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KogaSteelfang posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80729448

Just looking at the poll should be proof enough, but you can read the comments too.

Besides, I'm not looking for anything at work. I'm just trying to show that I don't think others can see how damaged I am as easily as you think. There's no real reason that I should be such a failure.

Here I am, genuinely caring about the people around me, and seeing that I just don't matter to anyone. Why should I put in even more effort just to be shunned still?

I don't know what it is. There's literally just an utter and entire lack of interest in me. That's it. I'm hurt that it is that way, and then I get blamed for feeling that way.

Youre getting blamed for feeling that way because its incorrect. Theres no such thing. Youre making it up in your head to explain away something that has other causes. And youre being told explicitly what to do about it, right now, by me, and youve basically completely ignored it. See a therapist.

KogaSteelfang posted...

How can they if they never interact with me? Then when they do I'm friendly, helpful, and kind? Everyone I interact with regularly likes me(except dad, but that's a whole other thing).

I get told by guests at work that they enjoy talking with me, and that I'm very welcoming and approachable. All my coworkers like me, and I've been told by management several times that I'm the go to person they want to deal with people due to my friendliness. The thing is, despite all that none of them have ever taken the time to get to know me. When I try to talk, I get cut off and and interrupted. No one cares about me, or who I am. I'm just a tool to be used.

I really doubt that every person perception is so sharp that they can see through all of that directly to my internalized damage at a glance without ever interacting with me. I'm sure some probably are, bug I work with the public. I can see how unintuitive most people are.

I can see how they might figure it if they did try to get to know me, and how they might be put off by that, but they don't.

Your problem is that youre at work. Guests and coworkers arent going to try to get to know you. Its a job.

beyond that, you have to try as well. If everyone you interact with likes you, then theres clearly some other issue, and it may be that youre only interacting on a surface level and expecting them to intuit you want friendship. I cant say for certain, I dont know the details of whats going on. But I can tell you that its not whatever youre claiming it is, where the world just hates you for no reason. There is something you need to and CAN do differently.

the best way to figure out what that is? Find a good therapist. Not gamefaqs posters.

KogaSteelfang posted...

I don't want a relationship to use as therapy. I want to be happy, and I feel that if I can find some form of success that my line of thinking would naturally shift to match the situation.

And they can measure how distant I am, and judge me as unworthy how? By never taking the time to talk with me? By ignoring my existence until they need something?

I'm fully aware that me being so closed off could be a big problem in a situation where someone did want to be close. I mean, they'd just have to give me some time, but I do see where someone might mind. But I don't see how it matters much when there's no one.

Yes, people can pretty easily measure your attitude and emotional immaturity. Theres not no one. See a therapist. Thats literally the first step.

A success isnt going to magically change your thinking.

KogaSteelfang posted...

*Is treated like trash. Is talked to like trash. Is looked down upon as trash. Is told he's trash.*
"Well, it's your fault for feeling like trash."
I honestly feel like I could turn this around if I had someone caring and encouraging in my life. I don't though, so I'm just looking at things for how they are.

I'm emotionally distant, sure. But that shouldn't stop people from trying to get to know me better. I'm generally well liked and respected, it's just no one really cares about me beyond surface level stuff. No one's ever tried to get close to me or anything like that. Not in real life anyway, I've had people reach out on gamefaqs plenty of times, and had a few friendships form that way, but they don't last.

With my trauma and anxieties, I'm keenly aware of how behave around me. I'm very good at reading people and recognizing how they feel.

There's only been a few times that I didn't recognize what I was seeing, and those were the times I thought people may have been showing interest and I got shot down pretty harshly.

IDK how you guys can say I'm wrong for saying it feels hopeless, and that I have a better chance than I think and to not blame myself... Just to turn around and say I don't have much of a chance and that I'm the problem.

I didnt say you dont have much of a chance. I said you need to get some therapy. You have a chance as long as you actually do the work, instead of being hopeless. Which is what I keep telling you. I didnt say dont blame yourself. I said blame yourself in a constructive way. Acting like its some unstoppable quality of reality is not helpful.

You are the problem. You can do better, and then you wont be the problem. Seriously; see a therapist. Everyone should see a therapist. You want someone caring and encouraging to help you turn things around? Thats what a therapist is for. Relationships are not therapy. Women are not your therapists.

