Lurker > EDumey

Lopen you are being dense.

Sorry, that's not just a personal attack. I think you're just not sieving through the information clearly right now.

Thanks buddy, that means a lot. I'm going to go to DTC and laugh at whatever happened D1, and you will have to wait even longer. Who's the real winner now?

Me dying is partly a direct result of letting myself not pair up earlier, because I thought I could have some value having agency in the final 5 as town. Should have just paired earlier.

yeah, i think they're both town. like i said, there's a CHANCE that it's exactly Kirby/Ulti. But I'd ask you to not tunnel on that tomorrow if you can. Make town pair early so we can pressure MZero properly before he leaves for the day.

hi lopen

Lopen posted...

Dumey how do you continue playing the game if allowed to live

the same way i have been. uselessly tunneling on sultan and hopefully help town not let themselves get into these situation again.

as the number of players goes down, making sure we get really good town/town pairs at the front so players like isquen and mzero aren't carried across the finish line are important.

No I'm town. I could have sniped the date if I wanted to. But it's not the best play. Good luck tomorrow.

cuz you deserve to suffer :)

hi corrik. welcome back.

I'm here. I've made my case and am just awaiting my judgement.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Anyone suggesting triple kill should be single killed on general principle.

what if i'm already being single killed. can i have fun then? :(

By all means, if Corrik is still alive, lynch him and confirm his info. Not today though.

Remember that Corrik either catches scum with his scan, or gets TWO confirmed town. That's an insane value proposition for scum to just let go for a possible mislynch.

lmao I knew FD would be angy about this development.

Isquen, Corrik resolves himself. Even if he's scum, we don't kill him today. If he's town and scum wants to gambit letting him live and get a scan off, then we play ball with that. If he's scum, there's no way he makes it to endgame. There's zero chance we lynch him before letting him get his scan off.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

You just listed 6 out of 11 remaining people this isn't good for us..

If lopen were to flip however I think it has to be

Isquen/Lopen or
Lopen/Ulti and Lopen has been bussing Ulit

Exclusive or Sultan.

But also yes, the point against Triple Kill is that even if we miss all three, the PoE is too wide to ensure killing scum tomorrow.

Is that a misspeak Isquen? You want the Backup Cop that's almost assuredly getting shot tonight in the triple kill?

Corrik, my last appeal to you. Lynch Kirby. It helps clean up Lopen/Ulti/Kirby so we can focus on other PoE tomorrow.

Everyone else if Corrik distrusts me and I'm lynched, don't get stuck in this situation again by retreading the same ground. Almost no one actually pushed for me to be lynched this game except people with healthy paranoia keeping me in PoE like Lea, Chris, Corrik, FD. Lopen and Isquen were the only ones actually pushing for me. Isquen only started doing it vocally after getting together with Lopen. Final scum is probably in Isquen/Sultan/MZero/Lopen, or exactly Ulti+Kirby.

No need to bring in outside drama guys. Chill.

Kirby321 posted...

Triple kill is stupid
Stop being stubborn and trying to outwit the game mechanics

okay but also consider what about having fun?

i remember one of the earlier games I played here was Ulti Super Smash Bros mafia and I helped support an Atomic Bomb play that went terribly. Still remember it to this day because of fun. :P

I'm down for it. Just have to remember that if we hit all 3 town here, you guys have to randomly shoot into MZero/Isquen basically and pray that you're right.

Don't let scum try and train Ulti once all three of us are gone. I will give Ulti my 100% town clear if all three of Me/Kirby/Lopen are town.

I know it's bad play, but I will support a meme kill if having more control of the deaths helps us solve in the future.

Lopen posted...

Eh

More this goes on its probably Dumey x Kirby.

Dumey not being at all concerned that Kirby is scum right now and still calling him 95% town is unnerving a bit

There is no town thought process that makes sense here for Kirby

If it were up to me, Kirby wouldn't be the one on the table right now. It would be Sultan. But I don't get my way this game, clearly.

EDumey posted...

My opinion hasn't changed that much from before. I think Kirby is probably like 95% town. But admittedly, Kirby has TWO end of day scenario's pointing against him.

D1. I know I'm town and Peaf left my date to hang himself up. Could have been a solo play by Peaf, or an attempt to save Kirby.
D2. I know I'm town and Ulti gave his life to me, and urged me to dump him to save Red, before Kirby took the Red date. There was a chance Kirby gets killed there. I talked about this with Lopen earlier, and I think there is a universe where exactly Ulti + Kirby explains motivation here. Otherwise Ulti is town.

So basically I think scum is exactly Ulti + Kirby, or both are probably town.

Corrik7 posted...

Is there any scenario where a town Kirby wouldn't do exactly the same?

I'm not sure I understand your question. Yeah, Town Kirby could have acted the same in both situations. Just explained by FAFO Peaf and Town Ulti.

I guess my argument is that in MY head, lynching Kirby kind of clears Ulti in my mind, so we can focus on the rest of the PoE. But other people may not agree that Ulti's EoD2 play requires a scum Kirby there.

Corrik7 posted...

Edumey, do you think Kirby is scum? If so, why?

Kirby do you think edumey is scum? If so why?

My opinion hasn't changed that much from before. I think Kirby is probably like 95% town. But admittedly, Kirby has TWO end of day scenario's pointing against him.

