerX posted...

Youre the third party, arent you

No. If anyone is third party I still think it has to be Ctes. Would explain why his role is so weird and why his flavor doesn't match at all. No scum team to help him with show knowledge

MI was the first one to say that there's too many vanillas after Peaf and Red claimed. At the time I town read him for that because the conviction was strong. But he must have just been trying to get ahead of it. Like, for MI to be scum he has to be pretty damn good at it. But I'm accepting of that now because everyone else has much more going for them being town

ctesjbuvf posted...

I haven't even been one to suggest I could confirm myself if I got the double vote. Ben was. You agreed to yourself Kirby. Just right now.

Then vote me for agreeing to that while adding that scum would want to mislynch me before the thing you yourself said was confirmable potentially happened.

Yeah, this is why I prefer MI now. I can't imagine all of the scum claimed semi confirmable power. Give Ctes another chance to win the double vote.

Kirby321 posted...

I really don't think it's Ben. But I won't stop a Ben lynch if it happens.

My thoughts are currently 100% invested in trying to figure out who I need to jail tonight. So I'll accommodate to whoever you guys lynch. I already blown all my confidence on the Death shot

Yeah and I can get the result of your roleblock tonight if scum kill you. So please don't support my lynch >_>

TotallyNotMI posted...

Tons of people piled on Knightz, myself included, very early. I remember early on D1 saying to him 'don't feel bad, rolling scum is hard'.

And, like I just said, Ulti might have been involved on the Knightz push, but Ulti isn't above bussing and Ulti tried hard to get me lynched instead of Knightz EOD. I don't believe Ulti's excuse of 'that was never really going to happen'.

But basically if you're going to clear Ulti based on how he treated Knightz, I honestly feel I deserve the same treatment. So if you're going to lynch me today you can't clear him based on that!

Oh sorry, new topic. I agree that Ulti can't be cleared based on how he treated knightz. I'm clearing him based on how Knightz reacted to him. It scared him enough to claim.

And I also think the Wallz post where he provides a fake read on Ulti and says Ulti is either power or scum can't be scum/scum

TotallyNotMI posted...

Tons of people piled on Knightz, myself included, very early. I remember early on D1 saying to him 'don't feel bad, rolling scum is hard'.

And, like I just said, Ulti might have been involved on the Knightz push, but Ulti isn't above bussing and Ulti tried hard to get me lynched instead of Knightz EOD. I don't believe Ulti's excuse of 'that was never really going to happen'.

I agree the first post I pulled up was weaker, but what about Knightz' reaction to Ulti that caused him to claim in the first place? And Wallz' post saying Ulti is power

Both of you (MI And Blade) are saying Ulti is scum. Do you have anything to say about the posts I pulled up last night?

All that my reevaluating is telling me is once again what I started the day saying, that I can't imagine MI not being scum in any remaining configuration. With Ctes being the most likely of the power claims to be scum

##Vote: MI

By that I mean, as evidenced by my behavior with using my role last game. Not trying to say I did the right thing last game, just that it's how I acted

As usual we just don't agree how to use the role I guess. I still don't under stand how its optimal to play it the way you propose. That sounds like it introduces just as many or more nebulous factors to the role that won't prove anything except end with me trying to get myself killed. And I don't think me dying is great for town clearly as evidenced by last game

Scum always uses the strong man early. Yeah my plan is based on hopefully getting lucky and not getting shot early, because if that happens then yeah, there's no plan to be had at all, and no info to get from my death. But I've gotta go for it

I am just now realizing how funny it is and likely very disheartening to FD that I actually said I should play it like body guard last game lol. I really did learn nothing

Forceful_Dragon posted...

It's also worth reminding that when it was time to full claim he attempted to lie about his claim, multiple times. Not only did he tell his neighbors to not say anything when he claimed vanilla, but he put them through some weird exercise of reciting something so he could "be bulletproof". Something he first said was true and then walked back after it justifiably made him suspicious. The justification for "tricking them into thinking he was bulletproof" still doesn't make sense.

Yes it does. It accomplishes so many things. If I neighbor scum I get to test their reaction to having to make me bulletproof. (AKA, what if they refuse or hesitate), and also makes them not shoot me. And then if I ever get shot naturally by scum it means that none of the people I neighbored thought that I was bulletproof. That's why I had to "trick them" so that it was convincing. And since my goal this game was to play the role like when I was Chrom in Fire Emblem mafia, I wanted to aim to only pull in town. My death would confirm them if we all stayed silent about it.

I even said as much to Chang on night 1 when I came up with this plan.