Being emotionally distant is the problem. That actually does mean people wont want to get to know you, and thats reasonable. Your trauma and anxieties need to be worked through. With a therapist.

You absolutely have a chance, as long as you stop moping around about how you have no chance and doing nothing to change.

Newhopes posted...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888

Ya...

You that.. that proves my point. Are you okay?

Newhopes posted...

Thats extactly what it is.

Discrimination masquerading as compassion.

Nope. Its actively working against an oppressive system. Its proven by actual research that if you dont make an active effort towards diversity, white people just keep being the only ones who get hired.

Newhopes posted...

Because is isn't diverse, equal or inclusionary it a movement championed by white saviours and is frankly at best discrimination and at it worst racist segregationists, all they see is the colour of somebodies skin and not the person.

The whole movement is virtue signalling bs and frankly it disgusts me.

Oh, so you have zero idea what youre talking about, got it.

Think of it this way. Gravity exists. We all agree on that, right? Now, weve all decided we dont want to be stuck on the ground. Everyone else has said well we have to push up then, use our muscles to jump, build ladders and climb them, build planes and fly.

and then youre over here going why are you guys doing all that? Just lay on the ground and itll work itself out.

White supremacy is built into our institutions. Racism is systemic. You have to actively work to counter-act it, or things return to the default. You are advocating for not actively working to counter-act it, calling that action racism. That means you are advocating for a return to the actually racist default. We can only hope youre just ignorant, and not doing it on purpose.

Newhopes posted...

The so called Diversity Equity and Inclusion bullshit.

What is so called about it, exactly?

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I found your posts pretty damn rude and accusatory and felt the need to explain myself tbh

Your explanation did not change anything I said.

KogaSteelfang posted...

Nah... I've seen it happen enough. Anyone else can attract someone just by existing. They'll have opportunities and connections with people that then evolve into something more. They don't need to change who they are, or put on shows. Even if they're unattractive and have a nasty personality. Just being themselves is good enough, and I'm just not good enough. That's all there is to it really.

There's just something inherently undesirable about me. I don't know what it is, but everyone else can see it. It's like they just naturally reject the idea that I could be a potential partner.

You don't end up a friendless, loveless, 40 year old virgin if you have options.

Even without comparing to anyone else, I'm disappointed with myself. Then I see all the success everyone has, and I want that too. I don't need some rich super model, I just want someone to care about me. I want to be loved, and to be wanted.

I'm just not capable of inspiring that in others I guess. The worst part is that it proved my dad right. He always said no one would ever love me, and here we are.

Yeah no, the issue here is pretty clearly your attitude and the fact you definitely need to go to therapy to deal with your issues with your self-image and your father.

Guide posted...

I mean, you can have those without all the baggage of prior romance.

Correct, but to claim its pointless to speak to your exes? Makes it seem like you think they only matter as long as theyre fucking you, or whatever.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Did you read the rest of my posts?

Tbh dude I was very, very tactful and careful with what I said around her. I was also pretty healthy in my approach to her being indian, making sure not to completey ignore it and risk coming across as "I don't see colour" or talk about it too much and risk fetishising her(I find indian women beautiful so this was a genuine concern lol)

And it was more about realising she didn't have to/want to give me the same respect.

Seems like youre hung up on an ex being shitty to you. Not sure what that has to do with basically anything else going on in this topic.

FortuneCookie posted...

That poster is privileged, sure.

But they don't have to bite their tongue and be someone else's pincushion simply for having the same skin color as the villains who orchestrated social inequality in our hemisphere. "I know you're not personally responsible, but shut up and let me blame you," is never a good argument

Where is this individual being blamed for anything? White people who dont bother to make efforts to help push back against systemic racism ARE at fault. Everyone that doesnt apply to? They arent getting blamed for shit. You know that evil virtue signaling everyone is always yelling about? The people doing that (I.e being allies) are the ones not getting blamed.

attributing social inequality to some nebulous and specific villains is part of the problem. The problem is white people who continue to perpetuate the systemic inequality. If that doesnt apply to you, you arent part of the problem and you dont need to fucking whine about the ones who are being called out.

BaphometFlux posted...

Nope , I find being friends with your ex to be pointless , so after we broke up we cut ties and never speak to each other again.

Whats pointless about having people you care about in your life, friends that you arent romantically involved with?

KogaSteelfang posted...

