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Yeah it's cringe when every YouTuber considers themselves a body language expert and talks in such arrogant absolutes

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Apology accepted

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CE gonna CE today it looks like.

1. INFORMALBRITISH
2. used ironically to express that something is not surprising or upsetting.
3. "they got drunkshock horror!"

HashtagSEP posted...

Sure, Jan.

I don't actually know how to prove you to I'm not this dudes alt. all I can say is 'please believe me"

Like I'm actually trying to take accountability for the way I posted and typical CE thinks it means I'm looking for a fight

HashtagSEP posted...

You said, and I quote:

Implying you were the one that said it. So, uh...?

I'm conscious of the fact me and this other dude had the same view and aware others might see that too?

HashtagSEP posted...

Did halo literally forget to switch alts there, and once caught, went from "I hope people don't hate me" to "I was right to hate this place?"

Mad take bro. You're a detective

lolife67 posted...

Yes. Yes they did lol

Okay this is ridiculous now. Me and this dude aren't alts, I just defended him(shock, horror) because I can see where he's coming from

I'll make it a little simpler for you this time since it went over your head before. You're literally delusional if you truly think otherwise.

lolife67 posted...

How so? The post you responded to was addressing someone else. Asking if you're their alt is perfectly reasonable. But now I'm starting to believe it since you like playing victim as much as the other poster.

Keep going down the alt path. The level of delusion is making me feel better about myself

Absolute fucked up video btw. That ridiculous edge lord quote when he was first caught is just damn

Sufferedphoenix posted...

Probably seen enough in his line of work to develope a morbid sense of humor. It's how people who see fucked up shit all the time cope.

Yeah. Nurses do this too. You see the world different after you've seen a lot of dead bodies

lolife67 posted...

Did you forget to change accounts?

You can't be serious? You brought it up and made it central to your point. Me asking for examples then pointing out your lack of any is telling isn't me being childish.

You are so needlessly combative.

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Not everyone carefully calculates their posts dude

I treat this place like the group chat with my mates and say whatever comes to my head, assuming everyone knows I don't have horrible intentions. it's to generate discussion, not to get into a fight.

My fault for assuming people I don't know would be cool with that style of communication though. Everyone has their own style

Also, this makes the whole "Diddy ordered Pac killed" seem a lot less tinfoil hat at first glance

How much time does this likely buy him?

Oh and fwiw(might make at least one person empathise a bit) I was very stoned at 2am last night when making these posts

TMOG posted...

You entered the topic as a self-described "history nerd" and then displayed an ignorance of how many black cowboys there were in the Old West so you could say Red Dead Redemption 2 was unrealistic and inaccurate because white people were friends with black people and not universally antagonistic towards them

And then you ignored it when people pointed out the actual demographic numbers of black cowboys in that time and that they held all kinds of positions in society, including some very respected ones

So you can stop talking about how you're just trying to advocate for "historical accuracy" by wanting RDR2 to be more racist

Read post 140 of mine I guess to cover my response to most of that. Even the black cowboy gang I learnt about, the Rufus gang, appeared to have no white people in it.

As for the part about me ignoring posts, I was trying to respond to multiple users jumping down my throat at once. Wasn't cherry picking the easy posts

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Thank you, it was 2am my time(Sydney) last night when I made my first post so I probably wasn't as tactful as I could have been when discussing an issue involving race

StealThisSheen posted...

Yeah I think it'd be wise to just back away from the topic for awhile.

Will do. Just wanted everyone to not hate me before I did

StealThisSheen posted...

...So, were you playing devil's advocate, or not? Because the entire point of playing devil's advocate is, you know, taking a contentious viewpoint to provoke people. Why would you not expect hostility on a subject like this, when it basically sounded like you were arguing not just against diversity, but in favor of MORE racism?

I was trying to generate discussion on something that always struck me as jingoistic. I even said in my first post the need to have representation outweighs exact historical accuracy

Edit - jingoistic the complete wrong word.

Okay so I'll just try to clear up a minor point before everyone thinks I'm a stupid racist

I didn't think black people didn't exist in the old west, I just was sceptical of a mixed race gang where everyone peacefully coexisted

Look at the movie Lincoln for an example of a film that tackles it right IMO

StealThisSheen posted...