D1. I know I'm town and Peaf left my date to hang himself up. Could have been a solo play by Peaf, or an attempt to save Kirby.
D2. I know I'm town and Ulti gave his life to me, and urged me to dump him to save Red, before Kirby took the Red date. There was a chance Kirby gets killed there. I talked about this with Lopen earlier, and I think there is a universe where exactly Ulti + Kirby explains motivation here. Otherwise Ulti is town.

So basically I think scum is exactly Ulti + Kirby, or both are probably town.

Yeah. My death will probably also provide fire against Isquen, since he was so confidently arrogant about his reads earlier. He was unfortunately wrong about me, but at least he shouldn't get an easy ride to EoD after my flip.

The problem is we've still got a wide PoE.
Corrik is going to die.
Chris is going to confirm that FD doesn't move, but that means nothing with FD knowing he's being slept with.
Lopen/Ulti/Kirby still unresolved.
MZero and Isquen will be under suspicion.
Sultan still suspicious.

My advice for town is to have Lopen ignore Kirby tomorrow, take a shot in MZero/Isquen/Sultan. I think Lopen's insistence on trying to "Resolve" D1 was a huge red herring this game that made it harder to solve.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Maybe if you showed up before the final 4 hours we could have worked together on that -_-

Or if you bothered to pay attention to the game mechanics and found your own self a date early on we could have put MZero in a position where he was running out of dating options. But for yet another day you have completely put off the fundamental game mechanic until the very end of the day and the only person who could have possibly been killed by the 12-hour rule would have been you.

Surprisingly, maybe Red had the right approach of going, "I'm not going to be around most of the day, so someone claim me so I don't affect EoD." lmao.

Man I rose a big stink about strategizing around MZero D2 and no one really acknowledged it.

EDumey posted...

MZero is gone for the day, and Isquen is saved by virtue of being paired with him.
Ulti has declared his intent to save Sultan no matter what today.
Chris is going to be saved today because his role is confirmable.

Our options are everyone else who remains.

Lopen posted...

I'm not breaking up sorry

FD and Chris obviously shouldn't

And them's the breaks.

Corrik7 posted...

How about every breaks up.

MZero is gone for the day, and Isquen is saved by virtue of being paired with him.
Ulti has declared his intent to save Sultan no matter what today.
Chris is going to be saved today because his role is confirmable.

Our options are everyone else who remains.

I will say if Kirby, Ulti, and Sultan are all town, then Lopen is probably scum. I'm not confident enough to say all three of those are town, which is why I haven't been pushing for Lopen much on my own. But it is something to consider.

In this position it's hard for me to justify trying to kill another Vanilla over me, unless we think we get more info out of someone else. I feel like killing me only really shows that it was never a Peaf/Dumey scum pair, which just leads Lopen to continue insisting that Peaf must have left to save Kirby afterall.

Lopen once I flip, take my insistence that I totally think Peaf could have just acted on his own to FAFO.

Also I still think Sultan should be considered on the table. I think a lot of people agree with me, but there's definitely enough room in the setup for him to have some non-moving role and not submit the night kill. Chris' scan shouldn't be a complete green check on him. I've never seen Sultan play the way he did this game. Even when he's gotten pressure in other games, I've always seen Sultan just kind of shrug it off. Maybe other outside things got him stressed this game, but all I can do is read what I see.

I wouldn't be THAT annoying to talk to at night!

oh. hi corrik.

The only way Corrik dies today is if he refuses to date anyone else.

oh so NOW i need the /jk, huh!?

Kirby you ready to do something legendary?

Lopen posted...

Dumey they're abundantly clear who do you think he thinks are the scum if both he and I are town

uhhhh

I know Kirby has been very consistently on the Sultan train with me. Earlier Kirby said he was warming up to Lopen as scum following the Sultan/Ulti player read on you, but IIRC Kirby said it probably wasn't both Sultan and Lopen.

Then it was PoE hunting after that. Probably Ulti or Isquen.

where is unofficial votals boy death when we need him

Then yeah, unless MZero who won't show up again today has a surprise for us, we have all town claimed as vanillas.

1. Enchantress (Lea) - Miller
2. Mzero - ?
3. Lopen - Vanilla (implied but not hard claimed?)
4. Chaeix (JC) - Vanilla
5. Isquen - ?
6. FD - ?
7. Ulti - Vanilla
8. Dumey - Vanilla
9. Peaf - SCUM Vanilla Scanner
10. Corrik - Backup Cop
11. Red - Cop
12. Sultan - Vanilla
13. Kirby - Vanilla
14. Sir Chris - Prosty
15. Death - Bodyguard

Not sure if Isquen claimed somewhere or not. I think that's it though.

My lack of creativity, my bad.

I tried to bluff to Ulti last night that I was holding onto my claim just in case possibility of affecting night actions, lol. I think it was probably a toothless attempt even if Ulti is scum.

I am Charlotte Regan. TOWN Vanilla.

If anything, I gave Ulti the silent treatment the first half of our date. Oops.

Chaeix posted...

Im happy to date you again but I think wed get more out of chatting with others

I agree.

JC I do have a date extended to you from earlier, but no need to take it right now and lock us in if you're going to be on for deadline.

lol

I know you secretly are okay with me dying to resolve your paranoia, but I forgive you Lopen.

I don't think I can breakup Mzero like that haha. But yes I think the date offer is still valid. We'll probably just judge based off of Chang's votals. But if you're safe with Isquen, no harm done.

MZero extend a date to me and I'll only take it if Isquen for some reason doesn't want to.

I guess we should all just stop talking so we don't annoy Isquen guys.