I know, and it shows they're more desirable than I am. I've seen unattractive people be happily married, same with people with hideous attitudes.

I'll be totally honest here. I've asked out 1 person, and she said yes. It never actually happened due to unfortunate timing with Covid hitting USA at the same time.

But there are other ways to be rejected rather than me having to ask them.

This is really depressing me, and it's late. I'm going to bed. If you have any more questions I'll answer tomorrow.

only advice I can give you is: its not the fault of other people, or some cosmic force hell bent on harming you. It COULD be sheer bad luck; in the end, relationships are a matter of change, even though you can stack the deck in your favor.

There is something you can be doing to stack that deck, you just need to identify what it is. Those people you say are more desirable than you are more desirable because theyve done the work to be more desirable.

Glob posted...

I tend to just cut them out of my life as much as humanly possible. One of my co-workers thinks thats weird and is friends with most of her exes.

How about you?

Its pretty weird to cut someone you care about out of your life because your romantic relationship didnt work out, unless they were toxic or some other issue is at play.

I see my most recent ex once a month as we navigate moving on from a 4 year relationship. We planned to get married. Didnt work out. Losing her from my life entirely would hurt.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

And I guess people are fed up with having to put up with it with a smile because we deserve it or whatever

I've dated a POC, sat through "oh white people" style comments(with this girl specifically it was about my inability to handle spicy food) and just tried to stifle any instinctive negative emotions felt by it

It feels lame as fuck getting on this soapbox, I'm fully aware I live a privileged life, but racial prejudice is racial prejudice

It is lame as fuck getting on this soapbox. You live a privileged life and have to feel mildly uncomfortable when people say things rooted in truth. Oh wow you dated one (1) POC and they said you cant handle spicy food and you had to STIFLE NEGATIVE FEELINGS? (Which is already like.. come on dude.)

You know what black people are fed up with? Actual oppression. Being shot and murdered. Being ignored by doctors and treated like lesser beings. Constant, endless racism. Being paid less. Voter suppression. Yall will survive someone making fun of white people tacos on Twitter.

of course if I say anything about the fragility of any particular group here Ill get ten more of you complaining about being oppressed.

Humble_Novice posted...

I want to at least give this woman the benefit of the doubt. So far, she's been rather civil after this whole debacle started.

Making fun of white people and saying white people shit and so on is such a huge part of several non-white cultures in America that its insane so many people are acting like shes racist for any of these tweets. Im not going to get into a whole thing about punching up, punching down, and systems of power and oppression, but Ive been rolling my eyes through this whole thing.

ryudo500 posted...

God I miss her I with I could rewind the clock

Bro, you need to see a therapist, learn some emotional intelligence and how to cope with loss in a healthy way, because this aint it.

josifrees posted...

Her dress makes them look lopsided lol

Most peoples breasts are lopsided. Touch grass

MarthGoomba posted...

Why would I care about trolls that insult me over such insignificant comments and jokes about video games

People say I need to touch grass, but... jfc

Again, Im pretty sure the only actual insult here has been from you to me, unless you count me pointing out a tag from the past. Otherwise Ive been commenting on what youve said and pointing out how you look. You could say me accurately stating youre making yourself look silly is an insult, I guess. Then again, apparently saying Im pissy isnt, so Im pretty sure I havent insulted you once by your standards. Valid!

The fake moral high ground is super funny though, please continue, guy who definitely insults people over videogames all the time.

And you managed to subtly slide in an Im just joking despite the fact Im fairly certain you havent been joking even once this entire time. Meaning you hit on one of the two things I added in later that I said youd do! Good job team. I think that just leaves one left until you do literally every single thing I said you would: the route where you stop talking and slink away, and you get the true end you mentioned earlier!

MarthGoomba posted...

If you have to declare it, you are not

The only reason I have to declare it is because youre such a silly little guy you refuse to admit it even by just walking away. Its akin to me having to tell you the sky is blue. Everyone else has been laughing at you. Two of the last four posts that arent from me are people making fun of you, and the others are ignoring you. This isnt healthy for you, man. Negative attention isnt good attention.

MarthGoomba posted...

You are the only one that cares about there being a "winner" and a "loser" here

Clearly! Thats why you keep replying. Because you dont care at all.