You literally chose to play devil's advocate against diversity with some of the most questionable posts in the topic. Not sure what you expected, really.

Less hostility.

No concept of devils advocate on this board

StealThisSheen posted...

...Wow. Never thought I'd see somebody so against diversity that a group of all white guys with different backgrounds was still too much for them.

What a cheeky misinterpretation of what I was trying to say. It felt cliche

DnDer posted...

The further away you are from systemic and institutional structures that would reinforce cultural norms, the more likely you are to experience and develop your own in a way that may run contrary to what's commonly accepted.

And, in that era, there was no place further away from society than out on the range doing cowboy stuff. That's almost the point of the entire Western genre.

Thank you for the only answer that didn't feel snarky

Zonbei posted...

Your explanation did not change anything I said.

It didn't make you look at things slighty differently? Fuck me you're stubborn

Zonbei posted...

Seems like youre hung up on an ex being shitty to you. Not sure what that has to do with basically anything else going on in this topic.

I found your posts pretty damn rude and accusatory and felt the need to explain myself tbh

TMOG posted...

I already posted my sources. Go back a page and click on them.

Yes boss.

TMOG posted...

So you completely skip over my post showing sources about how black cowboys made up anywhere between 1/4 to 1/3 of all cowboys (both outlaws and lawmen) and instead choose to reply to one where you can complain that the game wasn't racist enough towards black people

Interesting

Was it interracial gangs or black gangs and white gangs?

I know the James Gang and Billy the Kid's crew were mainly white

I can already tell you're assigning an opinion to me I don't have btw

Dungeater posted...

???

marginalized groups banding together for safety in numbers and common experiences, and lashing out at the society that kicks and takes advantage of them

....

is unrealistic?

I can't see how half the gang were marginalised though? Marston, Dutch, Arthur and Bill were white dudes who rob and kill people

They would be likely be racist people IRL and I guess I think it downplays what the era was like to show a happy smiling "we believe in equality" style criminal gang.

It was a racist time, show that. Make the characters flawed

What did we think of the diversity within the gang of RDR2?

Just using this as an example. As a history nerd I just couldn't wrap my head around a 19th century cowboy gang just "not seeing colour" like that and having a bunch of black guys in their gang. It didn't feel realistic.

Now does that overpower the need to give representation to various races because they don't feature enough generally in media? Probably not.

This absolutely can compromise the quality if hamfisted

Even Saving Private Ryan back in the day I thought seemed a little too evenly distributed with it's stereotypes, the Bronx Italian, the Jewish one, the religious hick etc

Zonbei posted...

Where is this individual being blamed for anything? White people who dont bother to make efforts to help push back against systemic racism ARE at fault. Everyone that doesnt apply to? They arent getting blamed for shit. You know that evil virtue signaling everyone is always yelling about? The people doing that (I.e being allies) are the ones not getting blamed.

attributing social inequality to some nebulous and specific villains is part of the problem. The problem is white people who continue to perpetuate the systemic inequality. If that doesnt apply to you, you arent part of the problem and you dont need to fucking whine about the ones who are being called out.

Did you read the rest of my posts?

Tbh dude I was very, very tactful and careful with what I said around her. I was also pretty healthy in my approach to her being indian, making sure not to completey ignore it and risk coming across as "I don't see colour" or talk about it too much and risk fetishising her(I find indian women beautiful so this was a genuine concern lol)

And it was more about realising she didn't have to/want to give me the same respect.

BloodMoon7 posted...

How IS your spice tolerance level tho? Nothing wrong with only up to habanero, that's around where I am.

I'm okay, I can handle medium level spice on occasion

She was indian and the food I couldn't handle was beef vindaloo, which is one of the hotter curries. I actually loved the flavour I just couldn't have more than 3 bites without dying

Yeah let me just reiterate it was more about feeling verbally handcuffed and realising some things between us were only acceptable if she did it, more than any horror over the spice remark in isolation

Zonbei posted...