1. Overnight I realized the best way to use my role
2. So many neighbors claim it quickly as a way to "soft-confirm" themselves. I will need to play this like bodyguard last game and keep it a complete secret as long as possible
3. 
   
4. The ideal scenario is that I claim vanilla, make it far enough in the game where if we do ever have a cop or investigation role who has claimed and is obviously dying at night, I neighbor them to get one more scan off
5. 
   
6. Since you're able to town clear yourself I wont even need to hint that I have any exra reasons to think you are town, besides the day 1 feeling
7. FlykicksFTW
8. 05/02/2024 10:48 AM
9. And then I just aim to neighbor fellow town on subsequent nights so that my secret doesn't get out. Probably going this route instead of using it to interrogate people I dont like

Never mind, its not even letting me copy/paste right now without copying each individual line, and I dont have time for that. I sincerely think it would make both of us look better lol

Never mind, I forgot there was no kill night 1. For all we know Wallz could have been aiming for Chang at my behest and gotten blocked. >_>

Well I will post our chat anyway

Yo wait a minute.

Shameless defense of myself here. But if you believe Chang is town, you pretty much have to believe I am town. Chang told me about his role on night 1, which not only could take control of the lynch, but leaves him basically confirmed town. Why would scum not want to take Chang out night 1 if I had that information? No way he was getting doctor saved, because no one else knew about his role.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

And where have you been? You still have the most votes, how do you feel about Wallz and Chang?

ItzKnightz posted...

I have been doing my shchoolwork for the day
Wallz feels like town
Chang feels like overconfident scum

Chang town. It really is that easy huh

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Except I was the one who pressed him on flavor justification which turned Knightz flub into a full on rout. Ulti prompted the claim, sure, but I attacked it's validity.

I was going to get to that next, and I've mentioned before that this post is a good look for you

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Knightz, without quoting, does your role pm explain WHY Luis Guzman is a vanilla, rather than having powers?

Now that I have to be extra careful with clears though, I dont think its as solid as what Ulti did which got a telling reaction out of Knightz and caused the bad situation he was now in. Now that he has already committed to claiming a flavor, anyone could have asked the question you asked because it would have been on the back of everyone's minds at that point. Better to get ahead of it then ignore it if you were scum.

Oh my god, sorry, I try to look for FD and the side of my eye catches another post about Ulti.

wallmasterz posted...

Ulti is most likely town. He said he doesnt know the flavor, but hes clearly engaged in the game and seems energized. This means he likes his role. Not vanilla. He would need to like the flavor to get pumped up like this while vanilla.

Ulti could also be a fun scum role. But despite him being wrong at least in part, I like how he came out the gates.

Bruh. No scum calls out their own scummate to say that they are not vanilla. This is a messy post from Wallz in the first place with information he's seeing about Ulti that doesn't need to be said, but there is no reason for a scummate to lock their own team member into a non vanilla claim.

I'm at the point I'd sooner believe Blade is lying and didnt kill anyone last night than I'd believe Ulti is scum (I am not ready to believe that either)

UltimaterializerX posted...

They both fall into the category of sending messages at night. If I had either role, Id counterclaim the other. Its bizarre this never happened.

I dont find them similar, plus they are both "provable" so there was not really anything to doubt.

That said, I'll look at FD next. Pierce could just be a bad guy. He is a bad guy in the show, very often plays the villain in the story and in the group. Like in the DND episode, Paintball episode, etc.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/eaa7c2dc.jpg

He is directly responding to Ulti's vote when he claims. A claim that he was not ready for, and the scum team did not have ready to go for him

These two cannot be aligned. I'm moving on to another person, because I think I've proven my point

Went back digging and reminding myself and everyone else that Ulti really is the first one to go after Knightz at all. And he's the reason that Knightz get stressed out enough to claim Luis Guzman before having his flavor prepared.

And does this really sound like Ulti talking to a scummate?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Why are you scared though?

Like, shit happens. Sometimes you get shot, or scanned guilty, or mislynched. Why would that bother you?

I ask this because I was convinced you were scum last endgame, based on some very bad logic on my part, and you very easily tossed my arguments aside because a) it was an invalid argument and b) you were town power with a proven role.

So why are you scared this game? It cant be because youre town power, because I just watched you toss that aside less than a week ago. Theres a different reason and Id like to know what that reason is.

UltimaterializerX posted...

##Unvote
##Vote: Knight

No hard feelings, ok? Youre clearly a really good kid and just got very unlucky this game. But hey, shit happens. We all have bad scum games when we first start playing.

Go read Newbie Mafia, uh 8? 9? The one where I claimed miller actor. It was a disaster.