I, on the other hand am not claiming not to care. Ive already stated my goal: to refute your incorrect statements about videogame pricing, basic math, the poverty limit, and standard logic, with a secondary aim of making you look silly. I am succeeding. Whats your goal, exactly, in repeatedly responding in increasingly meaningless and nonsensical ways?

(you dont have to answer, I already know its an attempt to quiet the cognitive dissonance and salve your ego by feeling like you got me. I keep trying to warn you thats not going to work, because youre not very good at it.)

wanderingshade posted...

I mean, another alternative is they're actually the ringmaster in a haunted circus and you spend your entire life as a mute mime because they cursed you into permanent silence.

I'm just, unhelpfully, pointing out someone could say yes and then abuse you.

Well at least you know its unhelpful.

MarthGoomba posted...

Take your own advice

no u

It always boils down to this in the end, huh?

Let me try to explain this to you. I am the one making fun of you. You are the one flailing around while I repeatedly dismantle every ridiculous thing you say and generally laugh at you. Going no u when I kindly give you another chance to cut your losses doesnt it doesnt work. You know that right? You have to know that. You really just shouldnt respond to this. There is literally nothing you can say that is going to end in you somehow getting a win or whatever your goal here is.

MarthGoomba posted...

Because they're numbers from a place I don't live in, and I don't understand the need to argue over everything

You just keep going on and on about shit that doesn't matter, and I don't care about any of this

Bud if theyre from a place you dont live in, its very likely the poverty line is lower where you are. But of course, youre not going to give even a country, because you know youll be proven wrong.

ooh you got me. I forget to include the actually I dont even care at all about this thing Ive been arguing about for an hour or Im just trolling routes. Im so ashamed of myself.

Less ashamed than you should be that you so clearly tried to deflect from the fact you lied about me doing nothing but insult you, but still.

You just keep going on and on about shit that doesnt matter. Given all Ive done is respond directly to your own claims about your topic, thats quite an admission that nothing you are saying matters.

(my guy you really should have taken my advice about just shutting up, there is zero way out of looking foolish here. Not that you seem to care about that.)

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Yes. I met my current partner on Tinder about 6 months ago. Im talking to someone I met on Feeld right now, and someone else I met on Bumble. I dont subscribe to any of them.

Dudebusters posted...

Isn't TC the guy who kept claiming he was a "game developer" and that it was "so easy" to implement features in games based on whatever daily grievance he had?

ohhhh THATS why I tagged him! What a silly little guy.

MarthGoomba posted...

That's not an insult, and all you've done is insult me

Boo. Weve gone back to just say demonstrably untrue things. Youre repeating yourself.

Everyone can see Ive done far more than insult you. Including providing lists of games and accurate poverty line numbers you ignored after you lied about your finances, and doing basic math for you. It is objective fact I did those things, silly! The only real insult was when I told you what your tag says, and thats technically an insult from past me.

If youre just gonna do re-runs, Im not going to bother.

MarthGoomba posted...

I wouldn't talk about embarrassment when you're getting real pissy about shit that doesn't matter

Route number three! Random insult instead of making a point! AND on your way to route 4, just straight up ignoring a point you didnt like about the poverty line. Youre getting through them pretty quick. How does it feel to be this predictable?

You have confused pissy with dismantling the shit youre spewing because I think its funny. A strangely common mistake for people like you who tend to go through all these same paths.

MarthGoomba posted...

Do I get the true end if I do them all

It by true end you mean you maximally embarrass yourself before you slink off because youve run out of shit to pull out of your ass, then yes.

MarthGoomba posted...

Nope. My savings have been growing at an insane rate because I don't subscribe to anything and wait for sales

Objectively I'm under the poverty line and yet I have almost 30k saved in just a few years

The poverty line is about 15,000 a year federally for a single person. (Which. Lets be real. You are.) Being generous, in California its 19,000.

So unless by a few years you mean quite a few years of saving very frugally in a cheap apartment

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b402c5de.png

BloodMoon7 posted...

I only played 2 things from that list tbh.

Sounds like game pass would be a great value for you then if you felt like giving them a try. I grabbed it to try out newer games like tales of Arise, but I only got up to the Ds so..

MarthGoomba posted...