It is lame as fuck getting on this soapbox. You live a privileged life and have to feel mildly uncomfortable when people say things rooted in truth. Oh wow you dated one (1) POC and they said you cant handle spicy food and you had to STIFLE NEGATIVE FEELINGS? (Which is already like.. come on dude.)

You know what black people are fed up with? Actual oppression. Being shot and murdered. Being ignored by doctors and treated like lesser beings. Constant, endless racism. Being paid less. Voter suppression. Yall will survive someone making fun of white people tacos on Twitter.

of course if I say anything about the fragility of any particular group here Ill get ten more of you complaining about being oppressed.

Tbf it was right before we broke up when she started doing it and it was a very obvious realisation that she suddenly respected me a lot less. So a bit more complicated than I'd maybe made it seem

Also when you say it's about things rooted in truth, that has nothing to do with it. I've noticed observations about certain cultures and how they consistently act in business transactions but would I ever be allowed to so much as hint at without getting torn to shreds?

All the other stuff, fuck dude I live in Australia. Our cops do a lot less murder

Zonbei posted...

Making fun of white people and saying white people shit and so on is such a huge part of several non-white cultures in America that its insane so many people are acting like shes racist for any of these tweets. Im not going to get into a whole thing about punching up, punching down, and systems of power and oppression, but Ive been rolling my eyes through this whole thing.

And I guess people are fed up with having to put up with it with a smile because we deserve it or whatever

I've dated a POC, sat through "oh white people" style comments(with this girl specifically it was about my inability to handle spicy food) and just tried to stifle any instinctive negative emotions felt by it

It feels lame as fuck getting on this soapbox, I'm fully aware I live a privileged life, but racial prejudice is racial prejudice

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Okay, sorry. I've probably misdirected some anger at you here.

My huge pet peeve on this board is people thinking they know the "true meaning" behind someone's posts, "this actually means you think this" etc which is just so arrogant.

I am not normally one to be a hypocrite, so I apologise.

CSCA33 posted...

Why do you think mansplaining is bullshit?

I think all people, regardless of gender are able to take a condescending/patronising position and come across as a "mansplainer"

In my personal experience, as a shy and introverted person, I'm usually the one feeling like I'm being lectured about something I already know. I get put in a box by people. Including by girls.

Therefore, for this phenomenon to have a name that implies it's only man who do it naturally annoys me because it's not my reality

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You remind me of my sister when I was trying to make her chill out a bit when she would talk about mansplaining and manspreading non stop years ago. Of course with age she's relaxed a bit.

She said things like "if it's not about you then don't get annoyed"

I'm sorry but I'm allowed to call out bullshit

hockeybabe89 posted...

So everyone in these topics is routinely posting outrage in topics discussing all kinds of racism? And they definitely never say "Who cares what random people post on Twitter. It's just some opinion you can ignore"? They are always extremely passionate about anti-racism and they never make excuses or give anyone the benefit of the doubt?

You all don't give a rat's fucking ass about racism. You give a shit that you found a racist within a boogeyman company that you're upset is putting woke in your video games. As if all the bullshit worthless takes constantly crying about the big scary wokes are somehow valid because of it.

You don't know me.

McMarbles posted...

Because it is.
You can tell by all these people suddenly very concerned about racism when its from a black woman, but before that, crickets.

Are these comments actually serious? Do we all have to show receipts of us being non racist before today to prove we have good intentions calling out this woman?

Not everything is a bloody dog whistle and not everything is bi partisan

_____Cait posted...

And Space X too right

Well they're not government funded but sure I absolutely would love it if Musk donated his whole net worth towards UBI

Roads are useful too.

Probably some random modern ghost recon game

Definitely nothing by Bethesda or Rockstar, love them all generally

Edit - Far Cry 4. Found it got old fast

Torgo posted...

Why take money away from NASA of all places?

That's the odd part that drew attention.

Dunno, I guess I know little about NASA beyond their desire to push the final frontier. and while I view it as highly interesting(see my username for my opinion on outer space), I think we should fully focus on fixing earth before worrying about Mars

Chill guys, I meant it more in like a "space travel is a luxury compared to real issues" type way I guess. Definitely not anti Vax or anti science, work in the health field!

Take money away from NASA and all non essential military shit just for a few months. Should cover it