I would play exactly 0 of those games

$0 is nothing
$200 is $200, which is actually a lot

The best part of game passes is when you want to replay a game but it's been pulled from the service so you have to buy it anyway, costing even more money

I would play 0 of those games is just you repeating yourself. We know you have a subjective opinion that a bunch of well known, well reviewed, high selling games are bad. That doesnt prove your point that its a bad value for anyone else but you.

So that's two of the routes I laid out for you that youve taken. Are we going to just do all of them?

Arcanine2009 posted...

it sucks. Though I say it feels even worse when you already go out in a couple dates and develop feelings, and it ends abruptly like that. Or longer like a long term relationship. But it's way better to not try at all.

Anyhow, dating is a numbers game. The more dates you go on, the sooner you realize and you will get used to it. It's also best to not get emotionally attached to someone early on. Take it day by day or by the week. If you also go really hard at the beginning, they will have high expectations too. Which I don't recommend. Also don't make big lies about yourself. People find out. That's my two cents.

The Fastest way to get over someone is to date other people. If you have problem getting dates, work on yourself. Your health, career/finance, social skills, self image.

Unless you are looking for hook ups, I'd stay away from it. Also, the dating apps have rigged it these days to make free versions nearly worthless. Subscriptions are pretty much required, and they do help a lot.

CMB is the app
currently have a subscription with (it's about of a glitch fest), and I'm getting more matches vs without, especially due to boost mode. But there's like 10x less people than tinder.

Ive met several long term partners on tinder. I meet a lot of people without subscriptions on pretty much all the apps. Just need to learn how to filter people.

wanderingshade posted...

The alternative is they're a horrible person, see you as a doormat and take advantage of you. So on the other hand "No" is a perfectly fine reaction.

Pretty sure that isnt the only alternative.

Frostmourne posted...

It's like your life is over after that instant NO response she gives you. Then the pain eases a little a couple hours later.

Bro you need to get rejected either more or less if it feels that bad. Its a momentary disappointment. Unless its someone youve like.. been into for a while.

MarthGoomba posted...

$200/year for access to Lawn Mowing Simulator, Nascar Heat 5, and Monster Truck Championship

What an amazing subscription full of value

Ah, so you went with just say something demonstrably untrue. A poor choice.

Lets just do a greatest hits going alphabetical until I get too lazy.

A hat in time
Absolver
Alien: Isolation
literally every single assassins creed game up to Valhalla
Bloodborne
Bugsnax
Celeste
Control (one of my favorite games of all
time, so special mention here)
Death Stranding (and Directors Cut)
Dead Cells
Dead Island
Disco Elysium
Disgaea 5
Dishonored 1+2
DOOM
Dragon Quest XI S Definitive Edition, Builders 1+2, Heroes 1+2
Dragonball Fighterz
Dragons Dogma: Dark Arisen

I am up to the Ds just doing highlights and leaving out various games out of laziness, and everyone can see how disingenuous you were being by pretending its 200 a year (which is nothing) for only three lame games you cherry-picked, even giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were using them as a representative sample. Should I keep going, or do you want to choose another route? Just shut up and slink away is still on the table.

MarthGoomba posted...

I've looked at the lists for each tier. Even their classic selection is pathetic.

Uh huh. I love how youve completely ignored that you were objectively wrong about the price, moved the goalposts to quality over quantity, and now all you can do is go well I personally think the wide variety of games, many of which were objectively well reviewed and financially successful, are bad, so there! Good job trapping yourself in this completely subjective spot.

Counterpoint: the games are good and I like l them and thus it is more than worth it for me. Equally as valid as your point that theyre trash. You now have literally no rebuttal possible other than I subjectively dont like all those games.

Will you go the just say something demonstrably untrue route, the random insult instead of making a point route, the repeat an earlier point that was already handled route, the run away and hide route (I recommend this one tbh) or the very similar pretend this post doesnt exist and keep interacting with other people like it didnt happen route?

Very excited to see what you choose. (Disclaimer: Im not actually excited youre a joke)

MarthGoomba posted...

I prefer quality over quantity

The games Sony offers in their pass is 99% trash

Source: your fucking ass.

Sorry you have bad taste and hate a surprisingly huge variety of games. Although I doubt you even know whats in the pass. I feel like you are thinking about the three monthly games for the basic tier and just like have no idea what youre talking about.

ryudo500 posted...

I know its the sane thing to do but I got 1-2 more texts I just want to know what happened really or something i did or said

bruh you did not listen to me at all.

MarthGoomba posted...

I don't even buy a $50 game every 3 months.

So what you actually mean is its cheaper to barely buy any videogames than it is to use a pass to play videogames.

did you know if you buy ZERO videogames its $0 dollars a year?

Did you also know I had you tagged as troll who cant back up their points? I dont even know why or when I did that, lmao. (In shorthand of course.) But you sure are making a good case for keeping it.

So you're spending even more on top of your already expensive subscription.

Terrible value, and Sony thanks you for falling for it.

I mean. Its literally not a terrible value. Im paying less than the normal cost of the games I play through the pass, and then I pay for other games I would have bought whether or not the pass exists. Are you okay?

Its like I bought cheap candy the day after Valentines Day, snuck it into the movie theater, bought a tub of popcorn, and you go youre buying extra candy on top of the expensive popcorn prices? Terrible value. Uh

MarthGoomba posted...

Buying the games you actually want on PC is cheaper instead of playing whatever junk Sony decides for you

I literally just proved to you that unless you buy less than one game a month at 50 dollars (which is low for new non-indie games even on PC), its not cheaper. Are you arguing with basic math now?

If theres a game I want that isnt on premium Ill buy it. Just like Id have to on PC. And then Ill also play a ton of other games, a lot of which Ive loved. Im literally playing Tales of Arise right now on Ps Plus Premium (along with several other games such as Trials of Mana and Sifu) and its rad. Ive also discovered other games I wouldnt have played otherwise. I tried Tinykin and it was frankly a delightful little platformer collect-athon mixed with Pikmin.

God youre one of those PC is better than console everyone convert or Ill never shut up people, huh.

Edit: oh damn just noticed they added Midnight Suns and Resident Evil 3 remake

name_unknown posted...

It's a goddamn pillow it offers nothing but assistance for sleeping. Over priced my pillow is less 100, 2500 for cloth and feathers. Make better decisions.

Bro what the literal fuck are you talking about?

MarthGoomba posted...

Premium adds up to over $1000 in just 5 years

@MarthGoomba

And? I buy and play a lot of videogames. Guess how much it costs if you buy ONE (1) 50 dollar game a month for 5 years? $3000 dollars. I have already played more than 12 games using premium.

Welcome to counting money over years instead of months. the numbers looks scary.

MarthGoomba posted...

Only $2500, which I can afford despite being a low income part timer because I don't pay into BS scams like console subscriptions

I am fucking dying laughing right now my guy. That is legitimately hilarious.

meanwhile Ive paid like 30 dollars for my sub on PS5 since I got it and played 300+ dollars worth of games. in 20 months if I never play another game on PS Plus itll stop paying for itself I guess.

MarthGoomba posted...

$90 for the Demon's Souls remaster. Basically a tech demo painted over dated PS3 gameplay. Should be $25, maybe $15 on sale.

$93.49 for FF7 Rebirth, which is only 1/3rd of the game. $40 would be somewhat reasonable.

$90 for a freakin' VISUAL NOVEL on the Switch

And controllers being $100 each now when they aren't even good

Video games used to be a cheap hobby

Video games have never been a cheap hobby, ever. You just did not have to pay for them yourself when you were younger, and you dont understand inflation. Given inflation, games actually cost less now than they ever have.

Some jerk reported me saying Nazis are bad and some mod moderated it as if I was insulting the person I quoted, despite the fact I was only speaking about the Republican Party, so I got warned for two days. Absolutely no rule breaking happened, but someone got salty I called out republicans for supporting Nazis. Sure do love this website.

Essentially got modded for abuse/harassment for answering the topic question with yes. Classic.

Naysaspace posted...

you're insulting the person. that is by definition ad hominem.

It quite literally isnt. You didnt have to double down and make yourself look silly.

This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. Note the words instead of. And someones argument or position.

There was no argument or position to address. They literally just feigned ignorance of how vaccines work, with no actual point, which I then pointed out was ignorance.

Similarly, if you address someones position or argument AND insult them? Still not ad hominem. Because then it isnt INSTEAD OF. Every insult is not ad hominem. You just dont know what the term means.

finally: saying someone does not know a thing they are actively demonstrating they dont know isnt an insult. Please learn what words mean.

Sufferedphoenix posted...

.yeah maybe under Trump.

There is currently no such thing as a Republican Party that isnt under Trump.